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02-03-2012, 10:21 PM
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Dump and chase is not an effective PP strategy.

They need to find a way to open things up on the carry in to allow...a carry in. Then, move the puck. They just stand there and make bouncing/off the mark passes that either result in a broken play or a clear. They're thinking too much, especially Richards. K.I.S.S. That should be plastered in the room.
If they can't make passes standing still how do you expect them to make passes while moving. That is why they stand still. It doesn't get more KISS than that and yet they still have trouble.

Their passing and skating abilty is average at best, even with Richards. They are unable to move the puck around opponents or to a teammate in a timely manner. Since they can't move around anyone and they can't move the puck fast enough to each other, they can't open any lanes. Teams just pressure the puck carrier causing the turn over.

It's the same reason they can't execute on an oddman rush. It's a skill issue more than anything IMO.

I don't think Torts helps any when he putting Rupp or Prust or Boyle out on the PP. Let the more skilled players work through it. You not scoring anyway so what do you have to lose.


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02-03-2012, 11:32 PM
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The PP team should get out there, forget about that stupid box structure they seem to adhere to, and play a bit of pond hockey with each other. Loosen up, get creative. Be unpredictable buzz-saws, zooming around. Throw a set play into the confusion and see what happens.

Watching the PP, it looks stunted. Weird how they don't just go freelance, which is what they should do. Forget about all this structure crap, just keep guys back so they are ready if the puck is coughed up. Have some fun. Any puck control the Rangers show on the PP might sound good if measured by time, but it doesn't mean anything in terms of dangerous chances. Cycling the puck on the periphery shouldn't go on forever. Don't forget that the reason to do that hard work on the boards is so that you get it up to someone waiting in the high slot or the point who is ready to hammer it.
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02-04-2012, 12:11 AM
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The PP team should get out there, forget about that stupid box structure they seem to adhere to, and play a bit of pond hockey with each other. Loosen up, get creative. Be unpredictable buzz-saws, zooming around. Throw a set play into the confusion and see what happens.

Watching the PP, it looks stunted. Weird how they don't just go freelance, which is what they should do. Forget about all this structure crap, just keep guys back so they are ready if the puck is coughed up. Have some fun. Any puck control the Rangers show on the PP might sound good if measured by time, but it doesn't mean anything in terms of dangerous chances. Cycling the puck on the periphery shouldn't go on forever. Don't forget that the reason to do that hard work on the boards is so that you get it up to someone waiting in the high slot or the point who is ready to hammer it.
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This is a great post..agree with everything. Maybe at least try it when they have a lead..loosen up and have some fun. If it works, it will teach creativity and give confidence.
Even though it was a "just for fun" allstar game, watching Gabby's passing with other talent was a joy to watch!

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02-04-2012, 01:51 AM
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If they can't make passes standing still how do you expect them to make passes while moving. That is why they stand still. It doesn't get more KISS than that and yet they still have trouble.

Their passing and skating abilty is average at best, even with Richards. They are unable to move the puck around opponents or to a teammate in a timely manner. Since they can't move around anyone and they can't move the puck fast enough to each other, they can't open any lanes. Teams just pressure the puck carrier causing the turn over.

It's the same reason they can't execute on an oddman rush. It's a skill issue more than anything IMO.

I don't think Torts helps any when he putting Rupp or Prust or Boyle out on the PP. Let the more skilled players work through it. You not scoring anyway so what do you have to lose.
exactly. they don't know how to handle passes with urgency. they get the pass and let it hit their stick and they lose it. torts needs to pull a gordon bombay and have them pass eggs around.

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02-06-2012, 04:37 AM
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It was interesting to study Philly's PP. Its set up SOLELY around Giroux AND Timmonens ability to play keep away with the puck around the perimeter of the attacking zone. A RH playmaker on the right side and a left handed PPQB. That, or the opposite, is what every good PP is built around these days. You force the box to commit on one side, than takes a shot from the other side and get three players going to the net trying to get a advantage when it comes to picking up a rebound.

