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12-20-2011, 08:59 AM
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Kaberle was a strong add to our lineup, and it shouldn't be questioned wether we should use him often.

Kaberle-Gorges
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We have good pieces, I am sure of it
I disagree and think there's about a 0% chance he we will fulfill his contract with us.

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12-20-2011, 09:19 AM
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I disagree and think there's about a 0% chance he we will fulfill his contract with us.
Doesn't mean he'll be bad. Hammer certainly didn't fill up his 5.5M cap hit, but I'm sure you were still happy with him.
Kaby has 5pts in 5gp here, obviously he won't keep up that pace, but if he keeps producing, it really won't be that bad. I thought he played great yesterday too defensively.
I really don't see why people just write this guy off, makes no sense to me.

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12-20-2011, 10:24 AM
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Doesn't mean he'll be bad. Hammer certainly didn't fill up his 5.5M cap hit, but I'm sure you were still happy with him.
Kaby has 5pts in 5gp here, obviously he won't keep up that pace, but if he keeps producing, it really won't be that bad. I thought he played great yesterday too defensively.
I really don't see why people just write this guy off, makes no sense to me.

Kriss, people are a bunch of blind sheep


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12-20-2011, 10:32 AM
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I like the trade from day one and after watching the 5 games he played with us. He did really make an impact on the powerplay. And he makes really nice breakout passes and make us forget Markov a little.

On the defensive side he is not as bad as some people say. He is not physical but still it's not like he is a total liability

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12-20-2011, 04:43 PM
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look at that... instead of getting all emotional about my "dishonesty", you could have simply corrected my very honest mistake... I was looking up stats from February 8th instead of 18th... got the trade date mixed up in my head


so the laffs were 12-7-4 after moving Kaberle... not quite as impressive as 15-8-6, but still a much better winning % than with him in the lineup.

they were 7-6-1 in the month prior to him getting traded, so again, as much as they were playing better in the new year, their winning % (both overall season, and month-to-month) still shot up after he was removed from the lineup.

And again, you miss the point completely by trying to see things in black & white ("if Kabarle was sooo bad...").

Kaberle on the leafs = top-pairing dman on a team well below .500

Kaberle on the bruins = 5-6 dman on an eventual cup champion


Kaberle is a solid hockey player, he's just not good enough (at this stage in his career, why the decline? i've offered my opinion based on what seems most likely given the little we do know) to be considered a solid top-pairing dman, at least not on a contender.

he's much closer to a MAB, one-dimensional special teams asset, then he is a well-rounded every situation dman.


That makes him overpaid, imo, @ 4.25M$, and it's why it was a bad decisions, imo, to trade for him without getting more in return.

4.25M$ for a one-dimensional player is too much, our management didn't think so either b/c they think he is/will be more than that (mistake imo, and according to other NHL GM's like Chiarelli & Rutherford), or b/c they think adding him is enough of a salve for this team (also a mistake, imo).


you can make it about "hating on kaberle", or "hating on management" if that makes you feel better, but detaching from the emotions might make it easier for you
If you're wondering why the Leafs got better in the 2nd half last year, look no further than the Beauchemin trade that brought in Joffrey Lupul. The guy has been an absolute beast since that trade, and has made both Kessel, and Tyler Bozak better contributors.

The trade happened on February 9th, which is almost the exact date of the team's statistical turnaround last year, which you attempted to point out before.

The comparisons to MAB completely undermine any credibility you have, considering you're comparing a spare part who has trouble finding a regular NHL job to a guy who has been an automatic All-star almost every year since the lockout.

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12-20-2011, 04:55 PM
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I disagree and think there's about a 0% chance he we will fulfill his contract with us.
Remind me in 2 years to tell you that you were wrong.

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12-20-2011, 06:18 PM
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Remind me in 2 years to tell you that you were wrong.
You won't have to wait two years. He won't make it through next season

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12-20-2011, 06:21 PM
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I disagree and think there's about a 0% chance he we will fulfill his contract with us.
If he keeps up this pace he will for sure. The guy is playing excellent and making PG look like a genius.

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12-20-2011, 06:29 PM
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Remind me in 2 years to tell you that you were wrong.
This is the thought process of people who are still ******** on Kaberle:

"That Kaberle, but...he's not hot right now? Kaberle."



I swear, most of the hockey conversation on this board is like etalk for hockey.

