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02-10-2012, 10:04 PM
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The supposed asking price for Penner is a 2nd + prospect. Looking to free up cap space.
I'd be content with just a 2nd.

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The big question is does Lombardi deal him for less than that just to get something for him or keep him for the playoff run and the fact we are weak on LW and risk losing him for nothing...?

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The big question is does Lombardi deal him for less than that just to get something for him or keep him for the playoff run and the fact we are weak on LW and risk losing him for nothing...?
He's one of the reasons we're weak on the LW.

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Seriously? Is this from a credible source Telos?

I think Burke might bite. He has had Dustin before he may be one of those players like Moulson and Purcell that plays better in the East where it's not as fast. Kings have already paid most of that 4.5 million by Feb.
Apparently not, finally got a link from the guy and it comes from a twitter source who has no media credentials, so it is on the platform of Eklund.

Still, that seems very much like what we would be asking for. Probably something along the lines of D'Amigo and a 2nd.

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02-11-2012, 01:13 AM
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There are not enough sellers this deadline. The Kings should sell, Get some depth on the Wings + picks.

Try again next year.

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02-11-2012, 01:15 AM
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There are not enough sellers this deadline. The Kings should sell, Get some depth on the Wings + picks.

Try again next year.
You do realize that if the Kings sell for picks/prospects they won't contend for another 3 or 4 years, right?

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You do realize that if the Kings sell for picks/prospects they won't contend for another 3 or 4 years, right?
They aren't contending now ? what's the difference ?

You keep the core intact but get rid of the UFA. Use that for Depth on the wings.

It's called a Mini rebuild.

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You do realize that if the Kings sell for picks/prospects they won't contend for another 3 or 4 years, right?
Selling UFA's that are definatley not going to be here next season
Selling players that seem to be detrimental to this team going forward
Giving experience to players that MIGHT take us forward
tick tick tick

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Selling UFA's that are definatley not going to be here next season
Selling players that seem to be detrimental to this team going forward
Giving experience to players that MIGHT take us forward
tick tick tick
Bang on . Those UFA might land the Kings a Winger that is ready for the Show. Stuck behind Depth.

Do people really want to keep Stoll and Penner around ?

And yes Mitchell as well. The guy is Nails, But he is also 34. The Kings in my mind are not Elite (won't be next year). Get a nice Winger from a Contender that Needs D, Philly I am looking at you.

This deadline for some reason has No one selling.


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Wait, didn't NOT HELEN just say a couple of days ago that the Kings were poised to add two top six forwards at the deadline?

She has no clue.
She might have been right...


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02-11-2012, 01:38 AM
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They aren't contending now ? what's the difference ?

You keep the core intact but get rid of the UFA. Use that for Depth on the wings.

It's called a Mini rebuild.
A mini rebuild? Teams that do mini rebuilds become like the Calgary Flames. Mediocre all the time. Who wants that?

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02-11-2012, 01:40 AM
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A mini rebuild? Teams that do mini rebuilds become like the Calgary Flames. Mediocre all the time. Who wants that?
Now you are just grasping for straws. Since I smacked down, you thinking I meant the Entire team (sell). Does Calgary have a Core like or as young as the Kings?

Just admit you didn't understand what I meant. There is nothing wrong with that. Next time I will be more specific. I didn't clarify the Dead tires (Stoll and Penner).
Unless you really want to keep around the UFA that are not producing ? Or the subpar players in Richardson, Hunter....

I would also consider Willie Mitchell, He is 34. A contender like Chicago or Philly can use him. Both of those teams have nice Wingers they can afford to move.

For the record Mini rebuilds are like what Chicago did (After cup) and Philly(Richards, Carter). Not the full Rebuilds that never ended in (Columbus,Minny,PHX,ATL,.). ETC ETC.


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Very surprised to hear rumors of Mitchell extending. If I was on this team, overly defensive, no goals...no chance of contending at this point...if I was 34 with a concussion history, I'd look at my options in the offseason and lean toward something like Vancouver or somewhere closer to a cup, but money talks.

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Any interest in a move of Dustin Brown for Drew Stafford and Zack Kassian? You lose a big hitting winger with leadership qualities, but gain 2 guys, one who is a top-6 forwards, and one who is an up and coming top-6 forward with physicality and grit.

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Any interest in a move of Dustin Brown for Drew Stafford and Zack Kassian? You lose a big hitting winger with leadership qualities, but gain 2 guys, one who is a top-6 forwards, and one who is an up and coming top-6 forward with physicality and grit.
No, Brown is not an UFA. The Kings would never get the correct value for Brown back.

His cap hit is small for what he brings. Despite some posters bashing him. Brown (other than Kopitar) has been the Kings most consistant Forward over his years as a King.


