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02-10-2012, 11:23 AM
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I don't see how Petersson is ranked higher than Stone. I guess the rule for prospect rankings around here are Swedes first, then everyone else. The only player I would rank ahead of Stone are Zibanejad and Silfverberg, and that is because they are both very talented and very close to being NHL ready.
Because Petersson is ahead in his development, Petersson did better than Stone in WJC 2 years ago and has played with men in SEL a year later (even thought he was injured) and also has a year in the AHL over Stone.

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1) Mika Zibanejad: 50-65 pt 1st line winger.
2) Jakob Silfverberg: 50-60 pt 2nd line winger. Low bust potential.
3) Stefan Noesen: Pesty 45-55 pt 2nd or 3rd liner. Low bust potential.
4) Robin Lehner: 1A, 50-55 game goaltender.
5) Stephane Da Costa: 50 pt 2nd line center.
6) Shane Prince: 40-50 pt 2nd/3rd liner.
7) Mark Stone: 35-55 pt 2nd/ 3rd liner.
8) Matt Puempel: 40-50 pt 2nd liner. High bust potential.
9) Andre Petersson: 50-60 pt 2nd liner. High bust potential.
10) Jean-Gabriel Pageau: 40-60 pt 2nd/3rd liner. High bust potential
11) Mark Borowiecki: Should be solid bottom pairing DMan.
12) Michael Sdao: Primarily defensive #4/5 DMan.
13) Mike Hoffman: Should be a 2nd or 3rd liner. Could be a 20 goal scorer.
14) Jim O’Brien: Should be an NHLer. Could be an ok 3rd liner
15) Patrick Wiercioch: #4 PP Specialist upside. High bust potential.
16) Derek Grant: Good shot at being a solid bottom 6er.
17) Jordan Fransoo. Miles away but has #4/5 ability way down the road.
18) Pat Cannone. Should be a good 3rd or 4th liner down the road.
19) Eric Gryba: By all accounts should be a solid physical #6/7
20) Ben Blood. Will be a nasty and competitive #7.
21) Fredrik Claesson: #5/6 DMan.
22) Rob Klinkhammer: Has all the ability to be a physical 4th liner with hard shot.
23) Max McCormick: Far way but showing solid scoring ability.
24) Ryan Dzingel: See above?
25) David Dziurzynski: Hard worked who should carve out a bottom 6 career.

Only honorable mention: Kramer. He is likely to end up as a 4th line scrapper.

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Because Petersson is ahead in his development, Petersson did better than Stone in WJC 2 years ago and has played with men in SEL a year later (even thought he was injured) and also has a year in the AHL over Stone.
I believe HF ranks the prospects by potential do they not & not on how close to NHL ready they are? I think if we ranked our prospects by how NHL ready they are or on who will make the NHL the list would be slightly different. Daugavins for example is not even ranked & he is in the NHL now playing. It's funny that so many have Petersson ranked so high I guessed based on one month in January. On HF Petersson is one spot behind O'Brien, there are also three guys ahead of O'Brien on HF that I would have behind him. It's interesting but at the end of the day no one really knows how any player will really pan out or if they will it's all based on potential & numerous other life factors.

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I think Lehner will fall to around 8-10. he's not having a years where you can say he improve or he's playing great.
Still top 3 without question. He *just* won the AHL Calder Cup MVP. That goes a loooooooooong way.

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Yeah a sophomore slump in his 2nd season as pro doesn't drop him in the list. It will have to be more than that.

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Ranked by who could make it to the NHL:

