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02-08-2012, 12:05 PM
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no team can win a shootout when the team scores 0 goals.

he gets a SHUTOUT, and still gets flack ..... only in Philly
The goalie really needs to give their team at least 3 tries to score. Statistically, shooters succeed 30ish percent of the time. If you're letting in two goals off the bat you aren't giving your shooters a chance.

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Don't worry. The giant BUM will be back to garbage self when he faces a some good teams come this weekend.
its ok, when he gives up a goal it will be on Mez,Coburn,Carle,Bourdon, the system, the coach, Pronger flashing a LED light in bryz eyes. ect ect. Bryzgalov doesnt give up goals that arent his fault. because if the coaching was better, the defense did their job Bryzgalov would be 38-0 with 38 shutouts.

in all seriousness the guy was brought here to make a difference in goal and so far hes been well Michael Leighton only with 10 times the salary. Stop with the ******* excuses for him. I dont care what his numbers are in 2012. For me its not about the numbers or that he finally got that GAA up to the mendoza line. its the type of goals hes allowed.
Some think its ok to allow one soft goal per game, or have one bad game out of 2 or 3. The guy hasnt been good enough this year. What would his record be if he had The Isles offense?
Have their been defensive breakdowns in front of him? of course, but in the end hes paid to stop the puck. He is paid to make the big save. so far overall he hasnt.

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02-08-2012, 12:22 PM
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(Quality isn't top notch but you see what is my point)

Why is Bryz stretch out like this? Look at the angle of his stick and blocker, it's a 45 degree angle off the ice, it's the perfect angle for the puck to bounce off and go over his pad/shoulder which is exactly what happened. He can say it's a funny bounce, but he was looking for it IMO. I'm not a goalie but isn't it better to just put your stick perpendicular to the ice near your body and once it hit you, you smoother it?

same exact [correct] movement:


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02-08-2012, 12:44 PM
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Bryz on shootouts: "It feels like there's a soccer net behind me."

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same exact [correct] movement:

Except those two scenarios aren't the same.

Besides the fact one was coming down the wing and the other was coming behind the net, Bryz didn't even do the same thing in both cases. In the 1st example (the picture), Bryz tried the poke check and then had some half-*** recovery where his stick wasn't perpendicular to the ice, which resulted in the puck hitting his stick and bouncing through him. In the 2nd example, Bryz didn't try the poke check, and kept him stick perpendicular to the ice.

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ave Isaac @davegisaac Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Bryz on shootouts: "It feels like there's a soccer net behind me."
nuff said..


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Except those two scenarios aren't the same.
In the 1st example (the picture), Bryz tried the poke check and then had some half-*** recovery where his stick wasn't perpendicular to the ice
no. a poke check is:

or

or

his stick was properly on the ice, this pic was taken just before the tick made full contact with the ice.


in both cases, waffle is at 45 degree angle [physically has to be] the stick is rarely perpendicular in those cases, most often it tilts forward as soon as the bottom edge of the waffle contacts the ice.

he did the same move in 2 different scenarios

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Bryz simply has no benefit of the doubt in that situation because he has let in way too many goals in this sort of manner. It's not a fluke occurrence, it's a definite pattern. He's clearly doing something wrong.

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lolz at Bernie posting BOB's stats in his avatar

Hey Bernie lets continue to teach you a thing or two about statistics.

Guess what happens to a mean when you have a wide range but not a wide data set? The mean becomes easily skewed.

Therefore its lol worthy that you chose to post BOB's stats right after he has his second worst game to date (even though the majority wasn't his fault) so you can take the brief opportunity to try to prove your biased point.

To demonstrate the above I'll make a deal with ya.

You can remove the worst game Bryz had for the year from his stats. Completely remove it.

I'll do the same with BOB's and lets watch what the numbers do.

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I still laugh when I remember Bryz was supposed solve the goalie problem

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lolz at Bernie posting BOB's stats in his avatar

Hey Bernie lets continue to teach you a thing or two about statistics.

Guess what happens to a mean when you have a wide range but not a wide data set? The mean becomes easily skewed.

Therefore its lol worthy that you chose to post BOB's stats right after he has his second worst game to date (even though the majority wasn't his fault) so you can take the brief opportunity to try to prove your biased point.

To demonstrate the above I'll make a deal with ya.

You can remove the worst game Bryz had for the year from his stats. Completely remove it.

