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02-14-2012, 01:41 PM
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Nash will be a Ranger by gametime Sunday

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02-14-2012, 01:42 PM
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The Dubinsky,Kreider and 1st round pick package comes from Garrioch.

Columbus wants more than that. All that for a player with a $7.8M cap hit. Any team acquiring Nash needs to reconfigure their team for him.

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02-14-2012, 01:43 PM
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7.8M cap hit for 3 more years...that's a lot. And we were worrying about how to fit Parise in a year from now. lol

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Nash will be a Ranger by gametime Sunday
Highly unlikely. I would go so far as to say he will likely never be a Ranger.

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I'd love Nash but that price makes me think one player is not enough for the bunch.

Call it Bobby Carpenter syndrome.

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Can somebody who wants this to happen explain in detail why it is a good idea, because I can't find a reason...
I hope to hell that everyone comes to the same conclusion:

"NO WAY! WAY TOO EXPENSIVE!!!"

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Nash will be a Ranger by gametime Sunday
I'll take that bet.

Howson wants his fanbase to see Nash demolish his old team that soon after being dealt !? No way, no how....

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02-14-2012, 01:49 PM
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7.8M cap hit for 3 more years...that's a lot. And we were worrying about how to fit Parise in a year from now. lol
Its 6 more years

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I'm sure Kreider will be thrilled if he's sent away to Ohio lol

I still don't see it happening. If his cap hit was about 1.5 million less and he only had 3-4 more years on his contract then maybe. But as it is that cap hit will be a massive burden

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What's so great about Rick Nash? All of the hoopla over Nash. Unbelievable.

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02-14-2012, 01:54 PM
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Its 6 more years
Right, 6.

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only way i would do a rick nash trade is if its something like.

Dubi OR AA
Wolski
A first.

Any prospect not named Kreider or Hagelin

And to me, that's just a woefully pathetic offer for a damn good player.

Problem is, with that salary we will NEED guys like Kreider, who are cost effective, in order to field a good squad going forward.

i just dont see a match.

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02-14-2012, 02:03 PM
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carter will be a ranger not nash.

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02-14-2012, 02:04 PM
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only way i would do a rick nash trade is if its something like.

Dubi OR AA
Wolski
A first.

Any prospect not named Kreider or Hagelin

And to me, that's just a woefully pathetic offer for a damn good player.

Problem is, with that salary we will NEED guys like Kreider, who are cost effective, in order to field a good squad going forward.

i just dont see a match.

There isn't. Columbus wants than what the Rangers are prepared to offer. And, as RB said, even the supposed offer that Brooks mentioned isn't the offer. That was concocted by Garrioch. Nash won't be a Ranger.

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02-14-2012, 02:05 PM
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I hope to hell that everyone comes to the same conclusion:

"NO WAY! WAY TOO EXPENSIVE!!!"
That package would not be enough for Columbus either. They can't trade their franchise player and potentially wind up with two 15 goals scorers. Despite the giddiness on these boards Kreider is only a prospect and is only being projected as a 25-30 goal scorer anyway.
Jackets will want two roster players.

Kings have upper hand because they have Bernier to offer.

Odds Nash is here by deadline : 15%
Odds Carter is here by deadline: 25%
Odds some UFA rental is brought in to fill that top 6 forward spot (selanne, Smyth, Whitney, Ruutu, etc.): 35%
Odds we stand pat : 25%

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02-14-2012, 02:06 PM
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LeBrun: The Rangers, Kings and Philadelphia Flyers would make sense to me, although the math would be really tight in New York given the money already tied up in Brad Richards, Marian Gaborik and Henrik Lundqvist. But no doubt Nash represents just what the Blueshirts need. And there are always ways to get creative cap-wise. The Rangers have some young pieces (led by Chris Kreider) that might entice the Jackets. Howson, after all, took in the Rangers-Flyers game over the weekend.

Which brings me to the Flyers, whom I believe also have interest in Nash and certainly have the young pieces to get involved (Brayden Schenn, James Van Riemsdyk or Sean Couturier, etc). Can you imagine Rick Nash on a line with Claude Giroux?

The Kings are a good fit as well, led by young netminder Jonathan Bernier as the carrot for Columbus. The Kings have other young assets such as forward Andrei Loktionov or defenseman Slava Voynov, or even blueliner Jack Johnson. As you mentioned, given L.A.’s craving for an upgrade at the wing position, it wouldn’t be out of the question that the Kings at least explore this.

