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02-09-2012, 09:51 PM
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What exactly do you want Lombardi or Sutter to do to get Kopitar to get his ass off the boards and take the puck into the middle of the offensive zone. Do you think they want him on the boards 99% of the time?

Yeah, Kopitar accounts for 50% of next to nothing, that's great.
Kopitar plays the system to a tee; just like he's told to do.


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Richards has not played well since he got his bell rung. That must be management's fault as well though, right?
It's managements fault for acquiring and overrated player, with limited offensive upisde, whose best days are likely behind him, and then surrounding him with garbage.

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No, we need to be equally critical of everyone. What does that mean? It means that so-called stars must act like stars. But it means also that supporting cast must act like supporting cast. Does supporting cast act like supporting cast? It does not.

Besides, I thought that top line was quite ok, they could have easily scored at least one more goal in first period, not to mentioned that the amount of time they kept the puck in offensive zone kept the danger away from their own goalie. If you watch the first period again, you should notice that top line played exactly like we want them to play, Kopitar included.
Matched up against Mike Weaver most of the night they should have scored 2 or 3 goals. No maybe's about it. They just didn't get the job done.

Daryl Evans explained it quite well during the first intermission saying the Kings dominated the play territorially, but they did nothing with it. It does no good to dominate by keeping the puck in the other team's zone if you aren't going to get shots off from the prime scoring areas.

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On a bright note I just ate a bowl of pork fried rice before realising it had been in the fridge for atleast 7 days

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02-09-2012, 09:53 PM
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Matched up against Mike Weaver most of the night they should have scored 2 or 3 goals. No maybe's about it. They just didn't get the job done.
Mike Weaver......

I am still lost for words.


The Panthers hardly skated in the third. They back WAYYYYYYYY OFFF. Their foot was not even close to the pedal.

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On a bright note I just ate a bowl of pork fried rice before realising it had been in the fridge for atleast 7 days
prepare your angus, Penner's revenge will be coming for you

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Kopitar plays the system to a tee; just like he's told to do.



It's managements fault for acquiring and overrated player, with limited offensive upisde, whose best days are likely behind him, and then surrounding him with garbage.

Bull****!! There isn't a system in hockey that calls for shooting from the perimeter all the time.

Richards wasn't looking limited at all until he was injured. What's Anze's excuse for his 20 game slump?

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02-09-2012, 09:55 PM
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It's managements fault for acquiring and overrated player, with limited offensive upisde, whose best days are likely behind him, and then surrounding him with garbage.
Wow, those are some pretty strong words that put your opinion in direct opposition to many hockey minds far better than yours...

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02-09-2012, 09:57 PM
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Wow, those are some pretty strong words that put your opinion in direct opposition to many hockey minds far better than yours...
Like GM's haven't made mistakes before?

I'm in favor of the Richard's trade and a huge fan but you have to admit for whatever reason (injury, linemates, whatever), his play has left a lot to be desired.

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02-09-2012, 09:58 PM
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Dear Tim, do us a favor and just worry about getting your football team.
That is probably what he is doing. If he were actually paying attention to the Kings maybe there would have been some significant changes instead of replacing one "Lombardi Stye" coach with another "Lombardi Style" coach.

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Is anyone still watching the entire games anymore?
It's a struggle. And this is from someone who has missed maybe 20 games over the past 15 years or so. This is the most boring Kings team since those post finals teams in the mid 90's.

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My conclusion: there will be no next season for Dean, and he will not be allowed to mix things up. The next two weeks will tell us whether or not that's the case.
You mean you don't want to put the guy who brought in Jarret Stoll and Dustin Penner and paid them 7.2 million this year in charge of finding their replacements?

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I don't know what this has to do with Kopitar being more assertive in the offensive zone, but okay.

We as fans need to stop blaming the supporting cast and start being more critical of the so-called stars.
It's hard when there is no one else, Kopitar is essentially the Rick Nash of the West Coast. Mike Richards is a solid all around hockey player but he is not the sniper the Kings have needed for years. Kopitar has struggled but Dean has cheated him, how many other star players in the league don't have another star caliber forward on their team?

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02-09-2012, 10:00 PM
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How can you guys blame the players for this? Dustin Penner, Mike Richards, and Simon Gagne don't start sucking overnight. It's the system.

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02-09-2012, 10:02 PM
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It's hard when there is no one else, Kopitar is essentially the Rick Nash of the West Coast. Mike Richards is a solid all around hockey player but he is not the sniper the Kings have needed for years. Kopitar has struggled but Dean has cheated him, how many other star players in the league don't have another star caliber forward on their team?
Nice to see you back.

Richards, good enough for Team Canada, but certainly not a star calibre forward? C'mon.

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How can you guys blame the players for this? Dustin Penner, Mike Richards, and Simon Gagne don't start sucking overnight. It's the system.
Richards was the Kings' best forward until he got concussed. He still isn't right. I don't care what he says.

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02-09-2012, 10:04 PM
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Richards has been awful.

