If it's to the point where we have to move a roster piece to get the player we need (which it pretty much is at), this is also the method I would prefer. Nothing against Murray but it seems like it is easier to get enough of a replacement for him in order to get an upgrade for the forward corp.
Yeah, we have a hedge with Stuart and/or if Petrecki steps up in training camp next year. Murray's the most easily replaceable among the valuable roster players we could consider trading.
If it's Grabner the price goes up but I'd be very interested in a Bailey-Murray deal. Isles have a few prospects that can fill in the immediate role to replace Bailey short and long term and Murray would be a huge help on D.
Maybe Stafford's overpaid, but Roy makes $4m/yr and is basically a ppg center besides this season, in which he's returning from a nearly season-long injury last year.
nice try, but you wouldn't trade him if Roy was that good.
Ferriero on the 1 line sounds like a push for goal production.
he scores 5 on 5 very well, and i think while desi put the work in he wasnt reliable in the crease or on the shot. hopefully this balances out a little better and ferriero works on getting into the forecheck quicker.
something is wrong if you play with pavs/JT and dont have anything to show for it.
Disagree. Guy just isn't getting results/production but is playing very well. Isles need the results he isn't providing and Sharks can get the production out of him.
Among guys who have played at least 40 games for the Isles this season, Bailey has by far the worst Corsi rate at a ridiculously awful -13 per 60. This is while being matched up against opposing teams' worst players. On an individual level, Bailey is averaging a paltry 1.3 shots per game.
There's a difference between a player who's generating chances but getting none of the bounces and a guy who just plain sucks. Bailey, at least this season, is in the latter category.
Among guys who have played at least 40 games for the Isles this season, Bailey has by far the worst Corsi rate at a ridiculously awful -13 per 60. This is while being matched up against opposing teams' worst players. On an individual level, Bailey is averaging a paltry 1.3 shots per game.
There's a difference between a player who's generating chances but getting none of the bounces and a guy who just plain sucks. Bailey, at least this season, is in the latter category.
I agree that Bailey is having a horrid season. But I support going after him because for one, he'd be a great buy-low, and second, because I think that his poor play has been due to a mental block, stemming from a lack of fulfilling expectations and the feelings of failure on his part. I really think he'll turn his career around. He has the hands and the smarts.
Has Murray faltered or something? I always liked him alongside Boyle.
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Among guys who have played at least 40 games for the Isles this season, Bailey has by far the worst Corsi rate at a ridiculously awful -13 per 60. This is while being matched up against opposing teams' worst players. On an individual level, Bailey is averaging a paltry 1.3 shots per game.
There's a difference between a player who's generating chances but getting none of the bounces and a guy who just plain sucks. Bailey, at least this season, is in the latter category.
Oh great, corsi stats. Yeah, I saw an ESPN writer keep John Tavares out a top 25 players under 25 list and used those stats to justify it.
Has Murray faltered or something? I always liked him alongside Boyle.
I think Murray is playing with Burns now this year. He's been great with Boyle when they were paired up, but Boyle is playing with Vlasic at the moment.
As for Murray, he's doing fine, but I believe he's the most easily replaceable. It gives you guys a solid #2-#3 Dman and we fix our Top 6/Third Line issues. Just keep in mind that skating is not his strong suit, but he hits like a train.
I agree that Bailey is having a horrid season. But I support going after him because for one, he'd be a great buy-low, and second, because I think that his poor play has been due to a mental block, stemming from a lack of fulfilling expectations and the feelings of failure on his part. I really think he'll turn his career around. He has the hands and the smarts.
It's hard to make that statement with any degree of confidence unless you're the Isles' psychologist or something. Buying low makes sense when a player is creating scoring opportunities but is absolutely snake-bitten in terms of shooting percentage. A guy like Chris Stewart or Paul Stastny or Jeff Carter or Dustin Penner or even sticking with the Isles, Okposo or Grabner. The overwhelming probability is that those guys will return to finishing chances at their career rates. Bailey's underlying numbers are just horrifying and indicate that he really doesn't belong in the NHL. Sure there's a chance he turns it around completely but it's probably a really small one.
