The list contains all defensemen from 78 to present who achieved at least one first place vote or two top-3 votes in any given year
I agree with Sturminator's reasoning and tried to keep his standard when possible. Two exceptions:
1) When extending the records backwards, we only have points totals, not complete voting records. When only point totals were available, I included all defensemen who received at least 2 voting points.
2) With expanded voting records in modern times, I changed the standard to include all defensemen who achieved at least one first place vote or two top-3 votes AND any defenseman who finished ahead of them in total points. Example: 2008-09 Norris voting.
#
Player
Team
PTS
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th
1
Zdeno Chara
BOS
1034
68
36
18
4
0
2
Mike Green
WSH
982
50
53
19
4
4
3
Nicklas Lidstrom
DET
733
14
34
58
19
8
4
Shea Weber
NSH
186
0
4
11
25
28
5
Dan Boyle
SJ
173
0
2
4
38
25
6
Duncan Keith
CHI
95
0
2
4
14
19
7
Andrei Markov
MTL
95
0
1
9
10
13
8
Mark Streit
NYI
29
0
0
1
5
9
9
Brian Rafalski
DET
27
1
0
0
4
5
10
Scott Niedermayer
ANA
27
0
0
3
2
6
11
Dennis Wideman
BOS
24
0
0
2
3
5
12
Dion Phaneuf
CGY
17
0
0
2
2
1
13
Sheldon Souray
EDM
16
0
1
1
1
1
Sturm's original standard worked for seasons in which writers only voted for the top 3. But with votes down to top 5, it doesn't make any sense to me to exclude Mark Streit, who actually appeared on more ballots than the 5 guys under him who do meet the original standard.
Here is the data, sorted alphabetically. I believe we have full records for every season since the Norris was first awarded in 1953-54, except 1954-55 (only top 6) and 1976-77 (only top 5).
It's so interesting seeing the dominant Dman per era (via the vote)....
Doug Harvey - Early 50's to the 60's Pierre Pilote - 60's to the Late 60's Bobby Orr - Late 60's to Mid-70's Dennis Potvin - Mid 70's to Early 80's Ray Bourque - Mid 80's to Late 90's Nik Lidstrom - Late 90's to Present Day....
I wonder if future eras will be as cut'n'dry as these recent ones...
Like are we moving on the verge of the Shea Weber era for the next decade?
Or will there be a massive shuffle like the Art Ross of the last decade or so?
I don't think i presently see one Dman seizing it really as in the next perennial Norris finalist/and occasional winner for the next 8ish yrs...
Maybe Weber honestly...
Maybe Keith...
But one guy i didn't think of... but he consistently gets votes and could win one day.. especially if Washington craps the bed soooooo badly without him and if they return to elite level with him... Mike Green. If he turns out to be the straw that stirs the Washington drink... it can't be ignored... The Green Era may be upon us. At least it sounds environmentally friendly...
I took the list and filtered for Active players:
Who do you guys see as a perennial finalist/occasional winner for the next 8-10 yrs??
It's so interesting seeing the dominant Dman per era (via the vote)....
Doug Harvey - Early 50's to the 60's Pierre Pilote - 60's to the Late 60's Bobby Orr - Late 60's to Mid-70's Dennis Potvin - Mid 70's to Early 80's Ray Bourque - Mid 80's to Late 90's Nik Lidstrom - Late 90's to Present Day....
I wonder if future eras will be as cut'n'dry as these recent ones...
Like are we moving on the verge of the Shea Weber era for the next decade?
Or will there be a massive shuffle like the Art Ross of the last decade or so?
I don't think i presently see one Dman seizing it really as in the next perennial Norris finalist/and occasional winner for the next 8ish yrs...
Maybe Weber honestly...
Maybe Keith...
But one guy i didn't think of... but he consistently gets votes and could win one day.. especially if Washington craps the bed soooooo badly without him and if they return to elite level with him... Mike Green. If he turns out to be the straw that stirs the Washington drink... it can't be ignored... The Green Era may be upon us. At least it sounds environmentally friendly...
I took the list and filtered for Active players:
Who do you guys see as a perennial finalist/occasional winner for the next 8-10 yrs??
I think Kelly has to take early 50s here , 4 consecutive 1st place should be enough to give an '''era''
Wouldn't it be smarter to have this as a sticky/at least have a link to it somewhere visible on the history of hockey forum if anywhere? I guess all the info is available in the award voting topic but extracting data from it can be somewhat of a pain, considering how unorganized it is.
Wouldn't it be smarter to have this as a sticky/at least have a link to it somewhere visible on the history of hockey forum if anywhere? I guess all the info is available in the award voting topic but extracting data from it can be somewhat of a pain, considering how unorganized it is.
Wouldn't it be smarter to have this as a sticky/at least have a link to it somewhere visible on the history of hockey forum if anywhere? I guess all the info is available in the award voting topic but extracting data from it can be somewhat of a pain, considering how unorganized it is.
At one point, someone said he was making a spreadsheet of all the awards data on the HOH board. Guess it fell through. I could post this thread on the HOH board, but I think it's a lot more likely to fall through the cracks on that board, which is much more active than this one.
I really don't want to sticky this thread on the HOH board by itself, if we end up with too many sticky threads, it becomes a mess.
At one point, someone said he was making a spreadsheet of all the awards data on the HOH board. Guess it fell through. I could post this thread on the HOH board, but I think it's a lot more likely to fall through the cracks on that board, which is much more active than this one.
I really don't want to sticky this thread on the HOH board by itself, if we end up with too many sticky threads, it becomes a mess.
Yeah, I can see that another sticky in HOH probably isn't a great idea. But I do think this thread is nice resource when it comes to conversations on that board, and it is currently pretty hard to find for those not in the ATD circles. How about a link in the first post of the award voting topic that leads here? Or maybe it's enough if someone just references this topic in some way there.
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Originally Posted by BenchBrawl
nothing , Im just curious who you are , seems strange to be in this particular section after 10 posts.
I wasnt really replying to your post.
Okay, well I'm a long time (few years) lurker who is interested in the history of the game, and after finding out about the ATD through the HOH boards I've been following the draft/bios here to learn more. Perhaps even preparing to participate in the future
At one point, someone said he was making a spreadsheet of all the awards data on the HOH board. Guess it fell through. I could post this thread on the HOH board, but I think it's a lot more likely to fall through the cracks on that board, which is much more active than this one.
I really don't want to sticky this thread on the HOH board by itself, if we end up with too many sticky threads, it becomes a mess.
I have a spreadsheet - it's not perfect, but it's a good starting point. A few cautions:
1. I only have total voting points rather than the vote breakdown (i.e. it doesn't show number of first, second, third, etc place votes).
2. It hasn't been updated in a while - not sure if it has results before 2009, and if any historical results have been dug up over the past few years, it's probably not inclduded in the spreadsheet.
That being said, if anybody wants a copy, PM me, I'm sure it would be useful as a starting point (no sense in someone entering all the data from scratch).
Okay, well I'm a long time (few years) lurker who is interested in the history of the game, and after finding out about the ATD through the HOH boards I've been following the draft/bios here to learn more. Perhaps even preparing to participate in the future
Good to hear. The ATD is awesome, but, well...wear a helmet.
Typo?