But still I view him more as a playmaker. He needs Wingers that can at least put shots on net. Richards might be the best passer on the team.

Stoll has really got to go.

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The Kings made one attempt to pass the puck to a guy in the slot tonight and guess what happened......a goal!

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How can you guys blame the players for this? Dustin Penner, Mike Richards, and Simon Gagne don't start sucking overnight. It's the system.
Now is it the system from Murray? Did Murray implement defense so much that it's messed up the young players offensive development like Kopitar and Brown? In my opinion it has more to do with that.
All Murray did was focus on the defensive part of the game, that it took away from the offensive game. There's no creativity from the players that have the offensive talent. None whatsoever.

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02-09-2012, 10:11 PM
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Richards has been awful.

But still I view him more as a playmaker. He needs Wingers that can at least put shots on net. Richards might be the best passer on the team.

Stoll has really got to go.
Exactly. Richards has been bad, but he is an all around good player. Problem is, he's not so dynamic that he's going to make magic with Penner and Stoll. Why that line continues to be put together I have no idea.

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How can you guys blame the players for this? Dustin Penner, Mike Richards, and Simon Gagne don't start sucking overnight. It's the system.
This is quite possibly an understatement. Add Frolov, Doughty and Brown to that list as players that are affected by this system.

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Kopitar sure loves the perimeter, for 6.8 million i love how he works the boards so effectively, and not only that he back checks, for 6.8 and just running a perimeter seems too pricey, call me crazy, but whats this thing called center lane drive. woah

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Now is it the system from Murray? Did Murray implement defense so much that it's messed up the young players offensive development like Kopitar and Brown? In my opinion it has more to do with that.
All Murray did was focus on the defensive part of the game, that it took away from the offensive game. There's no creativity from the players that have the offensive talent. None whatsoever.
Exactly. The players are afraid to take risks in the offensive zone. So what if we turn the puck over once in awhile trying to get the puck into the slot? You have to take offensive risks or you won't score. Dean Lombardi's stupid motto of "we don't want to change our game, we want to add to it" doesn't work, because under the system, there's not much you can add to the offensive part, even with great players. The system we have is more for young, developing teams going through a rebuild. What's the point of acquiring all this talent if they're not allowed to use their offensive skills. It's pointless.

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Matched up against Mike Weaver most of the night they should have scored 2 or 3 goals. No maybe's about it. They just didn't get the job done.

Daryl Evans explained it quite well during the first intermission saying the Kings dominated the play territorially, but they did nothing with it. It does no good to dominate by keeping the puck in the other team's zone if you aren't going to get shots off from the prime scoring areas.
Yeah, it doesn't work like that. We can find hundreds of examples when Kings inferior players managed to hold top line to one goal or less. Hundreds.

Besides, Weaver and Garrison are Panthers' top dmen when it comes to quality of opposition. It's their job. I don't see any reason at all to talk like that about Weaver. Yeah, so he is not an AS player, but many posts mentioning him have gone over the line of reason IMO.

I don't like excuses for anyone and that includes Kopitar AND Richards. You don't like excuses for Kopitar only, that's fine. I believe that over the years you have just been frustrated with him too much, so that is why you are becoming slightly biased against him, compared to some other players. It happens.

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Exactly. The players are afraid to take risks in the offensive zone. So what if we turn the puck over once in awhile trying to get the puck into the slot? You have to take offensive risks or you won't score. Dean Lombardi's stupid motto of "we don't want to change our game, we want to add to it" doesn't work, because under the system, there's not much you can add to the offensive part, even with great players. The system we have is more for young, developing teams going through a rebuild. What's the point of acquiring all this talent if they're not allowed to use their offensive skills. It's pointless.
It's so obvious too, Kopitar backchecks so much, Year one kopitar didn't take ****, he went and did it all. But Kopitar is too defensive. Everyone fears screwing up

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Does anyone know the where-abouts of this man?
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Exactly. The players are afraid to take risks in the offensive zone. So what if we turn the puck over once in awhile trying to get the puck into the slot? You have to take offensive risks or you won't score. Dean Lombardi's stupid motto of "we don't want to change our game, we want to add to it" doesn't work, because under the system, there's not much you can add to the offensive part, even with great players. The system we have is more for young, developing teams going through a rebuild. What's the point of acquiring all this talent if they're not allowed to use their offensive skills. It's pointless.
I don't buy that.

If the system was such a problem. Players like Penner and Stoll in (Contract years). Would be asking for trades out of LA.

Cause it is ruining any value those guys have. Penner especially. By staying in this system Penner is costing himself Millions on his next contract(if that were true).

Ditto for Stoll. Maybe those two guys just don't care.

But Jack wouldn't have signed here probably. Drew would have wanted a trade as well. Justin would not have signed an extension.

I think it's more than just X's and O's.


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Does anyone know the where-abouts of this man?
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Is that Zues making that awesome pass in the slot on the door step ?

Rub more salt in the wound please.

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