ALL of our sticks on the PP, if we put our best guys on it, is pointing in the wrong direction. AND, Gabby do NOT have the ability to play that keep away style. If Richards pass the puck to Gabby, the PK box can be sure that they won't have to worry about a shot from the left side. If Timmonen pass the puck to Giroux on the left side, in a blink of an eye, a shot can come from the right side. The reason our PP sucks is that i) we don't have a playmate for Richards and ii) we don't have a RH shot from the blueline to play Richards with. It is as simple as that.

As teams improves and the game evolves it is becoming more and more about science and mathematics. Its definitely a trend in many fields of the game today that you really need to explore those options that it is impossible to defend against. Put the puck on the net, and a defending team can never take away all options. It can deflect, or the rebound can end up in the absolute worst imaginable position. It the same with the PP. Force the box to commit on one side, than take a shot from the other side. Hope to get the rebound.

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02-08-2012, 12:36 AM
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THIS is the PP problem:

Powerplay is miserable. Putting Cally stationary in front of the goalie forfeits the entire value of the man advantage because it then becomes a 4 on 4 with Cally as a screen. Because he's not a legitimate passing option, the defenders don't have to worry about him unless a shot actually gets through, which is rare when they can easily defend the perimeter 4 on 4. How am I the only one seeing this?

Good powerplays dont just set a guy up in front permanently. They constantly have different guys sliding through the slot as the puck and other players move. This is called OPENING UP LANES 101. It's not about being in front of the net. It's about when you arrive there. Shanahan said this. Wake up, Torts, Sully, Cally, Rangers. This is so easily fixable.

It neds to be addressed. How are we not watching tape of Detroit and Pittsburgh and Chicago and emulating their powerplay movements and themes??

It's not about adding a player with a booming shot. That'd be nice. 25-30 teams would like to add that, along with a cheap playmaker like Ray Whitney. These things are not coming to Broadway and we don't NEED them. We need a paradigm shift with regard to how the Powerplay should function.

Movement: Three-fold: the players without the puck, the player with the puck, and the puck itself.

Confusing the defender by switching / cross-crossing right through the lane he's trying to protect.

Less HESITATION followed by weak little wristers.

More BLASTING the puck with authority.

LESS shooting it around the backboards on the PP. It's a phucking Powerplay! We shouldn't have to work so hard to possess the puck when we have an extra guy, but alas, when Cally is just PARKED in front of the net, it's essentially a 4 on 4 and then Cally and the opposing goalie having a cup of tea.

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02-08-2012, 12:47 AM
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It's all movement and just shooting the damn puck.

There was one time on the PP tonight where there were 4 guys on the same side bunched together.

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The problem with the powerplay is that Sean Avery is not on it. If called up, he would instantly make this a top-10 powerplay.

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Powerplay is miserable. Putting Cally stationary in front of the goalie forfeits the entire value of the man advantage because it then becomes a 4 on 4 with Cally as a screen. Because he's not a legitimate passing option, the defenders don't have to worry about him unless a shot actually gets through, which is rare when they can easily defend the perimeter 4 on 4. How am I the only one seeing this?

Good powerplays dont just set a guy up in front permanently. They constantly have different guys sliding through the slot as the puck and other players move. This is called OPENING UP LANES 101. It's not about being in front of the net. It's about when you arrive there. Shanahan said this. Wake up, Torts, Sully, Cally, Rangers. This is so easily fixable.


Have you ever seen Detroit's power play, dude?

They've had one of the best power plays in the league for the last 15 years. You know why? Because Holmstrom stands in front and screens the goalie.

In today's NHL, if a goalie can see the shot he's going to stop it 95 times out of 100.

You have to screen goalies and take away their ability to see the puck to score today.

You couldn't be more wrong in your assessment, I am sorry. A player in front of the net on the PP is an ABSOLUTE MUST.

