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02-12-2012, 04:38 PM
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Well, to be fair, Konopka does throw punches more often than not.

On the negative side, he usually fights in the first 5 minutes of any game, like he's getting it out of the way, or like it's some part of his contract he wants to put on the books.

At that point in the game, it really doesn't do anything for momentum, so most of his fights are pretty useless.

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02-12-2012, 04:56 PM
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Hahaha look at all the people saying he's "useless" so many people here wanted him to sign with Toronto when he was a FA

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02-12-2012, 05:36 PM
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Hahaha look at all the people saying he's "useless" so many people here wanted him to sign with Toronto when he was a FA
I wanted him for the 4th line.. not gonna lie.. would still take him if I got the chance.

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Who cares about Konopka?

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02-13-2012, 12:23 AM
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Sorry for trolling. But that just made me laugh a little. Konopka is pretty useless. But the Leafs have gotten a little softer than they used to be.

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02-13-2012, 12:39 AM
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We are a softer team than we used to be.

But really, Konopka? Most have pointed it out correctly - as useless as Colton Orr.

We want to win hockey games, not battle royales.

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02-13-2012, 12:40 AM
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I never wanted Konopka. We need actual hockey players.

These types of threads about us being soft only happen when we are losing. Having a goon go out and fight another goon will not help us out in a hockey game.

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02-13-2012, 12:45 AM
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I never wanted Konopka. We need actual hockey players.

These types of threads about us being soft only happen when we are losing. Having a goon go out and fight another goon will not help us out in a hockey game.
And a part of playing hockey is having tough players that will stick up for your skilled players and not let your team play like a bunch of wussies like we have plays for almost two months now. I'm not the biggest fan on Konopka but if you think our team does not need toughness then you don't understand hockey, sorry.

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02-13-2012, 02:04 AM
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If there was one thing some of the postseason losses against the Leafs taught me;
- if your size & toughness are concentrated on the 4th line and bottom pairing... you don't have either.

Size and toughness need to be playable to matter. The Leafs top-3 lines are quite small and soft compared to the rest of the league. The size and toughness you need, has to be 2-3 guys on the top-3 lines (2 guys - if Army could ever stay healthy).

Konopka... He's an elite face-off man, he seems to fit in well with his teamates and he'll do anything for the team, but he's not an NHL center, the timing of his fights don't create energy and he takes too many penalties. If he were a face-off taking LW, who got in half as many fights and took half as many penalties; he'd be one of the most valuable 4th liners in the league. But the undisciplined guy I see now who is playing center all too often? ... That guy is a negative on a playoff team, IMO.

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Fighting and hitting is overrated. Extremely overrated


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The team plays softer than a peewee team.
I coach a peewee team, and we're not as soft as the Leafs. Of course, we do have Zenon Konopka's nephew...

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I really wouldn't call half of those 'fights'

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Fighting and hitting is overrated. Extremely overrated
Tell that to the Bruins... or the Rangers... or the Flyers...

Scott Hartnell was the best player on the ice during the loss to Philly, and it's not because of his overwhelming speed and dazzling skill.

Same thing applies to Milan Lucic. Or David Backes in St Louis.

Seriously, can't you see what Gary Roberts brought to this team? Or are you too young to even know?

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Tell that to the Bruins... or the Rangers... or the Flyers...

Scott Hartnell was the best player on the ice during the loss to Philly, and it's not because of his overwhelming speed and dazzling skill.

Same thing applies to Milan Lucic. Or David Backes in St Louis.

Seriously, can't you see what Gary Roberts brought to this team? Or are you too young to even know?
Best team in the league sure doesnt fight a lot.

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Best team in the league sure doesnt fight a lot.
The Rangers are a very tough team. Even if they don't fight that often, they are very tough and aggressive.

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The wings are the best team in the league.

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The wings are the best team in the league.
They might not even be the best team in their division.

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Hahaha look at all the people saying he's "useless" so many people here wanted him to sign with Toronto when he was a FA
For his FO ability, yes. However; he has no grit, and Boyce over a
full season could probably out point him, and did last season.

I won't really have to say grit != fighting?

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The wings are the best team in the league.
Ugh, the Bruins are the defending champs. They took over the Cup final when Thornton was put back into the lineup. From that point on they physically dominated Vancouver. It got to the point when Marchand punched Sedin repeatedly in the head, and not one single player did anything about it. It was the ultimate humiliation for Vancouver to see their superstar mistreated and disrespected like that.

The pevious year it was the Hawks who won it all (and they got past the Canucks largely because Byfuglien spent the entire series either parked on top of Luongo or running him over, and the Nucks had no one who could handle him).

Look at the top teams this year. Toughness, hitting, and yes...even fighting are a common trait among most of them.

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...and that's all Konopka can do. He's pretty useless.

But I don't like how soft our team is. At least we're not as soft as Montreal, though. I'm a big fan of tough hockey.

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Montreal is softer than us according to whom???

They walked all over us clueless

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Montreal is softer than us according to whom???

They walked all over us clueless
The whole team was garbage and played with no heart, "clueless". So who on the Habs is tougher than Brown, Phaneuf, Komisarek, Schenn, Rosehill? Travis Moen? Let me guess, it must be the gentle giant, Hal Gill. Sadly enough most of the Leafs can't even fight. Habs are worse.

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Ask his punching bag... Mike Brown.


A punching bag gets dominated repeatedly.

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A punching bag gets dominated repeatedly.
Youtube. I won't bother to embarrass you here.

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Youtube. I won't bother to embarrass you here.
You and I have differing opinions of what a "punching bag" is. Acting as if it's a Jim Kyte vs Dave Brown series or Nick Kypreos vs pretty much everyone. Embarrass me, haha!


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