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02-12-2012, 06:12 PM
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Imagine if Kimmo gets too heated by this team and opts to retire.

That would be fun.
You really think that defense would be more maddening than the current group? I have to admit that it's a bit of a shot in the dark, because it's hard to evaluate defensemen and I'm obviously not a professional talent evaluator.

GVT and point shares are pretty interesting, but I take them with a big grain of salt.

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02-12-2012, 06:38 PM
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Lubomir Visnovsky has averaged 57 points per 82 games since the lockout, but tends to struggle a bit with injury, averaging 71 games per year. He has 21 points, 37 hits and 49 blocks in 41 games this year. GVT doesn't like him this year, but his point shares are still pretty good.

He's 35 years old and listed at 5'10", 197 with a left-hand shot.

He has a $6.5 M cap hit this year and next, but only makes $3 M next season, potentially making him very attractive to a team trying to reach the cap floor this summer. Bringing him in may require some cap creativity.

He seems like a declining/injury-prone top pairing defenseman who could be had for a pretty cheap draft pick (the quote I heard was that Ducks weren't going to "just give him away"). What do people think about him?

I would be very intrigued.

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02-12-2012, 09:05 PM
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We really need D men and soon. Seriously, we have guys that will let the other team camp out in front of our goalies AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.

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02-12-2012, 09:13 PM
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We really need D men and soon. Seriously, we have guys that will let the other team camp out in front of our goalies AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
agreed!!! No one fears any of our D-man. We need a grossman and a Carkner. Carkner just to be the #6, big body, ***** disturber

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02-12-2012, 09:16 PM
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Could have used the Bryz contract on a top 5 D. Its going to kill us in the long run as now if we want somebody that isn't gonna be a "patch" we are going to have to give up some critical pieces of offense.

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02-12-2012, 11:24 PM
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I would still try to trade one of our 2nd round picks for Grossman. We are going to end up drafting a bum like Marshall anyway..

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02-13-2012, 01:00 AM
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Carle would be the best defender on the block. But, and there's a huge one with regards to Carle, any team wanting to acquire Carle will have to realize that he and his agent are seeking a significant pay day. They are looking at something similar to what Wisniewski signed with Columbus. I know that Carle's agent went to Holmgren with a 5 and 7 year proposal (5 years/$28 million, 7 years/$36 million) and both were rejected by Holmgren.

So, any team that looks into acquiring Carle will either need to clear cap space or the team that acquires him is going to be a team that are going to package maybe a B level prospect, but with future endeavors if they can sign Carle.
If you have an in did you hear anything about the Luke Schenn from Toronto? I would love to him on our team. Also with the talk about Carle's value, he has to be worth more than that. A playoff contender I think would be willing to move a late first this year for his services. Also if you have any info, who are the Flyers really targeting?

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02-13-2012, 01:52 PM
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Its more then just the dmen that need an upgrade. The forwards are brutal defensively too. I like the Richards + Carter trades but for all the praise Coots + Read get they are rookies and play like it. Simmonds and even Voracek can be brutal too.
I can't remember the last time I jave seen so many passes go through the box that lead to goals. These guys are all over the place.

This team is too young. I wouldn't go all in but they could make a couple of pick ups that would change the make uf the team.

TB - picks + low level prospect
PHI - Kubina + Hall
Kubina has size, good Shot and exper. Hall size solid Def and good on faceoffs.

COL/EDM - pick
PHI - sutton or SOB
If you think Kubina and SOB are going to change the makeup of the team, you're in for a rude awakening. We'll be worse.

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02-13-2012, 01:52 PM
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so this is a dumb question. is it possible for them to still sign Bryan Mccabe? to help or would he just be as useless as Matt Walker?

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Lubomir Visnovsky has averaged 57 points per 82 games since the lockout, but tends to struggle a bit with injury, averaging 71 games per year. He has 21 points, 37 hits and 49 blocks in 41 games this year. GVT doesn't like him this year, but his point shares are still pretty good.

He's 35 years old and listed at 5'10", 197 with a left-hand shot.

He has a $6.5 M cap hit this year and next, but only makes $3 M next season, potentially making him very attractive to a team trying to reach the cap floor this summer. Bringing him in may require some cap creativity.

He seems like a declining/injury-prone top pairing defenseman who could be had for a pretty cheap draft pick (the quote I heard was that Ducks weren't going to "just give him away"). What do people think about him?

I would be very intrigued.
no thanks

we'll let him decline and get injured on another team

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02-13-2012, 02:08 PM
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We really need D men and soon. Seriously, we have guys that will let the other team camp out in front of our goalies AND DO NOTHING ABOUT IT.
We need Pronger back. His ability to play dirty in front of the net and NOT get a lot calls is sorely missed.

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02-13-2012, 02:18 PM
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Lubomir Visnovsky has averaged 57 points per 82 games since the lockout, but tends to struggle a bit with injury, averaging 71 games per year. He has 21 points, 37 hits and 49 blocks in 41 games this year. GVT doesn't like him this year, but his point shares are still pretty good.