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"hey edmonton needs a goalie, say maybe something like magnus pajaarvi and a 3rd rounder for steve bernier of the LA kings Report this comment!"

that was the 1st comment on trade center..
Why would would give edmonton JB if there fans don't even know his name?
Isn't steve bernier a center in FLA or something

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Very surprised to hear rumors of Mitchell extending. If I was on this team, overly defensive, no goals...no chance of contending at this point...if I was 34 with a concussion history, I'd look at my options in the offseason and lean toward something like Vancouver or somewhere closer to a cup, but money talks.
Maybe he thinks more of this group than some of the folks here do.

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Maybe he thinks more of this group than some of the folks here do.
Maybe he should watch video of their last game. In fact I heard the rumor before the game, maybe after that game, he's re-thinking it.

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02-11-2012, 02:48 AM
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MPS would be a great pickup for this team. Edmonton has a ton of forward depth and needs defenseman and goaltending badly. That guy can snipe and is always around the net. A 20 year old with plenty of skill and potential.

Hickey for MPS?

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Hickey for MPS?
sure but not realistic. Maybe if MPS was a full two seasons older and in the same position. I really wouldnt be paying too much for MPS, though his game looks to suit L.A's current style. Big, can skate, defensive and cant score

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sure but not realistic. Maybe if MPS was a full two seasons older and in the same position. I really wouldnt be paying too much for MPS, though his game looks to suit L.A's current style. Big, can skate, defensive and cant score
Sorry, but Hickey for MPS is exactly the kind of deal that Dean should be looking to make. Sure he is unproven, but he has talent and potential. The Kings need to add some depth on the wing. They are going to have to develop one or two young players to do it. Better start by acquiring one or two now.

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Jeff Carter: the Perfect fit for the Kings and their chance to make a playoff splash

A history of the last 5 seasons of the Philadelphia Flyers and Why Jeff Carter is the perfect fit for the LA Kings
by: Trevor Rocco

