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02-08-2012, 11:24 AM
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by your logic, Bob can't be an elite goalie. more reason to stick with Bryz, and see if he continues his obvious improvement since the WC

Not even close. Bob is a sophomore and still learning. Bryz is supposed to be a proven goalie and he's 31. That's my logic and the reason they get paid differently.

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The O recorded 45 fricken shots. How is that an O problem?
ummmmmmm, ZERO goals = offense at fault. period.

nobody cuts Bryz slack when he gets a SHUTOUT, they focus on 'should have also stopped every shot in the shootout'

so, i'm not gonna give the offense slack for 45 SOG.

'they should have scored ONE goal & we win'

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Bob is a sophomore and still learning. Bryz is supposed to be a proven goalie and he's 31.
Bryz is proven:

364 GP
.914 SV %
2.56 GAA

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02-08-2012, 11:29 AM
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Bryz is proven:

364 GP
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Not this season he isn't. He's proven to be a mistake so far.

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02-08-2012, 11:30 AM
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No team can win a shootout if their goalie doesn't make a single save. It's unrealistic to expect our shooters to score on every shot they take, which is pretty much what it would take. Bryz needs to make at least one save to give the shooters a chance.

Bryz played well and stopped all the regulation shots he saw, but at the end of the day he was outperformed by the opposition goaltender yet again. It's tiresome. When do we get to see Bryz steal a game like that? Why do we always have to lose those games?

Anyways, it's the freaking shootout, it doesn't exist when it matters. Bryz saw 18 shots and managed to not allow 3 goals. This is improvement, and I hope the trend continues.

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1.000 SV% against the ISLANDERS ....
LOL ... nobody cuts Bryz slack when a great team scores 4 on Bryz, so don't even try the 'it was a bad team, so the stats don't really count' ..... pathetic


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Lisa Hillary's question last night for Danny Briere sheds light on the true dynamics surrounding Bryz. After a shutout, her first question for DB was, "doesn't at some point, your goalie have to win you a game?" Are you kidding me? The discussion over Bryz's worth has shifted so radically away from his level of play, and instead is being dominated by buzz-generating media bias and a near-sighted hyper-evaluation of each Bryz save/goal/movement/quote/sneeze. Everyone, Bryz included, knows the 2nd half needs better goaltending, but with the vitriolic environment that has been created, I wonder if it is possible to recognize moderate-substantial improvement in the near-future. Bryz must stay tough mentally.

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No team can win a shootout if their goalie doesn't make a single save.
no team can win a shootout when the team scores 0 goals.

he gets a SHUTOUT, and still gets flack ..... only in Philly

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Not this season he isn't. He's proven to be a mistake so far.
not since the winter classic: .918 sv % in 2012.

you want to eliminate 326 games of his career, then i'm gonna eliminate 26.

either use ALL of the stats, or be prepared that others will also 'lop off' games to make their point.

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not since the winter classic: .918 sv % in 2012.

you want to eliminate 326 games of his career, then i'm gonna eliminate 26.

either use ALL of the stats, or be prepared that others will also 'lop off' games to make their point.

Here's a good stat, almost winning is still losing. When Bryz can put together a complete top to bottom performance like Nabokov did including a shootout, then he'll have won the game for us. He hasn't even come close to a performance like Nabokov's last night. He's looked good in a few games and maybe stolen 1 or 2 but nothing compared to last night. I think that's why most people are so mad.

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You guys:


Bryz's save percentage is finally back up to .900.

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Bryz needs to start scoring goals, he really isn't helping the team out any, 0 goals so far this season, just pathetic

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When Bryz can put together a complete top to bottom performance ......
here's a better saying:

when the team can score 1 goal .... just ONE, they can take advantage of a shutout.

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Here's a good stat, almost winning is still losing. When Bryz can put together a complete top to bottom performance like Nabokov did including a shootout, then he'll have won the game for us. He hasn't even come close to a performance like Nabokov's last night. He's looked good in a few games and maybe stolen 1 or 2 but nothing compared to last night. I think that's why most people are so mad.
Most reasonable fans expect him to put up the stats of a top 10 NHL goalie in line with his pay. He can't score the goals and thus W-L is really out of his hands. He didn't deserve a lot of the 19 wins he's had, but he also didn't deserve the L from last night.