1. Zibanejad - size & speed matter in the NHL
2. Lehner - MVP, Calder Cup Champion
3. Silfverberg - two good yrs in the SEL, is NHL ready
4. Noesen - is going to out work everybody
5. Stone - great combination of size & skill package, must continue to work on skating
6. O'Brien - good size, good speed, decent skill & works hard
7. Boroweicki - has to work on strength & skating
8. Weircioch - has to work at the defensive part of the game & gain more muscle
9. Dziurzynski - has to start producing offensively & continue to work hard
10. Gryba - has to improve his skating & hockey IQ
11. Hoffman - has to reduce the risky plays but has everything else
12. Grant - another package of size & skill, needs to produce pts
13. Prince - although small, has the it factor, just makes great plays when it counts
14. Puemple - is an excellent scorer in junior, can he still produce in the pros
15. Claesson - good all around defenceman, a little undersized for defence in the NHL
16. Blood - could develop into a nasty stay at home defenceman, at least I hope so
17. Da Costa - a tad small, is behind Turris, needs to physically mature & gain strength
18. Petersson - small, is behind Zibane, Stone, Noesen on RW, also needs more muscle
19. Kramer - tough SOB who hopefully becomes another Chris Neil
20. Sdao - big, tough & if he can improve his skating & skill could be a dark horse
21. Culek - nice combination of skill & size but must play a more aggressive/nasty game
22. Fransoo - good size, likely a stay at home defenceman, must improve skill
23. McCormick - could be an instigator type with a scoring touch
24. Dzingel - playmaking centre

Others not ranked because I'm not sure if they will ever make the NHL.

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That list started off so well, I was like holy **** this is the first time I won't disagree with an aragorn post, then I kept reading the list and seeing the less skilled bigger players higher on the list than the more skilled smaller players, then I was like yeah that's an aragorn post alright.

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I believe HF ranks the prospects by potential do they not & not on how close to NHL ready they are? I think if we ranked our prospects by how NHL ready they are or on who will make the NHL the list would be slightly different. Daugavins for example is not even ranked & he is in the NHL now playing. It's funny that so many have Petersson ranked so high I guessed based on one month in January. On HF Petersson is one spot behind O'Brien, there are also three guys ahead of O'Brien on HF that I would have behind him. It's interesting but at the end of the day no one really knows how any player will really pan out or if they will it's all based on potential & numerous other life factors.
Murray said he should be Spezza's winger for the next ten years when he got called up.

He looked great in camp and in rookie tournament, tons of sick Kovalev like skills plus he played fiestier then expected.

From all accounts fromt he team he worked really hard to get over his back injuries, training staff was impressed.

He actually has played an NHL game and has been torching the AHL since his first month or so there.

He played with Top level Men in the SEL and AHL.

He has something you can't really teach in his goal scoring ability, he can get a little bigger and learn other aspects of the game but his hockey sense to score goals is not something you can learn... you have it or you don't.

Petersson has already proven quite a bit. He is not far away from the NHL. He was a boom or bust project and still is but his upside is pretty high and his stock is rising.

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1. Zibanejad - size & speed matter in the NHL
2. Lehner - MVP, Calder Cup Champion
3. Silfverberg - two good yrs in the SEL, is NHL ready
4. Noesen - is going to out work everybody
5. Stone - great combination of size & skill package, must continue to work on skating
6. O'Brien - good size, good speed, decent skill & works hard
7. Boroweicki - has to work on strength & skating
8. Weircioch - has to work at the defensive part of the game & gain more muscle
9. Dziurzynski - has to start producing offensively & continue to work hard
10. Gryba - has to improve his skating & hockey IQ
11. Hoffman - has to reduce the risky plays but has everything else
12. Grant - another package of size & skill, needs to produce pts
13. Prince - although small, has the it factor, just makes great plays when it counts
14. Puemple - is an excellent scorer in junior, can he still produce in the pros
15. Claesson - good all around defenceman, a little undersized for defence in the NHL
16. Blood - could develop into a nasty stay at home defenceman, at least I hope so
17. Da Costa - a tad small, is behind Turris, needs to physically mature & gain strength
18. Petersson - small, is behind Zibane, Stone, Noesen on RW, also needs more muscle
19. Kramer - tough SOB who hopefully becomes another Chris Neil
20. Sdao - big, tough & if he can improve his skating & skill could be a dark horse
21. Culek - nice combination of skill & size but must play a more aggressive/nasty game
22. Fransoo - good size, likely a stay at home defenceman, must improve skill
23. McCormick - could be an instigator type with a scoring touch
24. Dzingel - playmaking centre

Others not ranked because I'm not sure if they will ever make the NHL.
Petersson, Prince, Pageau and Da Costa all need to be in the 8-12 range. They are all having excellent season offensively and need to be higher on the list. I think players like Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Stone and Noesen being ranked above them is fine due to the fact that they are equal to or only marginally less skilled offensively then the four player previously mentioned and they also have size, grit and are solid defensively. I would put Dizzy somewhere around 15 because he is still refining his game; once he does he might see a substantial leap, but until that occurs he will be behind the four smaller players listed. IMO the only d man that should be ahead of Sdao is Borocop and that is because he looks like he is NHL ready. Sdao is our second best defenceman prospect at this point; he is having an outstanding season offensively in Princeton this season, while being very solid defensively and very physical.

