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02-08-2012, 02:04 PM
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i assume it was ignored because the jackets could much better address their needs than the proposed offer. they have a crazy amount of C right now (weak at the W) and have even more d prospects (many of them offensive d).
You guys have good center depth? Didn't know that..

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02-08-2012, 02:05 PM
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7.8m cap hit until 2018. The cap needs to go up quite a bit for that not to suck anymore.

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i assume it was ignored because the jackets could much better address their needs than the proposed offer. they have a crazy amount of C right now (weak at the W) and have even more d prospects (many of them offensive d).
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While that is good value, I'd definitely decline and look for something that addresses Columbus's needs more. Stastny would end up being a 3rd line C next year, obviously Quincey is a very good piece, but we also don't need another D prospect at the moment.
Wouldn't you move Carter back to wing with Stastny on board? Stastny and Johansson as the top 2 centers?

Why would you trade Nash at all if all you're really wanting is wingers? Is it goalies too?

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Nash's cap hit is atrocious for his offensive production. Yes he has shown he can be really good, but has steadily declined over the last couple of years. I was one to believe Columbus might actually do well this year (With the additions of Carter, Wisniewski..etc) They were one of my sleeper teams. Unfortunately i was way off in my assumptions.

If they were to trade away Nash it would be for a young core who can play with Johansen. I would say a stud prospect (Who is close to NHL ready, if not NHL ready currently) + A first round pick and probably some sort of stop gap (or Salary dump) for Nash's near 8 Million dollar contract.

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02-08-2012, 02:16 PM
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Staal+ Anisimov and a 1 ST with Worstyet Blowski as a cap dump .
If your commiting to Brad Richards for 9 more years you better have a stud playing next to him not the ham handed plugs he's been paired with ( good players but manor de piedras)

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02-08-2012, 02:16 PM
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Seriously? No. Maybe a top prospect and a 1st, but that is way too much.
People undervalue Nash because he plays on Columbus. He has averaged 30+ goals a season since being drafted. This guy would do great on a team that has players to compliment him.

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02-08-2012, 02:19 PM
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Staal+ Anisimov and a 1 ST with Worstyet Blowski as a cap dump .
If your commiting to Brad Richards for 9 more years you better have a stud playing next to him not the ham handed plugs he's been paired with ( good players but manor de piedras)
That's actually a really good deal for Nash...NYR would be deadly up front with Gaborik,Nash and Richards.

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02-08-2012, 02:31 PM
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People undervalue Nash because he plays on Columbus. He has averaged 30+ goals a season since being drafted. This guy would do great on a team that has players to compliment him.
He's not undervalued, it has nothing to do with Columbus. He's a very one dimensional player, he scores goals, that's it. Hitch was the last coach to regularly put him on the PK, he's terrible defensively (-20 or more this season, right?) and hardly ever backchecks leading to embarrassing goals like this, he's been the captain for years and the team has quit on multiple coaches. He doesn't stick up for teammates, he doesn't throw checks, he does nothing but score goals, and even that hasn't been happening that much lately.

His value, right now, has never been lower, and it's for a good reason. If anything he's overrated by Columbus fans because he's been their darling ever since they got a team, which, honestly, is understandable. But don't kid yourself, not every team should be chomping at the bit to get Rick Nash. He hasn't elevated Columbus whatsoever, and your own beat writers constantly talk about the country club atmosphere surrounding the organization. Is that sort of thing tied to the team captain? I'd say so.

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02-08-2012, 02:43 PM
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People undervalue Nash because he plays on Columbus. He has averaged 30+ goals a season since being drafted. This guy would do great on a team that has players to compliment him.
It has nothing to do with Columbus and has everything to do with bang for the buck. He's an extremely talented player at one aspect of the game, and that's it. Scoring 30+ goals is fantastic, but carrying a cap hit of 7.8 million to do so while bringing little else to the table, SUCKS

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02-08-2012, 02:45 PM
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He's not undervalued, it has nothing to do with Columbus. He's a very one dimensional player, he scores goals, that's it. Hitch was the last coach to regularly put him on the PK, he's terrible defensively (-20 or more this season, right?) and hardly ever backchecks leading to embarrassing goals like this, he's been the captain for years and the team has quit on multiple coaches. He doesn't stick up for teammates, he doesn't throw checks, he does nothing but score goals, and even that hasn't been happening that much lately.