The L.A. Kings are looking for scoring, that is a given. The Kings have been consistently in the bottom of NHL team scoring for quite a few seasons now. To their defense, they have one of the best defense (no pun intended) core and goaltending core in the league which have kept them in the playoff hunt for the last two or three seasons.
A lot has been said about Jeff Carter and the Columbus Blue Jackets recently. As the worst team in the league, the Blue Jackets are struggling in every department and are a team far off from the playoff potential of 2009.
The Kings are looking for scoring, Carter can score. Those are the givens, but a lot is being said about Carterís attitude, locker room presence and consistent play. Kings fans, and a lot people around the league are skeptics, but I, however, am not. For me to explain why Carterís supposedly cancerous locker room attitude and other potential problems are overly media hyped, were going to need to backtrack a little bit.
In 2005, after his team (The OHLís Greyhounds) were eliminated from playoff contention, Carter joined the Philadelphia Phantoms for 21 playoff games, where he recorded 23 points and helped the team to a Calder Cup (Mike Richards was also on this team, recording 15 points in his 14 games). The following season both Carter and Richards made the Flyers out of training camp. At the same time, John Stevens, the model of consistency for the phantoms coaching staff (4 playoff appearances and 1 calder cup in his 5 years) was promoted to head coach of the team. The two players were a bright spot on an otherwise horrendous season for the Flyers. However, the following season the Flyers would be a huge surprise in reaching the conference finals under John Stevens coaching styles, as Richards and Carter became a model of consistency. With this came contract extensions and a captaincy for Richards as it looked like the future of the Flyers had arrived. For a while, things were great. Although they were eliminated from the playoffs early, the next season, Carter recorded 84 points including a whopping 46 goals. Carter and Richards were 1 and 2 in team scoring and Stevens was thought to be in contention for coach of the year after an amazing bounce back from 2006.
Enter Chris Pronger. In an attempt to add defensive depth, Chris Pronger was brought in the next season in a blockbuster trade that sent young forward Joffrey Lupul back to Anaheim in return. The team looked as if it was the heavy favorite for a cup winning season. However, any time a team with a very young captain adds someone with the experience and leadership that Chris Pronger brings to a locker room there is a setup for trouble. At this point the media had begun to spin stories of Richards, Carter, Lupul and Umberger (the flyers youth core) in a negative way, saying that they had too much of a party life style. Richards went on record to say that the media had spun these stories negatively and were reading into things that werenít there (This isnít a Dennis Rodman/Kobe Bryant/Tiger Woods sized problem, obviously whatever lifestyle they were living did not interfere with career years and a captaincy for Richards, as well as the coaching staff having no complains). Up until this point the entirety of both Richards and Carterís careers were coached by John Stevens. They knew his system and were obviously succeeding in it, however, Mike Richards lead-by-example leadership and his young age were not going to mesh well with noted outspoken media dynamo and born leader in Chris Pronger. When the 2009-2010 season started off slow for the flyers (13-11-1) it was obvious that a problem of leadership was the reasoning. The media pounced and once again tried to attribute blame to Carter and Richards lifestyle outside of the rink. It seemed however, that their were two different styles meshing here. That is the wanted direction of the ownership to win now through veteran leadership (ie Chris Pronger) and the player favorite, quiet winning style of John Steven and Mike Richards. Unfortunately, the GMís hold all the power in a situation where changes may be in need for a struggling team, and after a hard fought but troublesome 5 game loosing streak, the past successes of John Stevens were no longer impressive to the big guys upstairs as he was let go for the likes of Peter Laviolette. The team struggled mightily under Laviolette at first both as a result of learning a new system and the devastation of the teammates in the loss of the leader who helped them go from the bottom of the league to top contenders. Richards and Carter were among those most heavily affected due to their long history with Stevens. However, things picked up under Laviolette as Carter and Richards helped to turn the season around as the Flyers ended up on the doorstep of a championship, showing the coaches, management and organization that they cared and would do whatever they could to help the team and organization succeed. However the management would prove that they didnít feel the same way about them. The 2010-2011 season would see the flyers miss best-in-the-east by just 1 point. An injury saw Carter miss the majority of the playoffs and with Richards not matching the point per game pace of Briere and Giroux, the Flyers took an early exit. After all the effort and success from the young core of the Flyers over the past 5 years, by the summer of 2011, everyone was gone. Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were the last dominoes to drop from a youthful roster that was the talk of the NHL just a few years before (ie Mike Richards, Jeff Carter, R.J. Umberger, Joffrey Lupul, Scottie Upshall, Joni Pitkanen, Dennis Seidenberg, Patrick Sharp, Antero Niittymaki and of course John Stevens [most of which were members of the 04-05 calder champs]). A combined 23-year $117 million contract extension in their early careers were traded away within hours of each other when Carter went to Columbus and Richards to LA.
Within a MATTER OF HOURS two consistently amazing players who believed that their next TEN YEARS would be spent with the Flyers organization a team that is known consistently as winners (partially because of their factors in the organization), and where they had spent their first six successful years together, would be shipped out.
No surprise, at least from my point of view, that Jeff Carter would refuse to speak to the media for the following weeks.
Jeff Carter saw his contract transferred to the Columbus Blue Jackets, a team whose future was in question and were attempting to make a big splash before next season. It was a failure. With the additions of Carter and Wisneiwski the question around the league was, would it be enough? And with major injuries and underperformance the Blue Jackets would find themselves at the bottom of the league, by a lot, just before the trade deadline. Unfortunately, things couldnít or canít be much worse for Jeff Carter.
On the flip side Richards was sent to the LA Kings who, with off season moves and signings, were looking for a last bump to put them into the pacific division and western conference elite. His season too, has been plagued by injury and lack of consistency with the new club. His season however is still salvageable on a team that could use a change or some help up front.
And thus we have a perfect storm. The LA Kings are scrambling to plug the holes in the sinking ship that can be helped. The Blue Jackets are swimming in the ocean looking for a new boat. The storm is coming on the open seas and in a perfect world, the LA Kings would see Jeff Carter swimming alone in the ocean and send out a life preserver. With successful moves the LA Kings can have their positives from the last few seasons success and add to it the success and potential that the Flyers once had. The Kings have the opportunity right now, to reunite what was once successful in Philly: Carter, Richards and John Steven (currently assistant coach). Carter and Richards have played successfully together (692 points in 914 games played for the Flyers alone), and their most successful under John Stevens. I argue that their is no reason to attribute any validity to locker room issues, attitudes and inconsistencies for Carter as management issues were the real problem. Some say his cap hit is too large and its length, until 2022, is too long, but for LA, even the potential of having a 60+ point/30+ goal scorer is well worth the 5.27 million they take on with his contract. Heres what happens with Jeff Carter for the rest of this season if he signs with LA: he can have the ability to move from the worst team in the league to a playoff contender, to reunite with his team mate and coach with whom he was most comfortable and successful, and to prove to the team that abandoned him that they made the wrong choice. In this perfect scenario, the former 40 goal scorer will be more motivated and excited to play than he ever has in his career.

LA Kings organization, itís your move.

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Hey man,
Sorry for not being clear. By saying the trade was totally unrealistic i was meaning PRV would gather more than just Hickey and a pick. I wouldnt want to risk paying that price for a player who is not going to be a true goalscorer. We should be bugging Tampa Bay or Florida if you know what I mean
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Sorry, but Hickey for MPS is exactly the kind of deal that Dean should be looking to make. Sure he is unproven, but he has talent and potential. The Kings need to add some depth on the wing. They are going to have to develop one or two young players to do it. Better start by acquiring one or two now.

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I see you used alot of big words.... I didnt read it but I gave you an A+ anyway
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I'll wait for the summary.

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