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Rene Bourque OR Michael Cammalleri?

View Poll Results: Who would you rather be on the Habs?
Rene Bourque 219 81.72%
Michael Cammalleri 49 18.28%
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02-08-2012, 10:31 PM
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for all we know, the rep he has isnt the we think he does...

it's two more years at SEVEN Mil...
Say what you want, but this league will recycle guys because of what they did some years ago.

Cammy in a sellers market where top 6 forwards are a rarity, signed for 2 more years, would've netted better. Of that I'm sure. The team just tried to save the season and get rid of someone who wasn't welcome anymore.

I'm not sure, all things considered, they could've legitimately kept him until the deadline, but that trade wasn't great value. Decent value.

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Sorry....but I'll take a hard working, physical 6'3 winger like Bourque over a soft, overpaid primadonna like Cammalleri anyday of the weak!!!
You tell me when we get that out of the Cammy deal.

Until then, I'll watch a soft, uninterested 6'2 winger like Bourque who has half his points by deflections off body parts.

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02-08-2012, 10:55 PM
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Say what you want, but this league will recycle guys because of what they did some years ago.

Cammy in a sellers market where top 6 forwards are a rarity, signed for 2 more years, would've netted better. Of that I'm sure. The team just tried to save the season and get rid of someone who wasn't welcome anymore.

I'm not sure, all things considered, they could've legitimately kept him until the deadline, but that trade wasn't great value. Decent value.



You tell me when we get that out of the Cammy deal.

Until then, I'll watch a soft, uninterested 6'2 winger like Bourque who has half his points by deflections off body parts.
Bourque scoring dirty goals is exactly why we traded for him... And he's not soft.

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02-08-2012, 10:58 PM
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Bourque scoring dirty goals is exactly why we traded for him... And he's not soft.
Soft might've been a strong word.

Far from gritty better defines him.

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02-08-2012, 11:04 PM
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Say what you want, but this league will recycle guys because of what they did some years ago.

Cammy in a sellers market where top 6 forwards are a rarity, signed for 2 more years, would've netted better. Of that I'm sure. The team just tried to save the season and get rid of someone who wasn't welcome anymore.

I'm not sure, all things considered, they could've legitimately kept him until the deadline, but that trade wasn't great value. Decent value.



You tell me when we get that out of the Cammy deal.

Until then, I'll watch a soft, uninterested 6'2 winger like Bourque who has half his points by deflections off body parts.
except for the 6'2 part, sounds a lot like Cammy... other difference being the salary...

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Until then, I'll watch a soft, uninterested 6'2 winger like Bourque who has half his points by deflections off body parts.
He has more points with half the cap hit than the soft, uninterested 5'9 winger they got him for.

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02-08-2012, 11:15 PM
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except for the 6'2 part, sounds a lot like Cammy... other difference being the salary...
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He has more points with half the cap hit than the soft, uninterested 5'9 winger they got him for.
Not once did I say Cammy was worth keeping or doing better.

I said I strongly doubt we couldn't have gotten better in the coming weeks considering there's so few sellers/top 6 forwards available.

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02-08-2012, 11:37 PM
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I think the other 2 years left on the deal was a hindrance for other teams to want to deal for Cammy, not an asset. If he was an impending UFA, a contender could have had the option to resign or cut him loose. This way, they're stuck with him.

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02-08-2012, 11:46 PM
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I think the other 2 years left on the deal was a hindrance for other teams to want to deal for Cammy, not an asset. If he was an impending UFA, a contender could have had the option to resign or cut him loose. This way, they're stuck with him.
Considering Cammy's rep and stuff like the Cogs deal to Anaheim, I'm not so sure.

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02-08-2012, 11:57 PM
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I think the other 2 years left on the deal was a hindrance for other teams to want to deal for Cammy, not an asset. If he was an impending UFA, a contender could have had the option to resign or cut him loose. This way, they're stuck with him.
Good thing we took on Bourque who has 4 years left on his deal.

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Soft might've been a strong word.

Far from gritty better defines him.
Bourque has 62 hits compared to 11 for Cammalleri...
Cammy has more giveaways (28) than takeaways (16) while Bourque has more takeaways (27) than giveaways (23).

While Bourque is far from perfect, he is a hell of an upgrade over Cammy who wasn't producing... for cheaper.

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02-09-2012, 12:06 AM
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Say what you want, but this league will recycle guys because of what they did some years ago.

Cammy in a sellers market where top 6 forwards are a rarity, signed for 2 more years, would've netted better. Of that I'm sure. The team just tried to save the season and get rid of someone who wasn't welcome anymore.

I'm not sure, all things considered, they could've legitimately kept him until the deadline, but that trade wasn't great value. Decent value.



You tell me when we get that out of the Cammy deal.

Until then, I'll watch a soft, uninterested 6'2 winger like Bourque who has half his points by deflections off body parts.
Good idea, keep him longer so he can not score goals and drop his value. Or maybe get injured so we can't deal him at all. That is really smart gamble to maybe get a slightly better pick. That is called a "high risk low reward" move and most smart GMs tend to avoid them.

Bourques actually has some grit so it is already an improvement and he is out producing Cammy without riding Iginlas coattails, imagine that! Soft! That is a laugh, I remember him standing up just fine for himself in the washington game.

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Good thing we took on Bourque who has 4 years left on his deal.
Heaven forbid we got a 25-30 goal scorer for 3.3 million, will the river of tears ever end?

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02-09-2012, 12:35 AM
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don't particularly care for Bourque, not a bad player but not much of an impact except for the odd burst of production he puts together from time to time.

similar to Kost in that regard, though I like Kost's "unproductive" game much more than Bourque's, he at least uses his size to play physical in most games. Bourque tends to float a lot more.

