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02-10-2012, 02:17 PM
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Pleks never had someone in front of him playing the other teams top lines and all. I love DD but Plekanec is a much more complete and better hockey player

and you go on to say were too small, well DD is smallest of the gang
DD has the heart of a lion, and shows up when it counts, contrary to Plek. Where was he when we were still in the playoff race? He dissapeared and has is biggest slump of the season

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02-10-2012, 02:18 PM
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We need to get bigger at center so we need to keep DD.

DD is a better center than Plekanec.

The mind boggles.
same amount of points right now
Pleks -14, DD +10
Pleks = Czech, DD = French Canadien



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02-10-2012, 02:19 PM
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The ideal center situation would be:

1- True big number one center
2- DD
3- Eller
4- Rugged depth center

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DD has the heart of a lion, and shows up when it counts, contrary to Plek. Where was he when we were still in the playoff race? He dissapeared and has is biggest slump of the season
Dude please go away. Plekanec has been our best forward in the past couple of years. Him and Cammalleri were our 2 best forwards in the playoffs, Plekanec shut down the Krejci line last year better then any other team they went on to face after us. Steve Begin also had a heart of a lion....

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ya but then again, looking at the poster does it really surprise you?
Not really, no. If DD was called David Johnson I don't believe for a second we'd be having this conversation (we'd probably be talking about how to trade the smurf Johnson while his value is high to get bigger).

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Dude please go away. Plekanec has been our best forward in the past couple of years. Him and Cammalleri were our 2 best forwards in the playoffs, Plekanec shut down the Krejci line last year better then any other team they went on to face after us. Steve Begin also had a heart of a lion....
Plekanec always has been terrible in the playoffs, even called himself a girlie

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Plekanec always has been terrible in the playoffs, even called himself a girlie
Plekanec was bad that year we got swept, he wasn't the only one but at least admitted it. Has been our best in the past 2 years. DD has been playing good hockey for a couple of months and because of that you're willing to move our best forward, please

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Not really, no. If DD was called David Johnson I don't believe for a second we'd be having this conversation (we'd probably be talking about how to trade the smurf Johnson while his value is high to get bigger).
Dd has made both Patch and Cole 25+ goal scorers..... He makes his winger better, not the case with Plekanec

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Dd has made both Patch and Cole 25+ goal scorers..... He makes his winger better, not the case with Plekanec
Yes DD makes those 2 better

The fact that Erik Cole and Max Pacioretty drive to the net is because of DD. Good one!!!

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Plekanec was bad that year we got swept, he wasn't the only one but at least admitted it. Has been our best in the past 2 years. DD has been playing good hockey for a couple of months and because of that you're willing to move our best forward, please
Our best forward?? Man what are you smoking i need me some . Patch and Cole and DD have been our best forward this year, Plek is 4th in scoring and -15. He has been terrible

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Our best forward?? Man what are you smoking i need me some . Patch and Cole and DD have been our best forward this year, Plek is 4th in scoring and -15. He has been terrible
Our best forward in the past 2 seasons prior to this one. Oh and by the way you do know that Pleks and DD are tied in pts this year despite DD playing with better wingers right? Please

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Veterans are underrated by this team. People do act like a player is on the downswing the minute he passes 25.

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Not really, no. If DD was called David Johnson I don't believe for a second we'd be having this conversation (we'd probably be talking about how to trade the smurf Johnson while his value is high to get bigger).

Sounds like someone doesn't much care for francophones

Do you really discount DD to this level? Or are you just being sarcastic?

The complete discounting of traditional statistical measures-is absurd. DD is the best passer on this squad by a wide margin. He is going to be a leading point producer on the team. He has the best +/- among forwards (and that +/- has been diminished by being on the ice for a few SHG against as well as ENGs against). MP and EC's productivity are not wholly independent of DD. They each say so. Max Pac has been touting DD since the day he was called up. I'll take their words over others.

If the team trades DD for some 2nd round pick, it'll make the Gomez signing look decent. Oops, I forgot. A few on this board still cling to some absurd, esoteric statistical notions of Gomez being a valuable component of this team.

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Our best forward in the past 2 seasons prior to this one. Oh and by the way you do know that Pleks and DD are tied in pts this year despite DD playing with better wingers right? Please
Going into this season, very few would have rated Cole and MP above Gianta and Cammellari.

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Sounds like someone doesn't much care for francophones

Do you really discount DD to this level? Or are you just being sarcastic?

The complete discounting of traditional statistical measures-is absurd. DD is the best passer on this squad by a wide margin. He is going to be a leading point producer on the team. He has the best +/- among forwards (and that +/- has been diminished by being on the ice for a few SHG against as well as ENGs against). MP and EC's productivity are not wholly independent of DD. They each say so. Max Pac has been touting DD since the day he was called up. I'll take their words over others.

