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02-14-2012, 12:34 PM
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The new "Steven Stamkos" rumor

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02-14-2012, 12:35 PM
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Honestly, I think the 3 way deal is more feasible than the Rick Nash straight up deal.

As do I at this point in time.

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That #2 defender may walk 4 month from now. Preds always wanted scoring and with this trade they may get it. Sounds like a legit resons to me.

Columbus spent over 100 million this year on UFA. Their season is a disaster. Their 8million dollar franchise winger needs a change of scenario. It's been a long time coming. No, not good reason?

I gave you Heatley trade xample where similar player with similar contract was traded for Mikhalek and Cheechoo.

I offered JVR and Carle plus maybe a pick or a prospect or something of that nature.
I'd be inclined to think they won't deal him due to a "possibility". I wouldn't be shocked to see Suter sign before July 1st in Nashville.

That may be true, it's been a disaster because of everything not just Nash. He's still a franchise player, and I'd think they'd want a goaltender, top 4 defender, high pick back, depending on more maybe even.

I don't think that's comparable at all in my opinion. Heatley wanted out of Ottawa and BLOCKED a deal to the Oilers.

Bob would have to be included IMO for CBJ.

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Perhaps I am suffering from a reading-comprehension-destroying aneurysm, but did you just refer to Carle as a "younger version of Suter"?

The only similarity is that they both make crisp, tape-to-tape passes to players in Predators jerseys. Seriously, though, that is one hilarious comparison. Beyond, Carle's performance's southward trajectory, he's a UFA, which is of little long-term help to Nashville (which, arguably, is the only reason they would move Suter), and JvR as was stated is still a big question mark. Actually, make that multiple question marks, given the possible abdominal and hip injuries.
I didn't even notice it the first time.

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That #2 defender may walk 4 month from now. Preds always wanted scoring and with this trade they may get it. Sounds like a legit resons to me.

Columbus spent over 100 million this year on UFA. Their season is a disaster. Their 8million dollar franchise winger needs a change of scenario. It's been a long time coming. No, not good reason?

I gave you Heatley trade xample where similar player with similar contract was traded for Mikhalek and Cheechoo.

I offered JVR and Carle plus maybe a pick or a prospect or something of that nature.
why would Columbus want Carle?

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02-14-2012, 12:39 PM
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Nobody, including JvR, can answer that right now. He was supposed to be a near shoe-in for those numbers this year. Ask me again after he is 5 games into his symptom-free return.
Really? I wonder why the hell did he get that contract then. I guess you are juuuuuuuuuuuust a little smarter than our GM.

Was Heatley was worth Michalek 3 years ago?

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It really annoys me that the Flyers always seem to be involved in rumors whenever a big name comes up. It would make me even more annoyed if the Flyers are actually involved.

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It really annoys me that the Flyers always seem to be involved in rumors whenever a big name comes up. It would make me even more annoyed if the Flyers are actually involved.
You mean like... Vinny Lecav three years ago, Kovy two years ago and Stamkos last year?

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why would Columbus want Carle?
Fine.. They want goalie? Makes sense. Giving Bobrovsky, keeping Carle.

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Uhm, if they want a goalie, wouldn't they want someone who's better than the two they have?

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That 3 team deal seems pretty interesting. CLB would need a boatload of picks and prospects to ship off Nash and only get Bob in return. Plus I think they'd be better of with Bernier, but none of us really know where Bob will peak.

CLB gets:
Bob
Kadri (or similar forward prospect)
Franson (or similar defensive prospect)
TOR 1st
PHI 2nd
Komisarek (cap dump)

PHI gets:
Schenn
Sanford/Dekanich

TOR gets:
Nash
PHI 4th
CLB 6th

something similar to that?

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If you're looking at Rick Nash's stats & wondering why they're mediocre for a guy making superstar money, you've forgotten the team he's on
QFT. Guy is a premier skilled power forward in the league. He's what we wish JvR becomes.

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Easily would not give up Bob, 2nd and 4th for Schenn. (Sanford/Dekanich are throw ins)

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That 3 team deal seems pretty interesting. CLB would need a boatload of picks and prospects to ship off Nash and only get Bob in return. Plus I think they'd be better of with Bernier, but none of us really know where Bob will peak.

CLB gets:
Bob
Kadri (or similar forward prospect)
Franson (or similar defensive prospect)
TOR 1st
PHI 2nd
Komisarek (cap dump)

PHI gets:
Schenn
Sanford/Dekanich

TOR gets:
Nash
PHI 4th
CLB 6th

something similar to that?

Condense it down. Dekanich is out for a long time I think.

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02-14-2012, 01:12 PM
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Easily would not give up Bob, 2nd and 4th for Schenn. (Sanford/Dekanich are throw ins)
whatever sobrien proposed is crappy deal.