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Murray said he should be Spezza's winger for the next ten years when he got called up.

He looked great in camp and in rookie tournament, tons of sick Kovalev like skills plus he played fiestier then expected.

From all accounts fromt he team he worked really hard to get over his back injuries, training staff was impressed.

He actually has played an NHL game and has been torching the AHL since his first month or so there.

He played with Top level Men in the SEL and AHL.

He has something you can't really teach in his goal scoring ability, he can get a little bigger and learn other aspects of the game but his hockey sense to score goals is not something you can learn... you have it or you don't.

Petersson has already proven quite a bit. He is not far away from the NHL. He was a boom or bust project and still is but his upside is pretty high and his stock is rising.
You may be right, he might just be the superstar that people on here think he will become but they also thougth that of Filatov. Remember, Lehner saying he doesn't know what Filatov is doing in the AHL, he is an NHLer & yet Filatov is not an NHLer. Petersson doesn't lead Bingo in pts. Bingo is in last place in their conference, Petersson doesn't seem able to change that by himself. He did have one good month in January so far but is he really a superstar in Bingo? Why would people expect him to be a superstar in Ottawa?.

If we are talking about next season, is there room for Petersson in Ottawa? Petersson plays RW ... if Alfredsson comes back to play next yr he is behind Alfie agreed? If Zibanejad plays forward instead of centre he will also be on RW, is Petersson ahead of him? Neil plays RW & will be on either the 3rd or 4th line, do you agree with that? Michalek also plays RW on occassion but can also play LW. That leaves Condra & Butler who both play RW & have one way contracts for next yr, at least one if not both should also be back next yr & O'Brien & Winchester can also play RW. Where does Petersson fit in?

Now let's look at LW, Greening, Foligno, Daugavins, Michalek occassionally & potentially Silfverberg & Regin can also play LW. Some may argue that Petersson is better than a few of those guys or a few of them will be gone next yr. We will just have to wait to see if that happens but I just don't see him knocking off any of them next yr. Then there is the possibility that if Murray adds a top six forward that would push Petersson even further down the list. If Petersson doesn't make Ottawa next season will he be content to spend another yr in Bingo? We don't know. And if he doesn't make the team next season what are his chances of making the team the yr after? Maybe even less. I just think he is in an uphill battle to ever play in Ottawa considering all this. We know what he has done to date in the SEL & AHL & at the WJC but can he beat out those ahead of him in Ottawa? That's the real question you need to ask.

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That list started off so well, I was like holy **** this is the first time I won't disagree with an aragorn post, then I kept reading the list and seeing the less skilled bigger players higher on the list than the more skilled smaller players, then I was like yeah that's an aragorn post alright.
Well in fairness I did make a title that ranked who I thought would make it to the NHL. I'm at the very least consistent. And with the prospects we have now & who is in front of them I just don't see some of the guys that many think will be great players beating out some of the players we have now as well as some of our other better prospects.

Here are some of the players & prospects that I think will not be beat out of their positions. Of course trades could change everything.

At forward Spezza, Michalek, Alfredsson, Foligno, Turris, Greening, Z. Smith, Neil, Condra & Regin maybe & Butler if he can ever start putting up pts consistently. Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Noesen, Stone, Prince, O'Brien, DD, Grant, Hoffman & Puemple I think have the best shot a playing in Ottawa with Da Costa & Petersson as callups or fillins when needed.

On defence I think Karlsson, Cowen are keepers with Lee as an improved maybe. Boroweicki, Weircioch & Gryba all have a shot but could easily be replaced by a UFA if Murray goes after one this summer. Kuba, Phillips, Gonchar & Carkner I assume will all be replaced as they become UFAs with younger UFAs, players/prospects. Blood, Sdao, Claesson & Fransoo would be my leading candidates to eventually make the NHL at some point.

