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View Poll Results: What is Smithson's future with this team?
keep him, he plays his role well 9 19.15%
get rid of him, he does more harm than good 28 59.57%
i'm indifferent, he is a 4th liner and has no effect 10 21.28%
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02-04-2012, 01:09 PM
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happy birthday to the baby face scarecrow... hopefully this is the last one you spend in a predators uniform

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02-04-2012, 01:17 PM
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He is signed until the end of next year and Trotz likes him ...case closed. They won't get anything for him if they trade him unless it's a big pkg of players and he's throw in. You have to remember he scored the biggest goal in Predator history of the playoffs history. He plays his role well and through the course of the season you have ups and downs and he coming off an injury. He is not going to score; little if any. He is a checking line player. He is part of the core that played the best in the playoffs last year. The was the best line in the both rounds of the playoffs ..Smithson and Tootoo and Spaling. He is isn't paid to score.

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02-04-2012, 01:29 PM
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Smithson is a great 4th liner who's having a bit of a down year.

The bigger issue here is that our top six is so bad that we actually have to rely on our 4th line for goals every night.

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02-04-2012, 01:39 PM
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Smithson is a great 4th liner who's having a bit of a down year.

The bigger issue here is that our top six is so bad that we actually have to rely on our 4th line for goals every night.
I don't think our top 6 is that bad but we actually don't have a top line we 3 number lines; no number one line

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02-04-2012, 02:42 PM
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Seems like the consensus is that Smitty should either leave, or be our perma-scratch.

Do you really think he'll be used as a perma-scratch though? Trotz loves him for some reason, and has always had loyalty to veterans even if they're not the best player available. As long as he's here and healthy I think Trotz will play him on a regular basis unfortunately.

Weber should wind up that slappy and aim it Smitty's way in practice....too much?

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02-04-2012, 02:50 PM
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I think he have 7 true top 6 forwards (Fisher, Smith, Wilson, Legwand, Kostitsyn, Hornqvist, Erat), the problem is they are all 2nd liners. Halischuk, Spailing, Borque and Tootoo are very, very good third liners that, if they progress a little more, could fill 2nd line minutes in the case of injuries, though not as long term solutions. Smithson is one of the few true fourth lines on our team (along with Yip and McGrattan).

As far as I can tell he's a great locker room guy, and it never hurts to have NHL caliber depth. I wouldn't mind us re-signing him for a few years to be a leader for us.

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02-04-2012, 03:55 PM
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i think Smithson's problem is that our bottom six forwards are all pretty good for what they are. While this version of the predators may have outgrown him, he could still be a good fit on a number of good teams. Teams like Chicago come to mind.

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02-04-2012, 04:35 PM
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smithson is a scratch tonight

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smithson is a scratch tonight
Definitely deserving. Needs to get his head on straight.

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02-04-2012, 04:49 PM
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I like Smitty. I always get a kick out of his playoff "mustache".

He does what he does, quietly plays a defensive game and scores 2 huge game changing goals a year and he is cheap. It is true that we don't need him right now because of the others who have stepped up. I just don't think we could really get anything for him.

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02-08-2012, 10:32 PM
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Preds Practice Report: Feb. 8

You're not going to value Smitty on points and assists, you're going to value him on faceoffs and defensive play and leadership and work-ethic and all those things," Coach Trotz said. "If you look at stats, that's not what Jerred Smithson's about. People who make that mistake (of focusing solely on goals and assists) really don't understand the fabric of the game and what you need to win."

http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.h...id=DL|NSH|home

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Preds Practice Report: Feb. 8

You're not going to value Smitty on points and assists, you're going to value him on faceoffs and defensive play and leadership and work-ethic and all those things," Coach Trotz said. "If you look at stats, that's not what Jerred Smithson's about. People who make that mistake (of focusing solely on goals and assists) really don't understand the fabric of the game and what you need to win."

http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.h...id=DL|NSH|home
no **** trotz... his stats have sucked for years and it doesn't take a genius to see him slipping and young guys passing him up. lose the man crush, and ice the best lineup possible to win. I dont care about vets or rookies .. I want to win !

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no **** trotz... his stats have sucked for years and it doesn't take a genius to see him slipping and young guys passing him up. lose the man crush, and ice the best lineup possible to win. I dont care about vets or rookies .. I want to win !
People who make that mistake (of focusing solely on goals and assists) really don't understand the fabric of the game and what you need to win.

Um, I think that means you. I suppose Poile should give Trotz a pink slip and place you behind the bench. Don't get me wrong, I disagree with Trotz from time to time. But I realize that Trotz may have a tad more credibility with the whole coaching professional hockey thing.

Are goals and assists the only stats that matter to you?

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Preds Practice Report: Feb. 8

You're not going to value Smitty on points and assists, you're going to value him on faceoffs and defensive play and leadership and work-ethic and all those things," Coach Trotz said. "If you look at stats, that's not what Jerred Smithson's about. People who make that mistake (of focusing solely on goals and assists) really don't understand the fabric of the game and what you need to win."

http://predators.nhl.com/club/news.h...id=DL|NSH|home
It's a valid point, which I agree with, but I still don't want to see him out there every game.