I think if Bourque's name was bourquov, he would be the target of a lot of abuse/stereotyping... plays the game exactly like the "soft euro" label implies despite his relatively large frame.


that said, I much prefer having him @ 3.3M$, than Cammy @ 6M$

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02-09-2012, 12:45 AM
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Bourque is far from perfect but he earns his contract far more than Cammy did for the past 2 years.

Bourque isn't particularly committed and he doesn't play a smart game but he can do a little of everything. Hardly the worst guy to have out there. Doesn't seem to have the attitude issues either, though I could be wrong there. Low maintenance 20 goal scorers who go to the net hard and sometimes hit don't grow on trees. I'd take Kostitsyn over him easily but that's not the question.

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I think if Bourque's name was bourquov, he would be the target of a lot of abuse/stereotyping... plays the game exactly like the "soft euro" label implies despite his relatively large frame.
I sometimes wonder what people would think if Kostitsyn's name was Keith MacGregor instead. Good olde Canadian boy from Saskatchewan that hits like a freight train?

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I sometimes wonder what people would think if Kostitsyn's name was Keith MacGregor instead. Good olde Canadian boy from Saskatchewan that hits like a freight train?
what is there to wonder about?


in the past 2 years, at 1.75-1.25M$ less of a caphit, Kost has produced offensively almost identical to Gionta.

now I know the little guy brings "intangibles", and is the better pure goal scorer, but the clearly greater negative comments directed to Kost over Gionta highlights the double standard, and the inherent prejudice many fans feel towards foreign (especially slavic) players.

Some of the same people who try to argue that Gionta isn't overpaid, that it's just market value, will persist til their blue in the face that there is NO WAY Kost get a penny over 4M$, and that if he does, it's a travesty.


pure b.s.

Kost is a solid asset, especially at his cap hit. If he hits UFA, he'll score a pretty sizeable contract, and will lose his "value" status, but even then, there is still the possibility that he achieves a bit of a breakthrough in the next 1-3 years and progresses from a 45-50pt guy to a 60+ guy...

i hope we manage to lock him up for a few years at or around 4M$, theres a better chance he takes a step forward than that he takes a step back, imo.

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I don't see Kostitsyn ever "breaking out" and magically turning into a PPG player but he's not necessarily seen his peaks yet either. I think he could still potentially get 30 goals at some point, I wouldn't expect much more than that but I really hope he returns, he has produced with every C except Gomez.

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Not once did I say Cammy was worth keeping or doing better.

I said I strongly doubt we couldn't have gotten better in the coming weeks considering there's so few sellers/top 6 forwards available.
Cammy is on pace for a "Gomez like" season...

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I think the other 2 years left on the deal was a hindrance for other teams to want to deal for Cammy, not an asset. If he was an impending UFA, a contender could have had the option to resign or cut him loose. This way, they're stuck with him.
And that's why it was so clearly a loss in the trade for the Flames. And man, am i getting sick and tired of hearing about what Gauthier could have gotten for the players he's traded. Just let it go. I feel like no matter how good Eller and Bourque do here, we'll always hear about what we could have gotten, because a few GM's didn't know the players were available, bla bla bla. I know he's an unlikable guy, but besides the Kaberle deal, he's made some good deals.

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I don't see Kostitsyn ever "breaking out" and magically turning into a PPG player but he's not necessarily seen his peaks yet either. I think he could still potentially get 30 goals at some point, I wouldn't expect much more than that but I really hope he returns, he has produced with every C except Gomez.
Kostitsyn has still yet to play a whole season with a top center. Until that happens, I don't see why you would trade him. To replace him with who? Another winger that can't produce because of the same problem? There's a reason everyone seems to play well with Desharnais; he's the closest thing we have to a top shelf center. Eller may get there one day, and Plekanec is what he is, a decent second line center.

If I'm management this year, I trade Moen, Campoli and maybe Gill at the deadline. Gomez you send to the minors next year. Plekanec you try to deal over the next year or two for a veteran defensive D, someone like Hamrlik but younger. Draft a top line center and pray he pans out. That's the plan.

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Kostitsyn has still yet to play a whole season with a top center. Until that happens, I don't see why you would trade him. To replace him with who? Another winger that can't produce because of the same problem? There's a reason everyone seems to play well with Desharnais; he's the closest thing we have to a top shelf center. Eller may get there one day, and Plekanec is what he is, a decent second line center.

If I'm management this year, I trade Moen, Campoli and maybe Gill at the deadline. Draft a top line center and pray he pans out. That's the plan.
this...

Also Bourque trade was won by the Habs for all the posted reasons it's abundantly clear now.

The prospect and 2nd rounder tip the scales dramatically

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Heaven forbid we got a 25-30 goal scorer for 3.3 million, will the river of tears ever end?
hahahah!




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Not once did I say Cammy was worth keeping or doing better.

I said I strongly doubt we couldn't have gotten better in the coming weeks considering there's so few sellers/top 6 forwards available.
It's pretty hard to judge a trade on what might have been. No one knows what might have been, it could have been better and it could have been worse. Who knows?
What we can judge a trade on is the results. Did we give up more than gained, did we break even or did we gain more than we lost.

In this case, it is pretty hard to say that we gave up more than we gained. At least so far, this trade has been far from a bad one for the Habs. That is judging the trade on its merits rather than on what might or might not have happened.

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Neither ?

I would have prefered a 1st round pick than Bourque...

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do it for a full game!!!

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Neither ?

I would have prefered a 1st round pick than Bourque...
1- Calgary would've not been under salary cap. They are 2.5 millions over the cap without Bourque. (saved by IR)
2- Why Calgary wouldve traded a 1st for Cammy + having Bourque with their team. Cammy's cap is bad enough to not be a 2nd round pick

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