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02-12-2012, 06:53 PM
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holy shmoly

Perry with a hat trick
but 10 shots in 2 periods

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I'm trying to "get over it", but if the Rangers go all the way (I'm betting on them getting exposed in the playoffs, their offense really doesn't impress me) they better send a thank you card to Gainey. Not only is McD looking really good, but without that cap space their offense would be even more underwhelming.



The Rangers don't scare me, healthy or not, they haven't outplayed us in a while. Boston has had great luck with injury and with or without Horton it's the same story, we've lost to them but they never dominated us, even in the Cammalleri gongshow.

The fact remains few teams in the east scare me. For some reason the one team I completely write off winning against right now is the Caps despite looking bad against everyone else. If Crosby and Malkin were both healthy than the Pens would be another story, but it's been a long time since we have seen that
As I said before, "scared" isn't the operational word. Let's turn it around. The Habs have a losing record and don't "scare" anyone except insecure fans of other teams.

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02-12-2012, 07:29 PM
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Timmins was fuming after the deal. Gainey clearly didn't ask him if it was wise to include McD in the deal.

Gainey panicked. I dread the fact Gauthier might have told him Gomez was a player worth giving a blue-chip prospect on defense.

Yes, they are that dumb. Everyone could see it was stupid at the time, now it just looks beyond idiotic. That should've been a fireable offense for all involved.
FACT? Blow it out of your tunnel. You don't know beans about what went on.

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Sutton 1 year extention in Edmonton, another D off the trade market

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Holy **** nice, went for dinner, it was 2-1 TBL against the Pens. Come back its 4-2 Pens, go Pens go! (did I just say that?)

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02-12-2012, 07:48 PM
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FACT? Blow it out of your tunnel. You don't know beans about what went on.
There was an article after the trade where Timmins was pissed off about McD being dealt.

Either Gainey didn't ask him or he asked him and thought that it was a good idea to trade it. The latter is actually worst, so you're not exactly doing a good job of hanging on the org's balls here.

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02-12-2012, 08:15 PM
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For all the talk about how Gauthier is the worst GM ever for resigning Markov, Holmgren made a far more risky gamble going into this year expecting Pronger to continue to lead their D. As great as Pronger was every single part of him has been breaking down going into this season, and without him their D is pretty soft. If any team will be desperate for Gill it's them, because right now they can't stop a nosebleed. Teams get to their net at will.

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There was an article after the trade where Timmins was pissed off about McD being dealt.

Either Gainey didn't ask him or he asked him and thought that it was a good idea to trade it. The latter is actually worst, so you're not exactly doing a good job of hanging on the org's balls here.
Wonder if Timmins would've been even more pissed if Gainey traded Subban in a package for Lecavalier instead. People like you are unreal. Gainey delt with a necessity and no matter who Gainey got, he would've traded a prospect to get a center because no one suitable was available on the market, so no matter what, Timmins would've ended-pissed because one of his talents would get traded.


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As I said before, "scared" isn't the operational word. Let's turn it around. The Habs have a losing record and don't "scare" anyone except insecure fans of other teams.
The habs have a history of pulling upsets and boston is a joke of a team that we can beat if we even have half a lineup. Rangers and bruins want nothing to do with the habs, go look up the rangers record playing in Montreal lol

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Dustin Penner is a healthy scratch tonight according to kings fans. Man this guy is slowly become irrelevant.

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For all the talk about how Gauthier is the worst GM ever for resigning Markov, Holmgren made a far more risky gamble going into this year expecting Pronger to continue to lead their D. As great as Pronger was every single part of him has been breaking down going into this season, and without him their D is pretty soft. If any team will be desperate for Gill it's them, because right now they can't stop a nosebleed. Teams get to their net at will.
Not even close.

It would be the same if Holmgren signed Pronger to a 3 year deal next year.

Pronger was a beast last year, was Holmgren supposed to know that he'd take a puck to the face this year? Silly comparison.