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Smithson was the one who set up Legwand's wide open net miss against Vancouver after his aggressive forecheck. Believe it or not Smithson does do good things from time to time. As long as he remains on the 4th line, he's a good player to have. Just needs to quit taking all these dumb penalties. Hopefully, he learned that lesson against Philly.

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The maturing of our roster allows Trotz to use Smithson as a plug and play role player. Bourque brings more energy and a higher offensive upside, McGrattan the pugilistic ability. Against the #1 PP and top 5 at the faceoff dot Canucks, Smithson's skill set best fit what we needed from our 4th line ... a PKer and faceoff specialist.

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02-09-2012, 07:51 AM
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The maturing of our roster allows Trotz to use Smithson as a plug and play role player. Bourque brings more energy and a higher offensive upside, McGrattan the pugilistic ability. Against the #1 PP and top 5 at the faceoff dot Canucks, Smithson's skill set best fit what we needed from our 4th line ... a PKer and faceoff specialist.
What good does it do if he takes those penalties instead of killing them?

I dont mind him. But he needs to pick his game up!!!

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What good does it do if he takes those penalties instead of killing them?

I dont mind him. But he needs to pick his game up!!!
He took how many against the Canucks? He has 15 minor penalties for the season ... 1 every 3 games he's played. It's like asking what good does it do to have Suter and Weber killing penalties when they've combined for 29 minors so far this season.

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He took how many against the Canucks? He has 15 minor penalties for the season ... 1 every 3 games he's played. It's like asking what good does it do to have Suter and Weber killing penalties when they've combined for 29 minors so far this season.
So now you compare Suter's and Weber's contribution to the team with Smithson's???

And they played three time more minutes then Smithson did, so technically they take three times less penalties. They also defensemen: they suppose to take more penalties by definition.

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So now you compare Suter's and Weber's contribution to the team with Smithson's???

And they played three time more minutes then Smithson did, so technically they take three times less penalties. They also defensemen: they suppose to take more penalties by definition.
I compared the number of penalties they've taken to Smithson's .. not contribution. Your complaint appeared to be the amount of times Smithson has put the team a man down ... he's tied with Weber for 2nd on the team in minor penalties behind Tootoo, one more than Suter ... meanwhile, Klein has two (2) minor penalties for the season.

If by definition defenseman are supposed to take more penalties than forwards, most of them appear to suck. Ten players in the league have 26 or more minor penalties .... seven are forwards.

Using your they play more minutes logic ... Smithson "technically" hits twice as much as Weber .... what a beast (109 hits vs 91 hits total ... with Weber playing 2.3x more minutes).

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I compared the number of penalties they've taken to Smithson's .. not contribution. Your complaint appeared to be the amount of times Smithson has put the team a man down ... he's tied with Weber for 2nd on the team in minor penalties behind Tootoo, one more than Suter ... meanwhile, Klein has two (2) minor penalties for the season.

If by definition defenseman are supposed to take more penalties than forwards, most of them appear to suck. Ten players in the league have 26 or more minor penalties .... seven are forwards.

Using your they play more minutes logic ... Smithson "technically" hits twice as much as Weber .... what a beast (109 hits vs 91 hits total ... with Weber playing 2.3x more minutes).
He probably does hit a lot. He doesn't do anything else on the ice, or should I say he can't do anything else on the ice.

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He probably does hit a lot. He doesn't do anything else on the ice, or should I say he can't do anything else on the ice.
He wins faceoffs, he forechecks, he plays defense and kills penalties ... and does those well. That's his role. He would have to lose 43 consecutive draws for his percentage to drop to Spaling's FO%. He's not a scorer .. never has been, never will be but he has a skill set that is much needed when playing teams like the Canucks who usually dominate at the dot and are extremely dangerous on the power play.

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All of our forwards forcheck, a lot of our forwards play good defense, and wasn't penalties killed without him in the line up? And our record is better without him in the line up... Expendable.

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I have always valued Smithson's contributions, but I do think given the maturity of the rest of our bottom line forwards that we get those contributions from others who give us more upside. Assuming Bourque and Yip are #s 11 and 12, you might argue Smitty brings key things to the game against a team like VAN - such as FO and PK ability against a top PP team. However, I'd argue that Smith and Spaling -while not quite as good - are good enough and allow us to ice Bourque or Yip.

That said, Trotz has coached a lot more hockey than I have and if he thinks it's best to manage it down to that level, so be it. However, I'd be a lot more comfortable with it if Poile got us another scorer (let alone a top3) so that we rolled more scoring potential for the nights we ice Smitty.

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All of our forwards forcheck, a lot of our forwards play good defense, and wasn't penalties killed without him in the line up? And our record is better without him in the line up... Expendable.
The win/loss stat lately is the one that stands out in my mind. IIRC They've lost the 2 games when he played in the last month or so. Off the top of my head those loses have also come against VAN and PHI. So is it Smithson, or the level of talent of our opposition?


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