I'll do the same with BOB's and lets watch what the numbers do.
Well, a potential problem with this is that their sample sizes aren't the same. Removing a bad set of stats from Bob's smaller body of work is going to have greater positive impact than if you do the same for Bryz and his larger body of work.

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oh how i wish Leighton was given even 5% of the pass's (not his fault) that Bryz has seen..

just 5%..

ohhh what could have been..

/sadpanda

hell i'd have been happy with 1% for christs sake.

funny how we suddenly paying one goalie like 1000X as much and along with that money apparently comes 1000X as many pass's//

thats a nice 'padded' contract hes got

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Well, a potential problem with this is that their sample sizes aren't the same. Removing a bad set of stats from Bob's smaller body of work is going to have greater positive impact than if you do the same for Bryz and his larger body of work.
Very good. Exactly my point Beef. What you said also has the same effect when one tries to point out a negative aspect by waiting till a really bad game to prove their "point"

It is no coincidence that the user waited till this point and time to try to "imply" BOB and The BUM have played equal this year.

Bernie Parent 1974 may tout himself "unbiased" and not a "Closet Bryz Fan" and he may even call you "a biased fan" but he is as biased as they come.


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What's with the arguing - it's pretty obvious he sucks and we are stuck with him.
He had a shutout last night and still managed to royally blow it up.

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LOL @ hcky not knowing Bryz's stats

Official NHL Statistics Ilya Bryzgalov: Career: 364 GP .914 SV% 2.56 GAA


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I don't very much care about games he played on teams outside of Philly on a different contract. I care very much about how he's performed on our team, with his current cap hit, with the current pressure and spotlight. His past is currently meaningless. This is all new territory for him; the system, the city, the media. He's paving a new road for himself, and right now he's leaving a lot of potholes. Whether or not he has it in him to turn it around and make things right remains to be seen.

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LOL @ hcky not knowing Bryz's stats

Official NHL Statistics Ilya Bryzgalov: 364 GP .914 SV% 2.56 GAA
HOLY CRAP. HE played 364 games this year/season?

No wonder he has been so terrible. He must be so worn out.

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The goalie really needs to give their team at least 3 tries to score. Statistically, shooters succeed 30ish percent of the time. If you're letting in two goals off the bat you aren't giving your shooters a chance.
Frans Nielson is one of the better shootout guys in the entire league (over 50% if I'm not mistaken) and John Taveras is an elite NHL scorer.

Yes, lets blame the goalie for not winning even though our forwards didn't put 1 f'ing puck past Nabokov.

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The goalie really needs to give their team at least 3 tries to score. Statistically, shooters succeed 30ish percent of the time. If you're letting in two goals off the bat you aren't giving your shooters a chance.
This is ridiculous. The scorers need to score, whether it's during the games, or in the shootout. People blaming last night's game on Bryz are morons

Our last shootout, Bryz stopped 2 of 3, and we still didn't score 1. Our shooters are just as awful in shootouts as the goalies are. We have an elite set of forwards with great scoring abilities...yet in shootouts, they all seem to drop the ball.

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People on the main board are even saying the people blaming Bryz are a joke.

The guy is not playing up to the standards we all set before the year--we get that.

But to blame him when he gets a ****ing shutout is borderline trolling, in my opinion.

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HOLY CRAP. HE played 364 games this year/season?

No wonder he has been so terrible. He must be so worn out.

Yea man. Through all 364 games he's played this season, he's still had time to talk about huskies, think about how large the universe is, and use all kinds of excuses for why he currently sucks. Must be possible to divide the time through all the different masks he wears...

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This is ridiculous. The scorers need to score, whether it's during the games, or in the shootout. People blaming last night's game on Bryz are morons

Our last shootout, Bryz stopped 2 of 3, and we still didn't score 1. Our shooters are just as awful in shootouts as the goalies are. We have an elite set of forwards with great scoring abilities...yet in shootouts, they all seem to drop the ball.
At no point have I said "It's Bryz's fault." I don't believe that loss was Bryz's fault. I blame Nabokov for playing out of his mind. The fact remains that he's been abysmal in shootouts, and needs to be better. I'm pissed that there hasn't been improvement, and I hope the team spends time on it. The shooters were bad last night, but that doesn't change the fact that Bryz was equally bad; However, this thread is for Bryz, not the shooters.

I'm also disappointed that yet again Bryz was outplayed by the opposition goaltender. I don't know how the hell that happens when he puts up a shutout, but it did. Go figure.

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Bryz got new pads as a present for getting back to 90 save % for the season.



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