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02-14-2012, 03:18 PM
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Do you realize how rare a 70-80 pt guy is in todays nhl? That's a pretty bold statement. "And that is not bad", like 70-80pt players grow on trees in todays NHL.
I think when people make projections it's often with a "career best" in mind.

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Do you realize how rare a 70-80 pt guy is in todays nhl? That's a pretty bold statement. "And that is not bad", like 70-80pt players grow on trees in todays NHL.
you realize that 70-80p is career potential right? If Silfverberg can score 50p in SEL he definitely has 70-80p career potential in NHL. Have you even seen him play lately? I think he has a 6 or 7 game pointstreak going on in SEL.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Zibanejad play another year in Sweden. Seems to have done Silfverberg some good.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Zibanejad play another year in Sweden. Seems to have done Silfverberg some good.
i dunno, i think zbads gamestyle fits North America better, plus his SEL team is being run pretty crappy. He should come over next season.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Zibanejad play another year in Sweden. Seems to have done Silfverberg some good.
Murray already said that hes playing here next season.

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Murray already said that hes playing here next season.
he should.

zbad only got 12min in todays game, that is ridiculous, especially when someone like kyle klubbertanz played 22 minutes.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Zibanejad play another year in Sweden. Seems to have done Silfverberg some good.
MacLean wanted to keep him. This was his extra year in Sweden.

As far as NHL standards go, not SEL, Silfverberg and Zibanejad were probably at closer levels of NHL readiness than you'd think this year.

If he's not in the NHL next year he's better off in Binghamton.

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I'm part of the vast majority of Sens fans that would love to see Zibanejad in an Ottawa jersey as soon as possible. However, if he or Bryan Murray made the decision to send him back to Sweden after training camp next year, I'd be fine with it.

Obviously, it would have to be justified. If he really isn't getting enough ice-time and his team really isn't well run, there'd be no reason not to keep him in Ottawa. Mika's shot, size and speed would all make him a legitimate weapon on the Senators' offence, even if other areas of his game need polishing.

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ahl would do him good next year if not nhl.

playing him 12min time while the scrubs gets over 20 min, there is no excuse for that.

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you realize that 70-80p is career potential right? If Silfverberg can score 50p in SEL he definitely has 70-80p career potential in NHL. Have you even seen him play lately? I think he has a 6 or 7 game pointstreak going on in SEL.
Yes i watch every Brynäs game. And it's six games by the by. But i still don't see how 50 points in the SEL guarantees 70-80pt potential. Joakim Lindström won the scoring race in the SEL last year with 60pts, does he have 90-100pt potential? I think you're missing something in you train of thaught.

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I think when people make projections it's often with a "career best" in mind.
I know but i still think it's way to optimistic.

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Yes i watch every Brynäs game. And it's six games by the by. But i still don't see how 50 points in the SEL guarantees 70-80pt potential. Joakim Lindström won the scoring race in the SEL last year with 60pts, does he have 90-100pt potential? I think you're missing something in you train of thaught.

Joakim Lindstrom is what, 30 years old? You're the one who are missing something here. It is spelled thought btw.

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I know but i still think it's way to optimistic.
I think best case scenario he's a player like Jere Lehtinen was.

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Yes i watch every Brynäs game. And it's six games by the by. But i still don't see how 50 points in the SEL guarantees 70-80pt potential. Joakim Lindström won the scoring race in the SEL last year with 60pts, does he have 90-100pt potential? I think you're missing something in you train of thaught.



I know but i still think it's way to optimistic.
I agree with you, not to mention that the NHL is a much better league with bigger, tougher, stronger, faster players that mostly play a defence first strategy & scoring seems to be on the decline in the NHL.

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you realize that 70-80p is career potential right? If Silfverberg can score 50p in SEL he definitely has 70-80p career potential in NHL. Have you even seen him play lately? I think he has a 6 or 7 game pointstreak going on in SEL.
24 players had "70-80p" last season. Twenty. Four.