Which smaller player do you think will make the Sens, when & who does he beat out?

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Which smaller player do you think will make the Sens, when & who does he beat out?
Prince and Petersson.

Both will be in the top 9 shortly.

Both have that drive and tenacious factor to their game and a great motor on the ice that makes up for their size, especially Prince, someone else said it, he just has that 'it' factor and looks determined as hell to make the NHL, reminds me a bit of Parise.

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Claesson will surprise many. To me this kid looks like a younger Niklas Hjalmarsson.


I personally won't be surprised to see this kid slide into the Sens top at some point down the road.

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You may be right, he might just be the superstar that people on here think he will become but they also thougth that of Filatov. Remember, Lehner saying he doesn't know what Filatov is doing in the AHL, he is an NHLer & yet Filatov is not an NHLer. Petersson doesn't lead Bingo in pts. Bingo is in last place in their conference, Petersson doesn't seem able to change that by himself. He did have one good month in January so far but is he really a superstar in Bingo? Why would people expect him to be a superstar in Ottawa?.

If we are talking about next season, is there room for Petersson in Ottawa? Petersson plays RW ... if Alfredsson comes back to play next yr he is behind Alfie agreed? If Zibanejad plays forward instead of centre he will also be on RW, is Petersson ahead of him? Neil plays RW & will be on either the 3rd or 4th line, do you agree with that? Michalek also plays RW on occassion but can also play LW. That leaves Condra & Butler who both play RW & have one way contracts for next yr, at least one if not both should also be back next yr & O'Brien & Winchester can also play RW. Where does Petersson fit in?

Now let's look at LW, Greening, Foligno, Daugavins, Michalek occassionally & potentially Silfverberg & Regin can also play LW. Some may argue that Petersson is better than a few of those guys or a few of them will be gone next yr. We will just have to wait to see if that happens but I just don't see him knocking off any of them next yr. Then there is the possibility that if Murray adds a top six forward that would push Petersson even further down the list. If Petersson doesn't make Ottawa next season will he be content to spend another yr in Bingo? We don't know. And if he doesn't make the team next season what are his chances of making the team the yr after? Maybe even less. I just think he is in an uphill battle to ever play in Ottawa considering all this. We know what he has done to date in the SEL & AHL & at the WJC but can he beat out those ahead of him in Ottawa? That's the real question you need to ask.
If Petersson can score he will make the team next year or the year after. With Spezza or Turris. If he can't score in the NHL he likely won't be in the NHL. It is as simple as that. Unless we have a finesse 3rd line that is all about scoring...

You are bringing up too much stuff. All of that doesn't matter... Petersson WILL get some chances with either Spezza or Turris in the NHL. If he starts to score goals and doesn't stop he will stay as a top 6 RW regardless of anyone else's development. Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Regin, Condra, Winchester, Greening, Foligno, Alfredsson all can play effectively if they aren't on a top 6 scoring line.

If Pertersson can't score he won't get the chance to hang around all year like Butler did this year. It is score or AHL... my point is the performance of others is irrelevent if Petersson can score at a good clip. He has earned some trials on the top 2 lines.. and he will get them later this year maybe and next year too.

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Well in fairness I did make a title that ranked who I thought would make it to the NHL. I'm at the very least consistent. And with the prospects we have now & who is in front of them I just don't see some of the guys that many think will be great players beating out some of the players we have now as well as some of our other better prospects.

Here are some of the players & prospects that I think will not be beat out of their positions. Of course trades could change everything.

At forward Spezza, Michalek, Alfredsson, Foligno, Turris, Greening, Z. Smith, Neil, Condra & Regin maybe & Butler if he can ever start putting up pts consistently. Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Noesen, Stone, Prince, O'Brien, DD, Grant, Hoffman & Puemple I think have the best shot a playing in Ottawa with Da Costa & Petersson as callups or fillins when needed.

On defence I think Karlsson, Cowen are keepers with Lee as an improved maybe. Boroweicki, Weircioch & Gryba all have a shot but could easily be replaced by a UFA if Murray goes after one this summer. Kuba, Phillips, Gonchar & Carkner I assume will all be replaced as they become UFAs with younger UFAs, players/prospects. Blood, Sdao, Claesson & Fransoo would be my leading candidates to eventually make the NHL at some point.