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Dustin Penner is a healthy scratch tonight according to kings fans. Man this guy is slowly become irrelevant.

LAK SCRATCHES: T. HUNTER, D. PENNER, D. DREWISKE
DAL SCRATCHES: S. SOURAY, J. DOWELL, A. PARDY


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Not even close.

It would be the same if Holmgren signed Pronger to a 3 year deal next year.

Pronger was a beast last year, was Holmgren supposed to know that he'd take a puck to the face this year? Silly comparison.
It was pretty clear Pronger's career was a ticking time bomb. Of course they weren't going to ditch him considering how good he is while healthy, but instead of throwing tons of money at Bryzgalov and stockpiling forwards they should have considered upgrading their defense.

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It was pretty clear Pronger's career was a ticking time bomb. Of course they weren't going to ditch him considering how good he is while healthy, but instead of throwing tons of money at Bryzgalov and stockpiling forwards they should have considered upgrading their defense.
How you compare this to Gauthier signing an injured dman to a lucrative 3 year deal is beyond me.

He will find a Dman...and I can tell you he won't be in the mold of Kaberle or Campoli.

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Wonder if Timmins would've been even more pissed if Gainey traded Subban in a package for Lecavalier instead. People like you are unreal. Gainey delt with a necessity and no matter who Gainey got, he would've traded a prospect to get a center because no one suitable was available on the market, so no matter what, Timmins would've ended-pissed because one of his talents would get traded.
So basically, Gainey would've gladly burned this team to the ground for any type of short term gain?

But that's besides the point. The point was, at the time of the deal, everyone knew Gomez was like a hot potato for the Rangers. We ended up paying what would be either the best or second-best defenseman on this team right now. At 22 years old.

'People like you'. Seriously man, you're trying to justify a bad deal the time it was time, to a horrific monstrosity that's going to scar this franchise for quite some time.

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02-13-2012, 01:25 AM
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Timmins is the head scout of amateur scouting.
Gauthier was Gainey's right hand man. You're kidding yourself if you think Gauthier wasn't involved. But to which level? That, we'll never know.
exactly, we'll never know...

hey! when asked about it by BG his awnser may have been something like "dont do this Bob"...

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So basically, Gainey would've gladly burned this team to the ground for any type of short term gain?

But that's besides the point. The point was, at the time of the deal, everyone knew Gomez was like a hot potato for the Rangers. We ended up paying what would be either the best or second-best defenseman on this team right now. At 22 years old.

'People like you'. Seriously man, you're trying to justify a bad deal the time it was time, to a horrific monstrosity that's going to scar this franchise for quite some time.
everyone knew... but BG NEEDED Gauthier's report on the player... right ?

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I believe the Ex-Habs thread includes prospects too

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everyone knew... but BG NEEDED Gauthier's report on the player... right ?
Gomez's situation and the player's skill are 2 different matters. Hard to understand?

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For all the talk about how Gauthier is the worst GM ever for resigning Markov, Holmgren made a far more risky gamble going into this year expecting Pronger to continue to lead their D. As great as Pronger was every single part of him has been breaking down going into this season, and without him their D is pretty soft. If any team will be desperate for Gill it's them, because right now they can't stop a nosebleed. Teams get to their net at will.
and Gill helps this situation...how? Hes THE number 1 dman in the league speedsters have NO problem getting by...

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So basically, Gainey would've gladly burned this team to the ground for any type of short term gain?
Present term imperative is not Gainey's prerogative, nor Gauthier's, it's the owners.


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No it's not. It's called pragmatism.

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The point was, at the time of the deal, everyone knew Gomez was like a hot potato for the Rangers. We ended up paying what would be either the best or second-best defenseman on this team right now. At 22 years old.
A hot potato who had garnered the most points in the playoffs for them in the few seasons he spent there. Who had the 2nd most points on the team in those few seasons. That hot potato had 50 points in his last 50 playoff games when he got traded (most of which were with the Rangers).

