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02-10-2012, 03:33 PM
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The thing about AK is he didn't look particularly good these days and he's getting very little ice time...it sucks that he is so sensitive and cannot perform when punished. Cannot perform when he feels unimportant. He is a sensitive soul.

He will probably benefit from playing on an offensive team...a team with great offensive centers.

As much as I'd love to keep the guy, I'm afraid he will be gone next year...

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02-10-2012, 03:43 PM
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Lets face it, Ak is not a go to guy!!! Would mind keeping him for say 3mill

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Might want to read this thread --> http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...ght=money+bomb that has him saying he's willing to take a discount to stay here. But why let facts get in your way.
He actually doesnt ever really say what he "thinks" he is worth. If he "thinks" he is worth 4.5 and is willing to take 4 for example, thats no discount. Thats overpayment. When he accepts 2.75-3 million to stay in Montreal, then i will believe his sentiments.

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Lets face it, Ak is not a go to guy!!! Would mind keeping him for say 3mill
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He actually doesnt ever really say what he "thinks" he is worth. If he "thinks" he is worth 4.5 and is willing to take 4 for example, thats no discount. Thats overpayment. When he accepts 2.75-3 million to stay in Montreal, then i will believe his sentiments.
Unfair to ask this...Have you ever seen a UFA make less as he did
as RFA , with no setback/injury history? Even with the hometown discount these
conditions don't seem prevalent. I honestly think 3.5-4M on 3-4 years is more then fair
for what he brings to the table.

For the record I strongly believe he will get resigned for 3 years for 11M.
Out of all the people that we got rid of during the quick-fix rebuild AK is one of the only ones left. He is generally liked by his teammates and plays in whichever role he is put in. 3.75 is more then fair for a guy that will give u 50+ points in a top 6 role & 40-50 pts in a top 9 role.

You have 25-35 pts players making 2.5-3M so I find it's unfair to ask this from his (or his agent).

P.N : If you plan on adding a rebuttal please provide facts and reasonable comparisons.


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02-10-2012, 04:06 PM
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Before JM got fired, he was using AK alot! Double shifting him sometimes and giving him alot of icetime...If I remember correctly he was even playing him on the point on the PP (I was surprised that JM was actually confident with AK's game)

Now that Cunneyworth became the head coach, I find he is using AK less and less. Hell...he even puts him on the 4th line...

I'd personally like to see him play on the top 6 with Pleks and Bourque instead of Darche. Or keep him with Eller and give them more icetime.

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15:56 with JM
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02-10-2012, 04:10 PM
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You guys need to realize that we currently have one 1st line and a 2nd line, that is a checking line made strictly to play against the top line. So Moen and Darche will get a lot of icetime. There aren't much left for the bottom 2 lines. If one line is hotter than the other one, it will get more ice time. Bourque plays on the PP (sometime) and PK, that's why he gets more ice-time than AK. I don't think Bourque has been that good lately compared to AK.

When/if Bourque-Gomez-AK develops a good chemistry, their ice-time will go up at around 17-18min.

At least, AK is not whining and accepts his role. Let's just hope his line will build a good chemistry. Then we can have a decent 2nd offensive line while Plek's line will concentrate on a defensive mission.

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Unfair to ask this...Have you ever seen a UFA make less as he did
as RFA , with no setback/injury history? Even with the hometown discount these
conditions don't seem prevalent. I honestly think 3.5-4M on 3-4 years is more then fair
for what he brings to the table.

For the record I strongly believe he will get resigned for 3 years for 11M.
Out of all the people that we got rid of during the quick-fix rebuild AK is one of the only ones left. He is generally liked by his teammates and plays in whichever role he is put in. 3.75 is more then fair for a guy that will give u 50+ points in a top 6 role & 40-50 pts in a top 9 role.

You have 25-35 pts players making 2.5-3M so I find it's unfair to ask this from his (or his agent).

P.N : If you plan on adding a rebuttal please provide facts and reasonable comparisons.
He is making 3.25 a year and so far has done nothing to deserve a raise. He is in the Clarke McArthur type of money. Or say Zubrus type range. Right now he is being paid what he should, a home town discount would bring you to around 3 million.

He hasnt been a 50 point player in 4 years now. So if you are paying for that, you are out of touch. He is a 40-45 point player max in almost any role he plays. Thats how GM's get themselves in trouble, paying a player for something they have only done once or twice in their career.

edit - if you want to factor the UFA status and tending to overpay, 3.5 market value, 3.25 home town.

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AK's days has a Habs are numbered and thank god for that, the lazyest player on the Habs right now
If you had any idea what you were talking about maybe someone would take you seriously. Every comment you make seems prove how little you really know.

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You guys need to realize that we currently have one 1st line and a 2nd line, that is a checking line made strictly to play against the top line. So Moen and Darche will get a lot of icetime. There aren't much left for the bottom 2 lines. If one line is hotter than the other one, it will get more ice time. Bourque plays on the PP (sometime) and PK, that's why he gets more ice-time than AK. I don't think Bourque has been that good lately compared to AK.

When/if Bourque-Gomez-AK develops a good chemistry, their ice-time will go up at around 17-18min.

