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02-08-2012, 09:28 AM
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We're going nowhere with Plekanec, DD and Eller as our top 3 centers. One has to go.

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02-08-2012, 09:30 AM
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This is an easy lineup to throw together assuming no major deals and we would still have close to 5 million left in cap space.

In a perfect world the defence would need some work. I'd certainly look to move one of Diaz/Weber for someone with a bit more jam to their game.

I'd love to pencil one of Suter/Parise into this lineup but realistically there is little chance we could get either one. Given the underwhelming UFA crop i would probably re-sign AK if he would come in at or around the same contract he's got now.

FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Lars Eller ($1.300m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
Brandon Prust ($1.500m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.500m) / Ryan White ($0.625m)
/ / Mike Blunden ($0.615m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($1.500m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($3.000m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m) / Raphael Diaz ($0.900m)
Matt Carkner ($1.000m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.000m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,568,333; BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,731,667

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02-08-2012, 09:31 AM
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We're going nowhere with Plekanec, DD and Eller as our top 3 centers. One has to go.
We can live with top 3 C
but DD out for me.


Put DD with 2 big wingers and he is awesome.
put Plekanec with anyone, he'll do the job.


DD with Moen and Fardarche will be less efficient than Pleakanec

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02-08-2012, 09:43 AM
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We're going nowhere with Plekanec, DD and Eller as our top 3 centers. One has to go.
After next season maybe. DD at 750k$ is a lock to stay.

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02-08-2012, 09:58 AM
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A rebuild would certainly appear to be in order, and here's what I'd like to see.

Moen, Gill, Campoli, Kostitsyn dealt at the trade deadline for draft picks. Two second round picks in 2012 and a second and third in 2013.

-Two second round picks and a third (all obtained at the trade deadline) packaged for another first round pick.

-Finish bottom five in standings and pick a center and a scoring winger or dman with the first rounders.

Package two second rounders in 2013 and Gionta to a lower level team for a first round pick in 2013, which is really looking strong in Quebec. Deal Desharnais for a second round pick. Select two more potential top six forwards in the first round of 2013.




2 or 3 years from now


Patch 2012 top ten pick 2013 first rounder
Cole Pleks Leblanc
Gallagher Eller Kristo
Holland Bournival White

2012 first rounder and 2013 first rounder knocking at the door....along with Avtsin Quailer and others.

Subban Gorges
Emelin Markov
Beaulieu Tinordi
Bennett/Ellis

Price
Tremblay

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02-08-2012, 10:06 AM
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We can live with top 3 C
but DD out for me.


Put DD with 2 big wingers and he is awesome.
put Plekanec with anyone, he'll do the job.


DD with Moen and Fardarche will be less efficient than Pleakanec
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After next season maybe. DD at 750k$ is a lock to stay.
Whenever but if we ever want to challenge, those 3 won't get it done.

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02-08-2012, 10:23 AM
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Trade whatever you have to aside from who i have listed below for a big centre

Pacioretty - __________ - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Gallagher
LeBlanc - Eller - ________
________ - __________ - White

Gorges - Subban
Emelin - _______
Tinordi - Beaulieu

Price

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02-08-2012, 10:23 AM
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Whenever but if we ever want to challenge, those 3 won't get it done.
I agree with you....going to be tough for the Habs to fix that though (unless they finish low enough to draft Grigorenko/Galchenyuk).

I'd still make a real run at Jeff Carter if he's available on the "cheap".

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02-08-2012, 10:24 AM
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Trade whatever you have to aside from who i have listed below for a big centre

Pacioretty - __________ - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Gallagher
LeBlanc - Eller - ________
________ - __________ - White

Gorges - Subban
Emelin - _______
Tinordi - Beaulieu

Price
That leaves us with very little to offer for a big top line center.