If the team trades DD for some 2nd round pick, it'll make the Gomez signing look decent. Oops, I forgot. A few on this board still cling to some absurd, esoteric statistical notions of Gomez being a valuable component of this team.
Nobody is saying that DD hasn't had a great season. It's moronic statements like "He's turned MaxPac and Cole into 25 goal scorers" that piiss people off and the constant bashing of European heart and soul player like Plekanec. DD is very creative and a great passer. But to say (over and over and over) that Plek is a dud and worthless to the team compared to DD is beyond moronic.

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Going into this season, very few would have rated Cole and MP above Gianta and Cammellari.
Patches was playing great before his injury last year and we all knew the talent was there. We signed Cole and were expecting 30 goals from him as well which he is on pace and it's not because of DD. Is DD playing great? Absolutely but it's not simply because of DD like the other dude is making it seem.

A couple of good months of DD and all of a sudden we are ready to trade Plekanec? Come on this team would never win the Cup IMHO with DD as the full time #2 center.

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Nobody is saying that DD hasn't had a great season. It's moronic statements like "He's turned MaxPac and Cole into 25 goal scorers" that piiss people off and the constant bashing of European heart and soul player like Plekanec. DD is very creative and a great passer. But to say (over and over and over) that Plek is a dud and worthless to the team compared to DD is beyond moronic.
Well you can try to ignore the fact, but anyone who knows hockey, know that he as been a dissapearing act we we counted on him. It has nothing to do with him being an European. Malkin is russian and has shown up in the playoff, Plekanec has not

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Patches was playing great before his injury last year and we all knew the talent was there. We signed Cole and were expecting 30 goals from him as well which he is on pace and it's not because of DD. Is DD playing great? Absolutely but it's not simply because of DD like the other dude is making it seem.

A couple of good months of DD and all of a sudden we are ready to trade Plekanec? Come on this team would never win the Cup IMHO with DD as the full time #2 center.
DD has won every where he played, was playoff MVP has well. This guy is a winner... Plek well, the jury his still out

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Do you really discount DD to this level? Or are you just being sarcastic?
Sarcasm really, just a caricature of the way Habs fans think sometime.

I like DD. I'm a sucker for players who succeed by being plain smarter than the people around them. He's a ridiculous bargain on that contract. But he's miscast as a second-toughs matchup center, and now we want to give him Plekanec's job?

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Well you can try to ignore the fact, but anyone who knows hockey, know that he as been a dissapearing act we we counted on him. It has nothing to do with him being an European. Malkin is russian and has shown up in the playoff, Plekanec has not
He had 5 pts in 7 games last year while shutting down Krejci and limiting the playoff leading scorer to 1 pts in the hole series. Now you're comparing him to Malkin. You're such a ....... Why don't you compare him to Semin ?????

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DD has won every where he played, was playoff MVP has well. This guy is a winner... Plek well, the jury his still out
What did he win? The Quebec Pee Wee tournament?

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For anyone who understands French and would like to listen to Dany Dubé's assessement of Plekanec, listen to this at the 11:00 minute mark.

http://www.985sports.ca/audioplayer.php?mp3=123575

For him, the untouchables are Price, Subban, Emelin, the DD line and Plekanec.

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Patches was playing great before his injury last year and we all knew the talent was there. We signed Cole and were expecting 30 goals from him as well which he is on pace and it's not because of DD. Is DD playing great? Absolutely but it's not simply because of DD like the other dude is making it seem.

A couple of good months of DD and all of a sudden we are ready to trade Plekanec? Come on this team would never win the Cup IMHO with DD as the full time #2 center.
JFYI, I'm not calling on trading TP. I wouldn't view him as "untouchable" for that matter.

Cole had averaged 22 goals per season in his preceding 3 healthy seasons. He averaged 16 ES goals per season during that time. He has 12 ES goals so far this year, but he got off to a slow start and he is scoring above his overall Montreal ES pace with DD as his center.

He also had the advantage of playing with the #1 center on Carolina's roster (Staal) during those years. In Montreal, he only gets to play with the #3 center (or is it #4) in DD

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Dude please go away. Plekanec has been our best forward in the past couple of years. Him and Cammalleri were our 2 best forwards in the playoffs, Plekanec shut down the Krejci line last year better then any other team they went on to face after us. Steve Begin also had a heart of a lion....
Make that past tense. Plek has not been all that good this year.....

Who do you think you are to tell others to go away just because they do not agree with you?

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For anyone who understands French and would like to listen to Dany Dubé's assessement of Plekanec, listen to this at the 11:00 minute mark.

http://www.985sports.ca/audioplayer.php?mp3=123575

For him, the untouchables are Price, Subban, Emelin, the DD line and Plekanec.
That is Danny's opinion....other differs. Danny was a decent coach but I never saw him as a particularity astute analyst......

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