Another team that could be in the mix is Vancouver. The Canucks do indeed like Nash, and the Blue Jackets would certainly have eyes on young netminder Cory Schneider in any potential deal with Vancouver.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...de-saga-begins

How are the Rangers getting creative cap wise Pierre? This from the same guy who has written story after story about the players getting less % of the gross thus lowering the cap. Come on.

The Flyers need more offense. Oh yeah. The Flyers defensive zone coverage will still suck and the pucks will go through their Russian goalies like wet bars of soap.

LA makes sense. They already made a bad trade for Richards. Lombardi can put all of his chips in the middle of the table and he won't be around to clean up the mess.

Vancouver. They have a ton of money invested in that team already.

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02-14-2012, 02:07 PM
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If it in fact did happen Nash is a helluva hockey player . Doubt it does happen , nor do I really want it too but Nash in NY with Richards , Cally as Capt already in place , Girardi etc could just take a back seat and score rather than carry a franchise . If Crosby and Malkin can fit under the same roof I suppose it could work

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02-14-2012, 02:09 PM
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carter will be a ranger not nash.
Not nice.



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02-14-2012, 02:09 PM
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If Columbus was smart they'd trade Carter for Bernier it's an easier sell because Carter's BFF is in LA already. Then they would get someone to give up the farm for Nash. Besides Nash controls his destiny why would he choose LA? They're not exactly a contender.

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02-14-2012, 02:09 PM
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Let me save you guys some time and stress:

We aren't getting Nash.

There, now you don't have to worry about it.
...and thank you GaGline.

Why would you take apart a first place team to add a player......who just might be part of your organization already? Yes, I'm talking about Kreider and to a far lesser degree, Dubi. Being that he will be a homegrown, that will make the team stronger in the long run,imo.

Teams talk. And if my team were as craptastick as the Jackets are right now, one of the first teams I'd pick up the phone to speak with would be New York. Sather might just be doing them a favor in letting teams know there is a discussion. That way other GMs call and say: "We're prepared to beat NY's offer by a country mile."

Just my 2 cents.

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02-14-2012, 02:10 PM
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Odds Nash is here by deadline : 15%
Odds Carter is here by deadline: 25%
Odds some UFA rental is brought in to fill that top 6 forward spot (selanne, Smyth, Whitney, Ruutu, etc.): 35%
unless theres been some offical chatter that i'm unaware of, id imagine this would be more accurate if you took at least 10-15% off of each option you listed

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How are the Rangers getting creative cap wise Pierre? This from the same guy who has written story after story about the players getting less % of the gross thus lowering the cap. Come on.

The Flyers need more offense. Oh yeah. The Flyers defensive zone coverage will still suck and the pucks will go through their Russian goalies like wet bars of soap.

LA makes sense. They already made a bad trade for Richards. Lombardi can put all of his chips in the middle of the table and he won't be around to clean up the mess.

Vancouver. They have a ton of money invested in that team already.

How does he mention the Rangers having math problems with cap, when Philly has even less cap space?

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If Columbus was smart they'd trade Carter for Bernier it's an easier sell because Carter's BFF is in LA already. Then they would get someone to give up the farm for Nash. Besides Nash controls his destiny why would he choose LA? They're not exactly a contender.
They were expected to be prior to the season. Add Nash and they could be.

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What's so great about Rick Nash? All of the hoopla over Nash. Unbelievable.
A 27 year old self sufficient 35-40 goal scoring LW?

Self sufficient in that he doesn't need a center to score goals much in the same way that Gaborik didn't really need a center to do the same.

Not going to assume he would mesh with Richards, but just havng another guy that can put up 30+ goals on this team this year would be awesome.

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only way i would do a rick nash trade is if its something like.

Dubi OR AA
Wolski
A first.

Any prospect not named Kreider or Hagelin

And to me, that's just a woefully pathetic offer for a damn good player.

Problem is, with that salary we will NEED guys like Kreider, who are cost effective, in order to field a good squad going forward.

i just dont see a match.
You are exactly right in that there are two parts to this equation. If we dealt for Nash then we have to figure out how to make cap work. we need the cost effective guys, but the problem is that despite the enthusiasm, netiher Hagelin or Kreider are projected as elite level scorers. Maybe they develop into that, but more likely they don't.

Then you have to answer...Can we win the Cup with the scoring we have now? If the answer is No, then you have to attempt to make a deal if possible.
We have the best goalie in the world, 1st in the Conference, and we have a team built for the playoffs. The planets seem aligned as they do once every 25 years. If we don't look to add the missing piece this year, then when?

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