Which smaller player do you think will make the Sens, when & who does he beat out?
I think Wiercioch and Gryba are on the trading block These two could be a part of a trade puzzle for a proven #3/4 d-man.

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There will be PO in Europe and AHL, than World Championship. And especially the camp.The next, some players can wake up and understand. Juniors league arent always significant, similar AHL. We will see. But I hope that Zibanejad will take the team, Petersson too.

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I think Wiercioch and Gryba are on the trading block These two could be a part of a trade puzzle for a proven #3/4 d-man.
After his injury? I doubt.

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Prince and Petersson.

Both will be in the top 9 shortly.

Both have that drive and tenacious factor to their game and a great motor on the ice that makes up for their size, especially Prince, someone else said it, he just has that 'it' factor and looks determined as hell to make the NHL, reminds me a bit of Parise.
I'm the one who said Prince has that "it" factor, he is the one small guy that I really like. It could have a lot to do with the fact that I've seen him play a lot but I'm not sure when it is that he finally gets his shot in Ottawa, I think he is a few yrs away.

Petersson on the other hand, I just don't know, I think Michalek, Alfredsson, Zibanejad, Neil, Condra & maybe Butler will be on RW next season ahead of him. Petersson had his audition in Ottawa this yr was weighed, measurred & found wanting (sorry, I had to use that line somewhere). I hope he lights it up for the remainder of Bingo's season & forces Murray/Maclean to give him another shot & he still might get one but for next season, if he stays in NA then he will be a callup unless he outplays Zibane in camp which is possible. Also not sure if he will stay in NA if he doesn't make the team in camp.

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That list started off so well, I was like holy **** this is the first time I won't disagree with an aragorn post, then I kept reading the list and seeing the less skilled bigger players higher on the list than the more skilled smaller players, then I was like yeah that's an aragorn post alright.
Well, Dziurzynski at 9th and Petersson at 18th got me disinterested

EDIT : the title "Ranked by who could make it to the NHL" make it less worse

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Shane Prince is undoubtedly gonna be a good NHLer in my mind.

Patiently fill the kid out because he's got feet, head, hands in large doses. Petersson's the same way except he's got a skinnier body type.

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Well, Dziurzynski at 9th and Petersson at 18th got me disinterested

EDIT : the title "Ranked by who could make it to the NHL" make it less worse
That's the problem....at some point you (not you) have to realize there's only so much value in having a prospect in the same ilk as Jesse Winchester, etc.

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That's the problem....at some point you (not you) have to realize there's only so much value in having a prospect in the same ilk as Jesse Winchester, etc.
I know what you are saying, but I think that Silfverberg, Hoffman & Zibanejad could be the most skilled prospects we have that IMO will be playing in Ottawa some day in the top 6. I can't say the same about Petersson & Da Costa although both could easily proof me wrong. I think Prince is another guy who will be an impact player in Ottawa after he puts on some beef & could take a little longer.

Ottawa needs more skill in their top 6 & adding Zibane, Hoffman, Noesen & Silfverberg could be the answer to that as they mature & learn the NHL game, Prince too I hope. But in terms of bottom 6 DD, O'Brien, Grant, Stone along with some of the young guys we already have works for me. On defence Wiercioch, Boroweicki & Gryba have the best chance in the organization at the moment unless a trade is made, a UFA signed or until the draft if a D is picked first. Just an opinion though.

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Ummm Dorion said at last camp that Petersson was the most skilled player in our pool. And that was after a camp of Zibby, Silfver and Filatov. And Petersson barely played because of his injury.

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Ummm Dorion said at last camp that Petersson was the most skilled player in our pool. And that was after a camp of Zibby, Silfver and Filatov. And Petersson barely played because of his injury.
He's not even at a PPG in Bingo, Da Costa is 4 pts behind him with 9 games in hand. Petersson is 4th in scoring in Bingo, not first & not much is said about Hoffman & Hoffman is ahead of Petersson in pts.

We'll see, he could prove me wrong & I hope he does but I have Hoffman, Silfverberg & Zibanejad ahead of him to make the Sens next season.

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