At least, AK is not whining and accepts his role. Let's just hope his line will build a good chemistry. Then we can have a decent 2nd offensive line while Plek's line will concentrate on a defensive mission.
Plekanec a 5 millions $ defencive specialist

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02-10-2012, 04:28 PM
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If you had any idea what you were talking about maybe someone would take you seriously. Every comment you make seems prove how little you really know.
Are you saying he is a consistent hard worker?

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here is some players with stats
PAcioretty
(shifts, TOI, GP, G, A, pts +/-)
now 22.4 17:25 23 11 6 17 -2
before 22.6 17:29 29 11 13 24 +2


Cole
now 23.9 19:10 23 7 11 18 5
before 22.3 16:47 32 12 10 22 5

plekanec
now 26.5 20:12 23 5 7 12 -9
before 26.8 21:02 32 6 19 25 -5

DD
now 22.6 17:44 23 5 12 17 6
before 23.6 17:51 32 5 15 20 4

Kaberle

now 20.3 16:17 23 1 9 10 -2
before 21.7 17:29 3 0 4 4 0

Eller
now 20.3 15:23 22 9 3 12 1
before 20.0 14:54 30 2 7 9 3

in general, ice time havent really changed alot

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02-10-2012, 04:39 PM
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AK is a player that can play on any line and will produce at the same pace.

He's bouncing from the 2nd to 4th line but he's still on pace for the same production as his previous seasons. He is also 3rd in goal in his team while missing 10 games and only getting PP from time to time. He rarely plays with the same center for more than 5 games in a row. Hard to be consistent when you change line consistently... but I guess people will blame solely on AK for that but the reality is that except our 1st line, the rest of the players are inconsistent and their line keeps changing almost every 3-4 games.

With all the line changes and everything, AK still manage to keep his PPG rate at around 0.53. That's about the same in his past 4 seasons. So he is still pretty consistent in his production.

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Plekanec a 5 millions $ defencive specialist
Well, its not like his fault that he is good defensively. RC put him there because he is effective against the best line. I don't necessarly agree with that decision of putting Plek with Darche and Moen but so far, its a great defensive line that can create some quality scoring chances.

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The thing about AK is he didn't look particularly good these days and he's getting very little ice time...it sucks that he is so sensitive and cannot perform when punished. Cannot perform when he feels unimportant. He is a sensitive soul.

He will probably benefit from playing on an offensive team...a team with great offensive centers.

As much as I'd love to keep the guy, I'm afraid he will be gone next year...

As much as I hate to say this, AK would be extremely good playing for the Bruins. He loves to hit and would not be worried about retaliations for his hits. His confidence would skyrocket. And with that, so would his goal production.

AK has been completely misused by the Canadiens over the last couple of years.

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As much as I hate to say this, AK would be extremely good playing for the Bruins. He loves to hit and would not be worried about retaliations for his hits. His confidence would skyrocket. And with that, so would his goal production.

AK has been completely misused by the Canadiens over the last couple of years.
Bruins, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, Washington, Pittsburg are all teams I see AK fitting in quite nicely.

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Bruins, Philly, Chicago, Detroit, Washington, Pittsburg are all teams I see AK fitting in quite nicely.
You forgot Montreal

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As much as I hate to say this, AK would be extremely good playing for the Bruins. He loves to hit and would not be worried about retaliations for his hits. His confidence would skyrocket. And with that, so would his goal production.

AK has been completely misused by the Canadiens over the last couple of years.
He's also gotten little PP time with the PP struggling, why not use him off wing, he has a shot that can score from 30 feet, that would help stop teams from keying all their attention on the points.

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As much as I hate to say this, AK would be extremely good playing for the Bruins. He loves to hit and would not be worried about retaliations for his hits. His confidence would skyrocket. And with that, so would his goal production.

AK has been completely misused by the Canadiens over the last couple of years.
AK is already a steady 40-45 points player in our team with all the line changes and limited PP he has in a season. If a team trades for AK, they put him in a good spot for him to produce and feels appreciated. So I think he would easily be a 50-55+ pts player.

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AK has about as many shots and goals as Eller. He needs to shoot A LOT more than he does.

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He's also gotten little PP time with the PP struggling, why not use him off wing, he has a shot that can score from 30 feet, that would help stop teams from keying all their attention on the points.
It's mind boggling that neither coach has tried to utilize his heavy shot on the power play, and yet continue to send out the same 6 forwards who haven't been able to convert consistently.

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He just turned 27 years old.
I would definately sign him for a couple more years if not 3

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You forgot Montreal
If it was up to me i would resign him for 3-4 years 3.5-4 million a year.

I was so glad PG traded cammy and freed up some cap space to maybe resign AK.

But with the whole ice time limiting mr freckleface is doing, it will be harder for him to get a new contract with us now that he's not producing as much. I hope I'm wrong on that one!

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If it was up to me i would resign him for 3-4 years 3.5-4 million a year.

I was so glad PG traded cammy and free up some cap space to maybe resign AK.

But with the whole ice time limiting mr freckleface is doing, it will be harder for him to get a new contract with us now that he's not producing as much. I hope I'm wrong on that one!
True and all but AK, is much more valuable to this team then Mr. Freckleface.

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None of the upcoming unrestricted free agents will be signed... mark my words

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Kostitsyn is the only one that might

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