His value, right now, has never been lower, and it's for a good reason. If anything he's overrated by Columbus fans because he's been their darling ever since they got a team, which, honestly, is understandable. But don't kid yourself, not every team should be chomping at the bit to get Rick Nash. He hasn't elevated Columbus whatsoever, and your own beat writers constantly talk about the country club atmosphere surrounding the organization. Is that sort of thing tied to the team captain? I'd say so.
Precisely this. He's not a player that makes others better. He's about as one dimensional as they come, and he's not even scoring right now after they got him a center to play with. All this for a 7.8 million dollar cap? Who would want that.

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Tim Connolly/Mathew Lombardi + Carl Gunnarsson+ Kadri + 1st

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02-08-2012, 02:54 PM
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He's not undervalued, it has nothing to do with Columbus. He's a very one dimensional player, he scores goals, that's it. Hitch was the last coach to regularly put him on the PK, he's terrible defensively (-20 or more this season, right?) and hardly ever backchecks leading to embarrassing goals like this, he's been the captain for years and the team has quit on multiple coaches. He doesn't stick up for teammates, he doesn't throw checks, he does nothing but score goals, and even that hasn't been happening that much lately.

His value, right now, has never been lower, and it's for a good reason. If anything he's overrated by Columbus fans because he's been their darling ever since they got a team, which, honestly, is understandable. But don't kid yourself, not every team should be chomping at the bit to get Rick Nash. He hasn't elevated Columbus whatsoever, and your own beat writers constantly talk about the country club atmosphere surrounding the organization. Is that sort of thing tied to the team captain? I'd say so.
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It has nothing to do with Columbus and has everything to do with bang for the buck. He's an extremely talented player at one aspect of the game, and that's it. Scoring 30+ goals is fantastic, but carrying a cap hit of 7.8 million to do so while bringing little else to the table, SUCKS
You are both proving the problem with Nash playing in Columbus. Nobody except CBJ fans ever watch Columbus regularly. Columbus is lucky to be on a Versus/NBC Sports Network once per year. Nash is really good defensively and great, yes GREAT on the pk. Over a three year peiod, Mike Richards and Rick Nash were #1-2 in the NHL for short handed goals.

Scott Arniel in his infinite wisdom took Nash off of the #1 PK unit to "save" him. I'm not sure what he was saving him for, golf season?

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02-08-2012, 02:59 PM
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not much about his level of play screams "strong asset" @7.8M$...

not many teams have that kind of cap space and/or ownership support to add a player with that kind of contract, and those that do likely wouldn't want to part with the kind of assets CBJ would want in return.


if Hitchcock believes in him, maybe St.Louis could be a fit...

something around Nash for Stewart & one of Elliot/Halak

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02-08-2012, 03:05 PM
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Contract might be pricy but... one of the premier players in the game.
I'll give it a shot.
and this isn't to say that all these teams would make these deals - it's that one of the other 29 teams would - at least.

Nsh - Ellis, 2012 1st, 2nd, 2013 1st (or Blum instead of picks)
Van - Schneider, Hodgson, 2012 2nd
Bos - Hamilton, Caron, Spooner, 2nd
Wpg - Schiefle, Enstrom
Mtl - Beaulieu, 2012 1st, 2012 2nd (if they're picking top 5)

Whatever - did it quick

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You are both proving the problem with Nash playing in Columbus. Nobody except CBJ fans ever watch Columbus regularly. Columbus is lucky to be on a Versus/NBC Sports Network once per year. Nash is really good defensively and great, yes GREAT on the pk. Over a three year peiod, Mike Richards and Rick Nash were #1-2 in the NHL for short handed goals.