I am not even sure why Flyers are involved in the 1st place. I mean I know why because we need a d-men

Still you do not think Schenn is worth Bobrovsky? lol Wow some people.

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Easily would not give up Bob, 2nd and 4th for Schenn. (Sanford/Dekanich are throw ins)
Two points:

1) I think you're underrating Schenn, or over-rating the 2nd, 4th, or Bobrovsky.

2) If the team has aspirations about competing this year, having a solid backup to replace Bob is a must, and you can do much worse than Sanford as a backup, particularly given his current form. In other words, if its Sanford or Leighton, I easily take Sanford.

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Condense it down. Dekanich is out for a long time I think.
Take out either Kadri or Franson from CLB, Sanford/Dekanich for us (Hellooooo Leighton), and the picks for TOR. That's as far as I can see it being condensed. Columbus is giving up their franchise, they're hopefully going to get a ton in return.

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Two points:

1) I think you're underrating Schenn, or over-rating the 2nd, 4th, or Bobrovsky.

2) If the team has aspirations about competing this year, having a solid backup to replace Bob is a must, and you can do much worse than Sanford as a backup, particularly given his current form. In other words, if its Sanford or Leighton, I easily take Sanford.
1) You think Bob, 2nd and 4th for Schenn is fair? Honestly think your overrating Schenn. I like Schenn also, but thats a pretty good amount to give up for a struggling d-man.

2) Sanford is a borderline goalie. He has only played 33 more games than Leighton.... (edit: Sanford is also hurt atm)

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whatever sobrien proposed is crappy deal.

I am not even sure why Flyers are involved in the 1st place. I mean I know why because we need a d-men

Still you do not think Schenn is worth Bobrovsky? lol Wow some people.
What makes it crappy? Every team fills a need, besides Toronto blowing up their future.

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Probably in the minority but I always thought Nash was overrated. I see him as a 1st line player but a 7.8 million top 5 NHL player... I don't believe so.

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1) You think Bob, 2nd and 4th for Schenn is fair? Honestly think your overrating Schenn. I like Schenn also, but thats a pretty good amount to give up for a struggling d-man.

2) Sanford is a borderline goalie. He has only played 33 more games than Leighton....
Sanford is a bit of a longshot, it might end up being Mason if they see Sanford as a real asset now. But Sanford has played well this year....behind the Columbus defense....That's saying a lot. Think of it as a backup goalie swap and a 2nd and 4th for Schenn. I'd say that's pretty good.

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Homer has reportedly talked to Columbus GM and everybody starts drooling over Nash

But in fact, our offense is fine and we don't need him. And we can't afford him.

Radek Martinek or even Fedor Tyutin make far more sense. Also Columbus has some promising young big defensemen like Savard, Moore or Methot. I don't knew them well enough to judge their potential let alone price, to be honest.

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1) You think Bob, 2nd and 4th for Schenn is fair? Honestly think your overrating Schenn. I like Schenn also, but thats a pretty good amount to give up for a struggling d-man.
I think it's a steal for us, to be honest.

A late 2nd is a crapshoot that is more likely to produce a bottom-6 / bottom pairing filler than a meaningful contributor, which our organization already has plenty of.

Bobrovsky is promising but inconsistent. Regardless, though, he's stuck behind Bryz, who, fantasies aside, will be our goalie for the better part of the next decade. Given that, I think there is far more value for the Flyers in getting a young, physical defenseman who can play every night than keeping a promising back-up who plays once a week at most, and is destined to walk in a few years anyway.

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QFT. Guy is a premier skilled power forward in the league. He's what we wish JvR becomes.
QFFH. Guy is a premier skilled power forward, but he's getting paid tons of money and playing tons of minutes in prime scoring moments during a game. Despite the fact that he has no one around him, elite players should produce given elite minutes. The talent around a player is not as vital to singular production as opposed to minutes/opportunity.

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1) You think Bob, 2nd and 4th for Schenn is fair? Honestly think your overrating Schenn. I like Schenn also, but thats a pretty good amount to give up for a struggling d-man.
Do you want a list of current NHL superstar defensemen who struggled at 22 years old?

Do you also hold JVR to the same standards you do Schenn? Because JVR has struggled just as much and doesn't have the excuse of saying his position's learning curve doesn't usually pan out until the mid-late 20's.

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QFFH. Guy is a premier skilled power forward, but he's getting paid tons of money and playing tons of minutes in prime scoring moments during a game. Despite the fact that he has no one around him, elite players should produce given elite minutes. The talent around a player is not as vital to singular production as opposed to minutes/opportunity.
Perhaps, but he's never had that true #1 around him. I still think he's a bit overpaid ($6.5-7 is more fair imo) but the players they've historically put around him is pretty bad. Huselius, Brassard, Umberger, Prospal are all good players, but not 1st line C's

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