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Oh great, corsi stats. Yeah, I saw an ESPN writer keep John Tavares out a top 25 players under 25 list and used those stats to justify it.
That was probably based on past seasons. Tavares is second on the Isles in Corsi (behind Parenteau, whose numbers JT is probably driving) this season while facing some really tough matchups.
Has Murray faltered or something? I always liked him alongside Boyle.
Murray's still the same. I would be fine trading him b/c we know we have to trade something of value to acquire a young-tweener-who-maybe-could-become-a-top-6 forward, and he could be the odd man out. Reports are Brad Stuart wants to sign with a California team this offseason, and he'd be a more than able replacement. Plus, we have Petrecki who's a season or 2 away from being able to take Murray's spot.
I don't want to part with any other roster player that has value (Pavs, Clowe, Demers, Braun).
Has Murray faltered or something? I always liked him alongside Boyle.
He's kind of slow to begin with, and when you add up all the massive hits/collisions he's a part of - I'd peg him as a good bet to fall off a cliff long term. He's already 31. We can find someone to fill his role. Defensive d-men are easier to find than puck movers too, so that's another point against him. I love Murray as a fan right now, but 2 or 3 years from now, who knows what he'll look like on the ice?
Kevin27NYI;43815453]Has Murray faltered or something? I always liked him alongside Boyle.
Murray, alongside Boyle, had a rough start to the season but he's still a top 4 d-man and has been much better since coming back from injury - some Sharks fans have just decided he's expendable for forward help. I am definitely not one of them.
A Bailey for Murray deal in the offseason might be something I'd do but I wouldn't do it now, just my opinion.
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nice try, but you wouldn't trade him if Roy was that good.
It's not that Roy isn't that good, I just think he needs a change of scenery and the team needs a shakeup in the worst way, so Roy makes sense.
But what would Buffalo have to add to Pominville to get Pavelski? He's a captain with 65-75pt skills (will be over that this season). Is a great PK guy, can run the PP and is a clutch performer having scored series clinching goals etc.
It's not that Roy isn't that good, I just think he needs a change of scenery and the team needs a shakeup in the worst way, so Roy makes sense.
But what would Buffalo have to add to Pominville to get Pavelski? He's a captain with 65-75pt skills (will be over that this season). Is a great PK guy, can run the PP and is a clutch performer having scored series clinching goals etc.
The way the Sabres are playing against the Bruins, they seem to be doing alright at the moment.
It's not that Roy isn't that good, I just think he needs a change of scenery and the team needs a shakeup in the worst way, so Roy makes sense.
But what would Buffalo have to add to Pominville to get Pavelski? He's a captain with 65-75pt skills (will be over that this season). Is a great PK guy, can run the PP and is a clutch performer having scored series clinching goals etc.
I don't think Pavelski solves the Sabres' issues. You lose in speed what you get in playmaking. Both are leaders. IMO, if Regier called DW for Pavelski, DW would put Regier over a barrel for more than Pavs is worth (Pominville+++). Pavs is not quite untouchable but pretty close to it. I do think that Roy should assume a second line role and if displeased should be moved. The Sabres need to search for a true 1st line center. Pavs is more a 1a/1b center, like the Sabres had with Drury/Briere.
I don't think Pavelski solves the Sabres' issues. You lose in speed what you get in playmaking. Both are leaders. IMO, if Regier called DW for Pavelski, DW would put Regier over a barrel for more than Pavs is worth (Pominville+++). Pavs is not quite untouchable but pretty close to it. I do think that Roy should assume a second line role and if displeased should be moved. The Sabres need to search for a true 1st line center. Pavs is more a 1a/1b center, like the Sabres had with Drury/Briere.
Above all else, at least in my opinion, the Sabres need a tough-minutes center to relieve the defensive burden on Vanek and Roy and allow them to get tons of starts in the offensive zone against middling competition. There aren't many better tough-minutes centers in the NHL than Joe Pavelski and none of them are available (of course, neither is Pavs).
nice try, but you wouldn't trade him if Roy was that good.