Scott Arniel in his infinite wisdom took Nash off of the #1 PK unit to "save" him. I'm not sure what he was saving him for, golf season?
I do watch CBJ games regularly, he's not "really good" defensively. You're proving what I said about Columbus fans overrating him simply because he's a goal scorer and the face of your franchise.

He's absolutely terrible defensively, the video I linked isn't an anomaly, those sort of things regularly happen because Nash rarely backchecks, rarely throws his body, he's freaking lazy.

He's put up 39, 57, 54, 57, 69, 79, 67, and 66 point seasons. His plus/minus for those seasons? -27, -35, +5, -8, +2, +11, -2, +2, and now he's a -21, almost a league worst.

At a 7.8 million dollar cap hit, Rick Nash is a disaster for any other team. You're free to disagree, but, if I was a GM, I would not want a one dimensional, high priced player, with a questionable work ethic, and horrible leadership qualities on my team.

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02-08-2012, 03:15 PM
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The Cap hit is very bad.. But lets be reasonable on the talent level.

He is a 28 huge fast with soft hands and has put up good numbers on a terrible team.

When he played for Team Canada with Toews and morrow he fit in just fine with a great 2 way game.

The guy is arguably the best PF winger in hockey over the last 5 years. If he was 6 mill a season he would be alot more attractive to a cap max team. But there is plenty of crappy contracts around the 7 mill range teams are dealing with.

Would you rather have nash over..
gomez
vinny
semin
horcof

You might be paying through the nose but get Nash on a team with more than 1 or 2 threats and you will see 40g + seasons again imo.

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02-08-2012, 03:31 PM
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How about this one:

To San Jose - Nash
To CBJ - Vlasic and Clowe + 2nd round pick

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How about this one:

To San Jose - Nash
To CBJ - Vlasic and Clowe + 2nd round pick
uhm, how about no!

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Staal+ Anisimov and a 1 ST with Worstyet Blowski as a cap dump .
If your commiting to Brad Richards for 9 more years you better have a stud playing next to him not the ham handed plugs he's been paired with ( good players but manor de piedras)
Oh holy hell yes. MStaal is a bloody perfect fit; he's one of the "ideal examples" of what we're looking for that I keep mentioning. Don't even need Anisimov, unless he's necessary for the cap dollars or you just want him gone. Gimmie gimmie gimmie.

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How about this one:

To San Jose - Nash
To CBJ - Vlasic and Clowe + 2nd round pick
I'd go for it. I doubt SJ would; that's a few too many assets. I doubt they're interested in Nash at all in any case, as they've had issues with large amounts of cash going only to a select few players.

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uhm, how about no!
IMO the Sharks are very close to being a top contender. Nash paired with Thornton would move you from being a cup contender to a cup favorite. The teams that would take Nash are teams that are close and are going for it. Sure his salary is expensive but if you're that close but if you're that close why not? If you don't believe how good #61 is just ask any Wing fan - they would love to see him leave the Central Division.

This is also good for the Jackets because it addresses their need at defense and gets them a gritty winger.

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detroit will take him!!!!

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Nash is one of the most overated players in nhl he is basicly a younger version of ryan smyth or trevor linden.

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Nash is one of the most overated players in nhl he is basicly a younger version of ryan smyth or trevor linden.
good one.

A trade like this would depend a lot on the salary that Columbus wanted to take back. If they are looking to get out from under that contract then they'll have to accept less in assets. If they're just wanting to change the mix, they could get a pretty good return imo. The problem is, not many teams can (or will) take on that contract. It'd be a tough deal to make.

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detroit will take him!!!!
Y'all don't have the available quality defensemen. Unless, of course, the LidstromBot can last long enough that Kronwall becomes available.

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Nash is one of the most overated players in nhl he is basicly a younger version of ryan smyth or trevor linden.
Thanks for sharing.

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Yes from this CBJ fan. Kadri on Carters wing and Gunnarsson to give us a top defenseman. 1st is gravy.

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