He's 35 years old and listed at 5'10", 197 with a left-hand shot.

He has a $6.5 M cap hit this year and next, but only makes $3 M next season, potentially making him very attractive to a team trying to reach the cap floor this summer. Bringing him in may require some cap creativity.

He seems like a declining/injury-prone top pairing defenseman who could be had for a pretty cheap draft pick (the quote I heard was that Ducks weren't going to "just give him away"). What do people think about him?

I would be very intrigued.
Small, overpaid, injury prone, old, with high cap hit PP specialist. Pass.

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Could have used the Bryz contract on a top 5 D. Its going to kill us in the long run as now if we want somebody that isn't gonna be a "patch" we are going to have to give up some critical pieces of offense.
I agree but blaming Homer for not anticipating Pronger getting his head whacked right into retirement does not help us either.

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The Pronger trade and the Bryz contract have combined in a perfect storm that will ass **** us for years to come.

It's maddening.

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02-13-2012, 03:00 PM
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If St Louis doesn't resign Barrett Jackman, what will his cost as an UFA be?

Not as an in season trade, but on July 1st?

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The Pronger trade and the Bryz contract have combined in a perfect storm that will ass **** us for years to come.

It's maddening.
I don't know about that. The Flyers are as good as any team when it comes to burying bad contracts.

If Pronger cannot play again he likely will not retire and will just ride out the rest of his career on the LTIR. They are during that to Lappy right now. I know Rathje was on the roster like 3 years after his last game played. Hatcher was LTIR'd also.

If Bryz does not come around they can bury him in the minors or loan him somewhere probably. The Rangers buried Wade Redden in the minors and the Blackhawks loaned Huet to some Swiss team to get rid of his cap.

There are a lot of loop holes in the system. Not everyone gets boned like the Islanders did haha.

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I don't know about that. The Flyers are as good as any team when it comes to burying bad contracts.

If Pronger cannot play again he likely will not retire and will just ride out the rest of his career on the LTIR. They are during that to Lappy right now. I know Rathje was on the roster like 3 years after his last game played. Hatcher was LTIR'd also.

If Bryz does not come around they can bury him in the minors or loan him somewhere probably. The Rangers buried Wade Redden in the minors and the Blackhawks loaned Huet to some Swiss team to get rid of his cap.

There are a lot of loop holes in the system. Not everyone gets boned like the Islanders did haha.
C'mo, Yashin's 2.2mm cap hit comes off in 2015. Not too shabby.

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02-13-2012, 05:39 PM
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too bad he is not coming here

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From talking to Luke Schenn last week and reading between lines, I think he would be happy w trade to #Flyers.

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too bad he is not coming here

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From talking to Luke Schenn last week and reading between lines, I think he would be happy w trade to #Flyers.
I might be in the minority but I would love him on the Flyers. It would be awesome to have the brothers together out there. I wouldn't want to give them JVR for him though. Maybe something around Read, Simmonds, or Voracek. But not JVR

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I might be in the minority but I would love him on the Flyers. It would be awesome to have the brothers together out there. I wouldn't want to give them JVR for him though. Maybe something around Read, Simmonds, or Voracek. But not JVR

i wouldn't give up any of them for him either

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i wouldn't give up any of them for him either
You have to give to get... Really you wouldn't trade read for Schenn? If that deal was presented I would take it in a heartbeat. I don't think Toronto touches that though.

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You have to give to get... Really you wouldn't trade read for Schenn? If that deal was presented I would take it in a heartbeat. I don't think Toronto touches that though.
they said they had a hard-on for big forward

give 'em sestito and a 1st rounder or something

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they said they had a hard-on for big forward

give 'em sestito and a 1st rounder or something
That offer is completely low balling the hell out of Schenn's value. He is only 22 and blocks a ton of shots and defends his net. He literally is exactly what we need and would be nice to have him for the next 10 years and watch him develop. I will never give up on a d-man until he at least is almost 30. They play a extremely tough position and have so much to learn and suck little time to develop by HFBoards standards.

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That offer is completely low balling the hell out of Schenn's value. He is only 22 and blocks a ton of shots and defends his net. He literally is exactly what we need and would be nice to have him for the next 10 years and watch him develop. I will never give up on a d-man until he at least is almost 30. They play a extremely tough position and have so much to learn and suck little time to develop by HFBoards standards.
people have said he's basically a 6th defensemen

how is a 1st round pick and big guy who hasn't looked that bad right now lowballing for that

maybe throw in a phantoms defensemen or something

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people have said he's basically a 6th defensemen

how is a 1st round pick and big guy who hasn't looked that bad right now lowballing for that

maybe throw in a phantoms defensemen or something
At times he has struggles this year, yes. Does that mean he isn't a good player, absolutely not. I would offer Simmonds, 2nd and a lesser prospect for him and a leaf lesser D prospect. Or just Simmonds and a 2nd for him.

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