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02-08-2012, 10:24 AM
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OUT: Mathieu Darche, Petteri Nokelainen, Hal Gill, Chris Campoli, Yannick Weber, Scott Gomez, Andrei Kostitsyn, Travis Moen

Now, I'm left with:

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - xxxxxxxx
Leblanc - Eller - Gionta
White - xxxxxxx - xxxxxxxx

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
xxxxxx - Kaberle/Diaz

Price
Budaj

Priorities:
1. Big second/third line winger
2. Build a proper/tough 4th line
3. Acquire/Sign big strong D-Man

Here are some examples:
1. Tuomo Ruutu, Shane Doan, David Jones
2. Paul Gaustad, Gregory Campbell, Jim Slater, Brandon Prust, Shawn Thornton, Tanner Glass, Travis Moen
3. Bryan Allen, Johnny Boychuk, Sheldon Souray

Finally, go into next season with something like this:

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Ruutu - Plekanec - Bourque
Leblanc - Eller - Gionta
White - Gaustad/Slater - Prust/Thornton/Glass

Markov - Emelin
Subban - Gorges
Kaberle - Allen/Boychuk/Souray

Price
Budaj

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02-08-2012, 10:33 AM
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I agree with you....going to be tough for the Habs to fix that though (unless they finish low enough to draft Grigorenko/Galchenyuk).

I'd still make a real run at Jeff Carter if he's available on the "cheap".
Add Gallagher to that in a few years *gulp* midget convention

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02-08-2012, 10:34 AM
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Trade whatever you have to aside from who i have listed below for a big centre

Pacioretty - __________ - Cole
Bourque - Plekanec - Gallagher
LeBlanc - Eller - ________
________ - __________ - White

Gorges - Subban
Emelin - _______
Tinordi - Beaulieu

Price
Gomez for Horcoff. Done.

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02-08-2012, 11:27 AM
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I'm E.H.M. I tanked for my 3 first years. I drafted Burmistrov, Taresenko in my first draft. I drafted Landeskog in my second draft. Now I have

V. Taresenko- A. Burmistrov- G. Landeskog

I have the VAG and they're tearing it up. I hope we can have something similar to that.

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02-08-2012, 11:57 AM
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I've seen a lot of people with gallagher in their lineup. Anyone here have seen him play this year? Is he NHL ready? What are your toughts on this kid? He really impressed me in the pre-season games, i feel like this is a rob on the 2010 draft.

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02-08-2012, 01:11 PM
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I'm fine with the centers we have
Plekanec, Eller, Desharnais and Leblanc are good.

Now we can only afford to have so much small players.
Desharnais in 12-13 is a lock but in 13-14 he's gone for my part.

That leaves me with this kind of line up

Left wings-Centers-right wings
Patches-TP-Forsberg/Yakupov
Cole-Eller-AK
Bourque-Leblanc-Gionta
Moen/XX-XX-white

So DD for a team good prospect ? Ship him to Chicago he'll do good with kane sharp or hossa.
Gomez is waived...Maybe we can trade Moen but I really don't mind.

Sign a player like Prust ?


Defense looks like this
Gill-Campoli
Kaberle-Zanon
Weber-Scott

Wait just kidding.

Markov-XX(Big dman plz..)
Gorges-P.K.
Emelin-Diaz


Kaberle is gone...Weber traded for a second ? or 7th dman...Gill for a 4th rounder...Campoli for a 7th...
Beaulieu or Tinordi as 7th dman.
With Markov i'd like to see boychuck from UFA ?

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02-08-2012, 01:13 PM
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Add Gallagher to that in a few years *gulp* midget convention
I thought that would be a bigger issue but with Cammalleri gone and Gionta likely to be gone by the time Gallagher is ready for top 6 duty its not a huge concern.

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Teams with top big centers - don't trade them. Unless they're the Habs, because the Habs are useless.

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I've seen a lot of people with gallagher in their lineup. Anyone here have seen him play this year? Is he NHL ready? What are your toughts on this kid? He really impressed me in the pre-season games, i feel like this is a rob on the 2010 draft.
I think that's highly unlikely. Give him at least 1 year in the AHL....and maybe a taste at the NHL level next season depending on the injury situation and how he's performing.

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UFA
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UFA

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02-08-2012, 01:19 PM
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Leblanc
UFA
Who's the UFA you want to sign as our #1 center?

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Who's the UFA you want to sign as our #1 center?
I don't know. Are there any good ones this year?

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02-08-2012, 02:22 PM
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I think it's all about patience, and what's available at the draft. This summer, we'll probably end up with something in the range of a 4th to 10th overall pick. If with that pick, we're able to land Galchenyuk or even Faksa, i think next year, or the year after, will be all about Plekanec being traded.