Holmstrom and Ryan Smyth have made CAREERS out of this.

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02-08-2012, 07:08 AM
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Some teams who have forwards and A D man who know what they are doing put 2 guys in front the net

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Great post.
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Powerplay is miserable. Putting Cally stationary in front of the goalie forfeits the entire value of the man advantage because it then becomes a 4 on 4 with Cally as a screen. Because he's not a legitimate passing option, the defenders don't have to worry about him unless a shot actually gets through, which is rare when they can easily defend the perimeter 4 on 4. How am I the only one seeing this?

Good powerplays dont just set a guy up in front permanently. They constantly have different guys sliding through the slot as the puck and other players move. This is called OPENING UP LANES 101. It's not about being in front of the net. It's about when you arrive there. Shanahan said this. Wake up, Torts, Sully, Cally, Rangers. This is so easily fixable.

It neds to be addressed. How are we not watching tape of Detroit and Pittsburgh and Chicago and emulating their powerplay movements and themes??

It's not about adding a player with a booming shot. That'd be nice. 25-30 teams would like to add that, along with a cheap playmaker like Ray Whitney. These things are not coming to Broadway and we don't NEED them. We need a paradigm shift with regard to how the Powerplay should function.

Movement: Three-fold: the players without the puck, the player with the puck, and the puck itself.

Confusing the defender by switching / cross-crossing right through the lane he's trying to protect.

Less HESITATION followed by weak little wristers.

More BLASTING the puck with authority.

LESS shooting it around the backboards on the PP. It's a phucking Powerplay! We shouldn't have to work so hard to possess the puck when we have an extra guy, but alas, when Cally is just PARKED in front of the net, it's essentially a 4 on 4 and then Cally and the opposing goalie having a cup of tea.

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The Rangers are a north-south team. They clearly look out of their comfort zone when they're asked to skate the puck into the zone and set up a play.

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Have you ever seen Detroit's power play, dude?

They've had one of the best power plays in the league for the last 15 years. You know why? Because Holmstrom stands in front and screens the goalie.

In today's NHL, if a goalie can see the shot he's going to stop it 95 times out of 100.

You have to screen goalies and take away their ability to see the puck to score today.

You couldn't be more wrong in your assessment, I am sorry. A player in front of the net on the PP is an ABSOLUTE MUST. .

Holmstrom and Ryan Smyth have made CAREERS out of this.
Holmstrom is the exception to the rule, and even he doesn't always just stand there. Watch the Wings play tonight. When the puck goes back to an open point man, you're damn right he's going to be battling to establish his rear-end in front, but when the puck is off to the sides, he slides out of the crease and swings back and forth through the slot. Ryan Smyth is the same way. My assessment is not inaccurate in the least. You're making it seem like I don't want a guy there. I just don't want him there from the second we enter the zone until we lose possession and the other team clears it. He needs to arrive at the right moment (WHEN THE PUCK IS ABOUT TO GET THERE TOO, perhaps?!). What a concept.

And as to the goalie being screened...really? What's easier for Brodeur? Peering around the same one guy who's just standing there the whole time or having to keep swiveling his head and keeping an eye on the multiple guys who keep sliding and revolving through the slot / front of the net?

Still waiting for you to refute my argument that it negates the entire advantage because it breaks down to 4 on 4 plus Brodeur vs Cally. (using last night as an example to be clear)

All the good Powerplay teams have multiple guys swinging through the slot; not just a stationary pilot in front the entire time hoping the other four guys can beat four defenders cleanly enough to get a quality shot through.


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02-08-2012, 08:38 AM
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The Rangers are a north-south team. They clearly look out of their comfort zone when they're asked to skate the puck into the zone and set up a play.
Yep. That's the problem you run into when you assemble this kind of squad. There's minimal creativity among the guys on the ice, and a PP devoid of creativity is an easy one to defend.

That being said, I'd LOVE to sit in on a practice to see what the hell the coaches are showing them.

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