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02-08-2012, 08:02 AM
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Please...please....please (John Mitchell)

Can someone tell me why mitchell plays??? I don't want to hear that He does things away from the puck that no one sees....


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120 views.... I guess everyone is trying to figure it out as well.... Lol..... Accountability!!!!!! And he gets power play time too.... I give up!

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02-08-2012, 11:56 AM
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Mitchell plays because he was an immediate upgrade over Avery/EC, and has more energy than Feds.

He seems to earn his keep.
He seems to work hard enough and do dirty work and chip in enough.

You have a problem with him playing because ....
and instead we should be playing ....

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I don't think anyone has ever made the case that MItchell get ice-time for his play away from the puck. I just don't see an immediate upgrade in our system currently. Mitchell at least puts the puck on net, and has the midset to skate toward the net with the puck when he enters the offensive zone.

Do I think he's an answer in our top 6? Uh, no. But for the ice-time he gets, would you really rather have Wolski doing nothing on the ice at all?

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Mitchell plays because he was an immediate upgrade over Avery/EC, and has more energy than Feds.

He seems to earn his keep.
He seems to work hard enough and do dirty work and chip in enough.

You have a problem with him playing because ....We despeartely need someone

more taleneted who can score goals. We have enough grinders.


and instead we should be playing ....
MZA (only other option within the system)

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02-08-2012, 12:25 PM
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i can understand mitchell getting a shot and sticking up to this point however I can not for the life of me understand feds being in the lineup over avery...I'll never understand it.

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02-08-2012, 12:42 PM
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i can understand mitchell getting a shot and sticking up to this point however I can not for the life of me understand feds being in the lineup over avery...I'll never understand it.
yea feds isn't playing great but hes a veteran with a lot of clutch playoff performances and this team needs a player like that for a Cup run. I would like to see MZA or Avery in over Mitchell but I don't see either happening.

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02-08-2012, 12:51 PM
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gotta*almost*agreewithchuthere (love the name btw haha)

i get that feds has playoff experience and has scored some clutch aka "flukey" goals in the playoffs but theres no reason why he should be an everyday player at thsi point. He's got black aces written all over him, let him and mitchel duke it out for who plays/sits and bring up someone who can bring something to the table on a shift to shift basis. Like you said, knowing how torts feels about both avery and MZA, we have a better shot of seeing Biron losing the pads and jumping on the 3rd line.

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02-08-2012, 01:00 PM
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i can understand mitchell getting a shot and sticking up to this point however I can not for the life of me understand feds being in the lineup over avery...I'll never understand it.
Absolutely agreed. Avery should be playing over all these other scrubs on forward not named Gaborik. And if Gaborik doesn't pick up the pace he shouldn't be excluded either.

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Absolutely agreed. Avery should be playing over all these other scrubs on forward not named Gaborik. And if Gaborik doesn't pick up the pace he shouldn't be excluded either.
I like the way you think.

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02-08-2012, 01:35 PM
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we have a better shot of seeing Biron losing the pads and jumping on the 3rd line.
Wouldn't be opposed to that.
He handles the puck quite well.

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02-08-2012, 02:54 PM
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he's outproduced Boyle, Fedotenko and Prust...considerably in a PPG comparison.

Mitchell has some skill and plays hard and a smart game.

Id rather have him than Boyle or Feds to be totally honest. Prust brings that banging game and the protection you need from a solid middleweight, so his value is in FAR more than his stats. Boyle is an effective faceoff guy and a penalty killer, so he has some value there. Fedotenko? I have no clue what he brings that's so valuable to this team. Versatility is nice, but he doesnt score, so what does putting him with high powered players accomplish exactly?

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He's good along the boards and he's outproduced almost everyone else in our Bottom 6

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02-08-2012, 03:23 PM
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We should give MZA one last chance before the deadline and play him over Mitchell for a few games.

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We should give MZA one last chance before the deadline and play him over Mitchell for a few games.
if you wanna try MZA, id go for broke and do something like

MZA - Richards - Gaborik

Try it for 2-3 games. if MZA can't produce with those 2...he's not going to produce with this team.

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02-08-2012, 03:28 PM
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Mitchell provides puck possession. Even if he doesn't do anything useful with the puck, the fact that he can play keep away means the Kovalchuks, Malkins, and Girouxs don't have the puck. He's also a pretty decent passer.

Mitchell brings a lot more to the table than people give him credit for.

If you're going to start slinging mud, sling it at Boyle who brings nothing to the table.

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if you wanna try MZA, id go for broke and do something like

MZA - Richards - Gaborik

Try it for 2-3 games. if MZA can't produce with those 2...he's not going to produce with this team.
That's what I was thinking. We haven't really seen how he would work in this system.

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i get the frustration with boyle, however i think alot of expectations of him are a bit inflated in light of last season. Torts is one of those people unfortunately haha. As a 4th line, pk specialist you cant do a whole lot better, the guy is an absolute beast on the PK.
HE gets more ice time than he probably should primarily because the rangers cant score and the only hope they have is shutting down the other teams top lines and boyle is very very good at that. is it fair to sling mud at mitchell? probably not...fair to sling a truckoad of mud at fedotenko? absofinglutely. theres no reason on gods green earth that he should be playing every night. none. there just HAS to be a better option!

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Can someone tell me why mitchell plays??? I don't want to hear that He does things away from the puck that no one sees....
So your asking a question you don't want an answer to?

The guy plays a smart game, and isn't a liability on the defensive side. He can score an odd goal, and gets the puck to the net.

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02-08-2012, 04:51 PM
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It is kind of ridiculous how he plays so much and on a better line then Hagalin sometimes. How is Cally/Richards suppose to get going playing with a fringe 4th liner?

I don't mind him in the lineup, but he is nothing more then a 4th liner that isn't going to hurt us defensively.

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MZA (only other option within the system)
MZA not an option.
He does not have speed to create separation and be real scoring threat.
Best to move him and create cap space/roster slot.

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he's outproduced Boyle, Fedotenko and Prust...considerably in a PPG comparison.

Mitchell has some skill and plays hard and a smart game.

Id rather have him than Boyle or Feds to be totally honest. Prust brings that banging game and the protection you need from a solid middleweight, so his value is in FAR more than his stats. Boyle is an effective faceoff guy and a penalty killer, so he has some value there. Fedotenko? I have no clue what he brings that's so valuable to this team. Versatility is nice, but he doesnt score, so what does putting him with high powered players accomplish exactly?
Supposedly Feds is cheap insurance who picks it up a half notch (which is still not all THAT much) in the playoffs, where every little bit helps. Feds is also depth in case we moved, say, Dubi...

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That's what I was thinking. We haven't really seen how he would work in this system.
The Whale play the same system as us.
I would not put him with Richards and Gabby because those two are streaky in their on right. I'd like to see him with maybe Dubinsky & Anisimov or something...

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It's really not Mitchell's fault we can't score and I think he's a fine option on the 4th line . The fact that the top 6 can't score is the issue, not John Mitchell. I honestly don't know what some posters expect out of 4th liners.

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