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(Phi) Schenn - (Win) Bogosian

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02-09-2012, 05:49 AM
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Did you really highlight giroux?
Fixed that for you.

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02-09-2012, 06:31 AM
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No thanks from the Jets to the deal in the OP

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02-09-2012, 06:56 AM
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I'd pull the trigger in an instant. Bogosian has improved, but he still has major "Ohnosian" moments.

He will never live up to his draft hype. #3 defenseman potential.
When is the last time you watched a game? There is no way Jets trade Bogosian. He is already their top shut down d-man and looking like he will develop into # 1 as his offensive develops. Untouchable other than for massive over payment, and no one wants the thread to go there.

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02-09-2012, 07:38 AM
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If the Jets ever had any interest in trading Bogosian he would've been traded by now and I'm pretty sure the Jets would've wanted more than what's being offered up here.

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02-09-2012, 08:13 AM
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I believe Bogosian would have a lot of interest around the league given his play and potential. How many teams are looking for a potential number 1 and would offer a package worth more than that?

If Bogo were on the table you'd probably see a combination of high end resources. 1st round pick, very highly rated if not blue chip prospect, good roster player and maybe even more.

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02-09-2012, 08:31 AM
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Jets have no reason to move Bogosian. If they're not selling, I hope the Flyers aren't overpaying to get him on the table.

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02-09-2012, 10:06 AM
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We have enough centers. We need wingers, RW specifically.

Realistically if the Flyers or anyone else wants Bogo it'll take a big overpayment anyway.
Realistically, if the Jets or anyone else wants Schenn, it'll take a big overpayment.

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02-09-2012, 10:24 AM
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He will never live up to his draft hype. #3 defenseman potential.
#3 potential? He's a #3 right now. 23:44 TOI, on pace for 35 points this year.

To the original post, I'd actually consider trading him for an impact forward, but I'd probably be looking for a point-producing right winger.

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02-09-2012, 10:25 AM
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Couturier, Giroux and Schenn are untouchable. Don't even care for who unless it's the biggest overpayment of all time.
A year ago Mike Richards was the most "untouchable" player on HF.

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02-09-2012, 10:30 AM
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Couturier, Giroux and Schenn are untouchable. Don't even care for who unless it's the biggest overpayment of all time.
Giroux is untouchable because there is no one else in the league that matches his value--if value is determined by production and cap hit.

Couturier and Schenn are key building blocks, core players, but they aren't untouchable.

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02-09-2012, 10:36 AM
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Its funny if i would have posted this exact trade this time last year...
LA (Schenn) - Atl (Bogosian) when Bogo reportedly wanted out of Atlanta....I doubt there would have been a single person who would be ok with giving up Schenn for him....how quickly times change here on HF boards..

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A year ago Mike Richards was the most "untouchable" player on HF.
Uhh, it wasn't expected that he'd be traded, but he was far from the most untouchable player in the league.

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02-09-2012, 10:39 AM
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Couturier, Giroux and Schenn are untouchable. Don't even care for who unless it's the biggest overpayment of all time.
Flyers used to think the same about Carter and Richards, just saying.

In reality they're not going to give those players away, but if the right deal came along that was fair for both sides, one of them would be moved. I think Schenn would go before Couturier though.

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02-09-2012, 10:42 AM
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Uhh, it wasn't expected that he'd be traded, but he was far from the most untouchable player in the league.
There was no speculation of Crosby or Ovie getting traded. People laughed when it was reported Mike Richards could be on his way out of Philly.

Carter wasn't surprising.

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I keep saying "Phil Schenn" in the thread title lol.

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02-09-2012, 10:55 AM
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If Bogo were on the table you'd probably see a combination of high end resources. 1st round pick, very highly rated if not blue chip prospect, good roster player and maybe even more.
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02-09-2012, 11:01 AM
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Uhh, it wasn't expected that he'd be traded, but he was far from the most untouchable player in the league.
Uhh, not according to Flyer's fans at the time.

And now guys like Coutourier and Schenn are deemed "untouchable", who've proven so much less than Richards had.

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02-09-2012, 11:08 AM
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Winnipeg gets ripped off

Schenn is so overrated. Should be a good second line centre but not worth a number 1 D
Exactly. Schenn and Couturier and JVR are the most overrated players in the NHL.

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02-09-2012, 11:13 AM
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Also, how exactly do Flyer fans expect to get their top pairing D they want when everyone besides 4th line players and bottom pairing D are untouchables?

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02-09-2012, 11:14 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that Schenn's projected ceiling was basically Mike Richards a very good second line centre that can play in all situations?

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02-09-2012, 11:19 AM
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Also, how exactly do Flyer fans expect to get their top pairing D they want when everyone besides 4th line players and bottom pairing D are untouchables?
Flyers want a Proven #1 dman. This is the reason we all do not want to trade our potential top end talent for another potential top end talent. We would include them in the right deal.... just not for Gardiner or Bogo. Those players often don't get traded anyway unless they ask out somehow or for a proven all star/stud type player.

We want Suter or Weber but they aren't available so I personally would hold onto all of our young "2nd line material" prospects.

B Schenn has 1st line talent. Anyone saying that isn't possible is a Flyers hater or is trolling. I have said it a million times, he has all the tools to become one. He is playing in his first season as a NHLer this year and people base their judgement off that. Let him get comfortable and adjusted to this high level for at least 82 games before we even make harsh predictions on what the kid can and can not do


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02-09-2012, 11:21 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that Schenn's projected ceiling was basically Mike Richards a very good second line centre that can play in all situations?


I too remember that comparison. I could be wrong, but I thought it was Bob Mackenzie who stated that during Schenn's draft year.

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02-09-2012, 11:22 AM
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Also, how exactly do Flyer fans expect to get their top pairing D they want when everyone besides 4th line players and bottom pairing D are untouchables?
That's a bit unfair, isn't it?

At most, Flyers fans list Giroux, Couturier, and, occasionally and I think wrongly, Schenn, as untouchable.

Even if you accept that premise, which I, as a Flyers fan, don't, that still leaves JVR, Voracek, Read, Simmonds (roster forwards under 23 years old), Coburn and Mez (serviceable, young top-4 defenseman under contract for multiple years), and as many 1st or 2nd round picks as are needed to complete deals (since the Flyers have historically shown little reluctance to move picks).

I wouldn't want to put too many of those assets in one package, but to suggest, somehow, that fans are only leaving bottom-pairing defensmen and 4th liners on the table is a little silly.

Personally, I think Schenn is easily on the list above, as assets available for a 1D. Couturier I am more inclined to hold on to--I think his blend of size, skill, and hockey sense make for a much higher ceiling than Schenn--at worse, I believe, he will become a 50-60 point, shut-down defender; at best, a bona fide 1C (with Giroux on his wing). I wouldn't say he's untouchable either--but it would have to be an awful special young defenseman.

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I too remember that comparison. I could be wrong, but I thought it was Bob Mackenzie who stated that during Schenn's draft year.
It's a common comparison, though I've never completely understood it. I think Schenn has far more natural offensive talent than Richards, but will never be his equivalent defensively.

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