Anyone who thought we were getting a top 5 Goalie seriously misjudged the signing. At his best, Bryz will be in the 8-15 range of goaltenders, which is exactly what we need him to be to win.

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Poor, Poor Bryz

Nabokov 24 games with Isles (New Team)(Poor Defense)(Weak Offense) 12wins - 12losses .925 SV% 2.21 GAA Around $2 Million

Bryzgolov 36 games with Flyers (New Team)(So-so defense without Pronger)(Top 2 Offense)19wins - 11 Losses .900 SV% 2.78 GAA $51 Million Contract. SUCKS IN S/O

Two goalies with new teams this year- One team with a huge offensive advantage. One goalie earning his pay, the other not. But we should accept and forgive the guy making the big bucks and dragging down his team. Let's shower him with more excuses, that will help us win the Cup. Up to this point he is a BUST!! An 18 shot shutout with a poor S/O performance does not change my mind.

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Keep in mind Holmgren didn't want to pay Nabokov more than $2M. Nabokov wanted too much, of course.

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@ this thread after last night's game

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Keep in mind Holmgren didn't want to pay Nabokov more than $2M. Nabokov wanted too much, of course.
My impression: Homer didn't bring in a big name goalie in 2010-2011. Goaltending flopped. The decree came down from Snider that we will be upgrading the goaltending in 2011-2012.

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Don't worry. The giant BUM will be back to garbage self when he faces a some good teams come this weekend.

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Don't worry. The giant BUM will be back to garbage self when he faces a some good teams come this weekend.
a true Flyers fan right there. obviously no agenda / bias there.

Bryz starts putting up better numbers, his numbers for all of the whopping total of 38 games as a Flyer are getting there, too ... and the attitude seems to be that stats don't count now, he's gonna stink over the weekend.

Lets Go Flyers

lol

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Don't worry. The giant BUM will be back to garbage self when he faces a some good teams come this weekend.
Or so you hope. We need to show a little loyalty to our goalie here. He can suck all season if he shows in the playoffs.

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a true Flyers fan right there. obviously no agenda / bias there.

Bryz starts putting up better numbers, his numbers for all of the whopping total of 38 games as a Flyer are getting there, too ... and the attitude seems to be that stats don't count now, he's gonna stink over the weekend.

Lets Go Flyers

lol
Earth to Bernie. Come in Bernie.

It's easy to put up better numbers when you are in the cellar of the NHL goalie department.

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a true Flyers fan right there. obviously no agenda / bias there.

Bryz starts putting up better numbers, his numbers for all of the whopping total of 38 games as a Flyer are getting there, too ... and the attitude seems to be that stats don't count now, he's gonna stink over the weekend.

Lets Go Flyers

lol
you forgot to add in the "better in 2012" part that you mention EVERY post..

for a guy who's unbiased you blow that Bryz trumpet louder then Bryz own mother does..

oh wait are you Bryz' mom ??

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Or so you hope. We need to show a little loyalty to our goalie here. He can suck all season if he shows in the playoffs.
We all supported the guy till about the first third of the season.

Last Sunday was the final straw for me. I have given up hope for him for this year.

In his last 10

Losses to the NYR, Winni, Nash, Ott, Bos and NYI.
Wins against NJ, Nash, Ott and Min.

Can't blame him for the Winnipeg game so thats out. Did well in regulation last night, so you could even cut out the NYI game.

That leave solid wins against NJ and Nash and what should be wins against the mighty Ottawa Sens and the super scary Min Wild.

I don't understand the last portion of your post. Don't you need to be good the entire season to make the playoffs?

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here's a better saying:

when the team can score 1 goal .... just ONE, they can take advantage of a shutout.

Yes, if the forwards had scored 1 goal we would have won the game. Agreed. However, since they didn't, Bryz needs to step it up and win the game for us. That's what he was brought in here for. The offense has bailed him out numerous times. When will Bryz bail out the offense?

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