To me the team needs a real top line center. It's very difficult to acquire a big top center from another team, because really, who wants to trade them? Carter and Richards (who is smaller but i'd argue a top center on our team) are the exception to the rule, but also come with crazy contracts attached. The safer and smarter route to take is obviously just drafting our own.

From watching Desharnais and Eller play this year and last, i feel they fit perfectly as 2nd and 3rd line centers. Gomez needs to be dealt with by the beginning of next year, either buy him out or send him down. He serves no real purpose on our team. Even if he plays to his potential, there still no room for him. 4th line center should be someone like Noke or White, that is to say a more veteran type or a young, feisty type.

Wingers are the real nut to crack next year. Gionta, Pacioretty, Cole and Bourque are locks at the moment. AK, Moen, Darche could all be gone. Something tells me that Leblanc will find his way into the starting line-up next year, which probably marks the end of one of those 3. It's too bad, because all those guys are extremely versatile on the team. I think the smart money is to trade Moen, because he'll give us the best value at the deadline. I know that sounds weird because AK is a top 10 pick, a perennial 20 goal scorer and possibly still untapped potential, but for teams looking to win the cup, I think Moen is more what teams are looking for. Trading for the playoffs is a lot different than trading for the season. Yes AK hits a lot, but he's not a proven playoff guy, not like Moen. To be perfectly frank, this is the easiest 2nd round pick up Gauthier will ever come across, and he needs to cash in. As far as AK is concerned, I bet most teams try to low-ball Gauthier, preying on the fact that AK is inconsistent and so on and so forth. Unfortunately, he doesn't have Penner's playoff cred to fall back on, otherwise yeah, he'd probably get that 1st rounder. First thing i'd do is negotiate a contract with AK now, hopefully get the number that makes sense (between 3.5 and 4 a year), and then worry about trading him or keeping him next year. So this would be my forwards contingent next year:

Patches -- DD -- Cole
Bourque -- Plex -- Gionta
AK -- Eller -- Leblanc
Darche -- Noke -- White

Now something can be switched around there, like AK might be dealt and we get a guy like Ruutu, but i don't see much point. the success of the team relies (like stanley cup success) on shaping the 1st line center role. AK for Ruutu is 4 quarters for a dollar, imo. I'd trade AK when he shows me that he can't score with a top line center. He's never had one, so i think the book's still out. The only reason why we want to get rid of him is because we're down to our last pennies thanks to the Gomez, Kaberle and Markov and Gionta deal. Otherwise, we wouldn't be fretting about a paying a guy like AK 500k too much. Someone like Ruutu will come in here and end up looking exactly like AK, you know its going to happen. There's a reason why everyone looks good with DD: It's because he's our best offensive center. No other center can carry a line like he can, so until we find one, why would we unload any of our talented wingers?

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02-08-2012, 02:33 PM
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Pacoriety - Desharnais - Cole
Stewart, C - Plekanec - Stewart, A
Bourque - Eller - Gionta
White - Leblanc - Nokelainen, Petteri

Markov - Emelin
Subban - Georges
Diaz - Kaberle

Price
Buddai

Assuming the Habs were smart and picked up Anthony Stewart, they could trade for Chris Stewart and have them play together. We'd have 3 lines capable of scoring and the team would be a lot bigger and more physical. They'd buyot/demote Gomez, but we'd have to keep Kaberle since no one is going to take him. He'd be on the 1st or 2nd PP but wouldn't play much even strength.

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Pacoriety - Desharnais - Cole
Stewart, C - Plekanec - Stewart, A
Bourque - Eller - Gionta
White - Leblanc - Nokelainen, Petteri

Markov - Emelin
Subban - Georges
Diaz - Kaberle

Price
Buddai

Assuming the Habs were smart and picked up Anthony Stewart, they could trade for Chris Stewart and have them play together. We'd have 3 lines capable of scoring and the team would be a lot bigger and more physical. They'd buyot/demote Gomez, but we'd have to keep Kaberle since no one is going to take him. He'd be on the 1st or 2nd PP but wouldn't play much even strength.
How would picking up A.stewart be "smart" the guy sucks ass. Other than the minor break out the first half of last year, he's been a full blown Hugh Jessiman-type bust as a pro.

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I don't know. Are there any good ones this year?
No not at all....Jarret Stoll, Olli Jokinen and Paul Gaustad are probably the best that are out there...assuming they don't re-sign between now and July 1st.

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