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'People like you'. Seriously man, you're trying to justify a bad deal the time it was time, to a horrific monstrosity that's going to scar this franchise for quite some time.
Stop being overdramatic and exagerating to try and make a point. It just shows you base your opinion on emotions rather than fact and that you feel your arguments don't have the weight you wish they had so you need to add fiction to them.

If you could just get it into the little fuzzy head of yours that I'm not trying to justify anything. What I do is look at everything there is to look at to analyze a situation, and the facts disagree with a lot of what you said.

The fact remains that Gainey was pursuing a centerman, as he wanted to replace Koivu. No matter your outlook on at, the only clue you have about that decision is that Gainey wanted to change the leadership core and that meant letting go of the captain, as he said so himself. That captain was also a top 2 centerman, so you needed to had leadership, but also needed to replace Koivu as a centerman, leadership and centerman not being mutually exclusive. Once you get to this point, there were two choices; UFA market, or trade market. The former had huge limitations because there weren't any prime centerman with experience and with FA you're never sure if you'll be able to sign the player you're looking for, if that player is there to start with. The latter offered more solutions, but at a cost. The true and only cost was McD, who wasn't our best prospect at the time. As for the leadership, there were more choices on the UFA market, because leadership isn't exclusive to one position.

Did I ever say I like the trade? No. But I don't react to it like other people do. Most Pro GMs are pragmatic by nature. There's a whole series of questions and steps of logic they pass through before they make decisions, and the decision to change Koivu wasn't bad at all

And that contract will not 'scar' this franchise. The two years remaining to Gomez's contract will be tradeable and then there's the matter of the new CBA, who knows what that is going to entail, but one certainty is, the NHL will not further shackle the teams that CAN spend for players. Since you like to go into huge leaps of logic, here's one for you : Without Gomez leading our team in points between January and April 2010, there wouldn't be any playoffs that year, and that means Halak's stock wouldn't have rose to that level, making him less desirable on the market, hence not being able to fetch us Eller who will do the complete opposite of 'scaring' our franchise.

The point of that is, in the model used by the Habs (playoffs imperative) they need to constantly have measures of success so they can have a turnaround/upgrade of their players. Without a proper centerman for that season, you don't get that big of a result for key players you want to use to upgrade your team. To have that measure of success, you need to fill in key positions, no matter if it costs you a little more than you'd like.


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Sather must of been doing cartwheels in his office when he was able to dump Gomez. Add to it he managed to pry away McDonagh is highway robbery.
Yes, while we (Rangers fans) didn't really know much about McDonagh when we learned he was coming back for Gomez, the popular sentiment before the deal went down was that we would likely have to sweeten the pot to get someone to take Gomez off our hands. That we only lost Pyatt and Busto, and also got Higgins, McDonagh and Valentenko was shocking. Ryan was basically a throw in as far as we knew. I'm still not sure why you dealt him, but I had heard he was drafted as an offensive defenseman, but his offense wasn't coming along as expected. Perhaps that made him expendable if there was any truth to that rumor? Regardless, the deal was really a double win for the Rangers, as it gave us McDonagh and it cleared the necessary cap space to sign Gaborik. That said, you win some and you lose some. We Rangers fans still lament taking Hugh Jessiman in 2003 with Parise/Getzlaf/Kesler/Richards/Perry still on the board...and taking Bobby Sanguinetti 21st in '06 only to see Giroux selected by Philly one pick later. Sometimes you never know what you are giving/getting.

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This stupid discussion comes up every time McDonagh plays a good game, maybe we can open up a specific topic just about McDonagh. We've already gone through all the variables of the trade a million times.

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This stupid discussion comes up every time McDonagh plays a good game, maybe we can open up a specific topic just about McDonagh. We've already gone through all the variables of the trade a million times.
This. We get it. McD is good and will only get better. It was a horrible trade and everyone wishes it never happened. It did though so let's try to move on.

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