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12-20-2011, 06:45 PM
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I'm satisfied with the Kaberle trade. He's definitely an upgrade over Spacek. The guy has always been known as an elite passer in the NHL and based on what I've seen so far, he hasn't lost that art. He still has that ability to make clean tape-to-tape passes and makes it look effortless. Notice how when he passes, the puck doesn't bounce over the teammate's stick; it stays flat on the ice.

In the defensive zone, he's been doing what I expected him to do and that is making good first passes. A lot of defencemen panic when pressured and have to rely on the boards to clear the puck, often resulting in losing puck possession. Kaberle on the other hand controls the puck and can quickly find the open forward for the counter-attack. Moreover, although not a beast defensively, he's been playing a calm and steady game. He doesn't force things and keeps things simple, which is a good sign. He still has pretty good mobility and agility, which allows him to read and anticipate plays, quickly regaining positioning when needed.

The team's transition game and power-play has been absolutely disgusting due to poor decisions with the puck and mediocre passing. Adding Kaberle helps, but it is the potential of having all three of him, Markov, and Subban that makes it very appealing. January should be a much more interesting month to follow for Habs fans with not only Markov, but also Gionta and Gomez expecting to be back.

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12-20-2011, 06:56 PM
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Liking the deal more and more each game. He actually made some pretty shrewd defensive plays the past few games. February is so far away. Never thought I'd get to see Kaberle and Markov on the same team. Just have to stem the bloodflow until then.

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12-20-2011, 07:14 PM
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Of course I wouldn't complain, he wouldn't be freaking overpaid if he scored 70 pts. There is absolutely zero chance he's going to do either of those things. Sure, Gainey couldn't have known that at the time, but that ship has long sailed and the team is responsible for taking the steps necessary to correct those mistakes.

I am not arguing he be buried in-season. That would be a waste since freeing that cap space serves no practical value in-season. The ONLY reason to demote him right now is if it is an actual hockey reason (IE: He is literally worse than whoever would be recalled from the minors).

However, the onus should be on the team to identify and acquire better players in the offseason and if the opportunity is there to do so at the expense of demoting Gomez next year, then they absolutely should do that. But they won't.

Your argument against me here is arguing my point for me. Gomez isn't overpaid because he makes 7 million, he's overpaid because he's terrible AND makes 7 million. I am not suggesting anything different, and I fail to understand how that distinction somehow excuses the fact that the team factors in his hilarious contract when acquiring players rather than being willing to admit their error, demote him and improve the team should the chance arise.
Never forget that Gomez was a leftover, not Gainey's first choice. After Brad Richards was taken Gomez seemed like the next best option. Gainey had already cut the lines of communication with Koivu and the Habs needed a credible center, although I never thought of Gomez as a #1. As someone who moved to the New York Metropolitan area a long time ago I've seen all three local teams many times. Of course, I'm not a professional scout, but I can tell something about a player after seeing him in action dozens of times.

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12-20-2011, 07:18 PM
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Playing great, I can't wait to see him with Markov on the 1st wave of the PP.
I disagree. I think they shouldn't play together. The Habs need a shooter at the point paired with either of them.

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12-21-2011, 12:18 AM
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I disagree. I think they shouldn't play together. The Habs need a shooter at the point paired with either of them.
yeah, im 110% they'll be split. and they're both left handed, so yeah, not playing together.

as for kaberle not making until 2 years from now. if he keeps his play up, im not sure he'll be hard to move at the deadline. he's what? 1.0 ppg since joining the habs?

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12-21-2011, 10:48 AM
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Good to hear that he's playing well.

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You can take the Maple Leaf out of Toronto, but you can never take the Toronto out of the Maple Leaf.

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The Leaf hating is getting old. He's not a Leaf anymore, Christ.

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Look at him, i've said this back when he was in Boston, dude is fat as Hell. He needs a huge change in his workout regiment.

Stop watching those cooking shows!

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I hated that trade from day 1.

Soft, fat, slower than Gill and his contract...

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I knew from the get go that this was not a good decision.
Kaberle is not very good defensively and with such a weak shot, he makes the Habs' powerplay pretty predictable.

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Argh we saw the good and the bad from him tonight. Offense-Good; Defense-Bad

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I'm still laughing at the Kaberle trade.

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As I said in the PG's thread, his biggest mistake was the Kaberle trade: we don't need a soft and defensively weak D.

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I didn't mind the Kaberle trade, but wtf was that **** tonight?

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