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Honestly it's pretty uncommon for a 21 year old to score a PPG in the SEL season....it also isn't common for young players to get enough ice time to do it I imagine.

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Joakim Lindstrom is what, 30 years old? You're the one who are missing something here. It is spelled thought btw.
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If Silfverberg can score 50p in SEL he definitely has 70-80p career potential in NHL
I interpet that as: If a completely nhl-unprooven player scores 50 points in the SEL he has the potential to score 70-80pts in the NHL. Silfverberg is just that. Unprooven in the NHL!

Just because he's Silfverberg does't mean he has some magical advantage over any other unprooven player that comes in to the league.

I love the guy to death but let's get real!

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24 players had "70-80p" last season. Twenty. Four.
6 of them came beyond the 1st round.

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I interpet that as: If a completely nhl-unprooven player scores 50 points in the SEL he has the potential to score 70-80pts in the NHL. Silfverberg is just that. Unprooven in the NHL!

Just because he's Silfverberg does't mean he has some magical advantage over any other unprooven player that comes in to the league.

I love the guy to death but let's get real!
I'm not really advocating for what the guy is talking about but that magical advantage is called youth.

It's not really a magical advantage, it just could be.

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I'm not really advocating for what the guy is talking about but that magical advantage is called youth.

It's not really a magical advantage, it just could be.
Does potential diminish with time? I realize 28 is not 21. But it didn't stop Thomas.

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Does potential diminish with time? Didn't stop Thomas at least.
Yes, it does.

He's a goalie...and an anomaly. Another anomaly would be a 21 year old in the SEL putting up a PPG and not becoming a big time producer in the NHL, but I'm not advocating for that.

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I'd much prefer Zibanejad in Binghamton next season. The kid is still so raw. You watch him and he'll dominate for a few shifts, then completely disappear for the next five. With his size + skating ability he should be noticable every shift, making an impact in all three zones. I want to see him use that huge shot of his more too.

He's got huge potential. I wouldn't want to see it ruined by rushing him to the NHL before his game is mature enough.

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Yes, it does.

He's a goalie...and an anomaly. Another anomaly would be a 21 year old in the SEL putting up a PPG and not becoming a big time producer in the NHL, but I'm not advocating for that.
I understand i just don't agree. But PPG is impressive, yes. It's just not a guarantee for NHL success.


I apologize if my logic is a bit off base. I'm very tired but i'm just trying to get my point across.

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I would be extremly happy with a career high of a 30-30 season from Silfver while playing a strong two way game.

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I understand i just don't agree. But PPG is impressive, yes. It's just not a guarantee for NHL success.
You aren't disagreeing with me because I agree with you on the matter.

But the argument about Joakim Lindstrom was faulty, if you're interested in getting into a debate with firenze about point production as a predictor of NHL success (which I realize you don't want to) you'd be better off finding a player at comparable age who hasn't scored like Silfverberg has.

Silfverberg looks to be like a 50-55 point player who's defining quality is his overall two-way play, smarts and competitiveness. Like I said, best case scenario he's the next Jere Lehtinen, and I emphasize best case scenario. His development curve has been very impressive though, you never know what could happen if it continues.

If his first couple steps improve over time he's got a shot at being a star because he's smart, strong on the puck and has a hell of a shooting repertoire.

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I'd much prefer Zibanejad in Binghamton next season. The kid is still so raw. You watch him and he'll dominate for a few shifts, then completely disappear for the next five. With his size + skating ability he should be noticable every shift, making an impact in all three zones. I want to see him use that huge shot of his more too.

He's got huge potential. I wouldn't want to see it ruined by rushing him to the NHL before his game is mature enough.
There seems to be a transition happening in the NHL with the infusion of youth. I guess we'll see if he is NHL ready & he could even make the team & still end up in Bingo. It wouldn't surprise me to see Hoffman for example make Ottawa & Silfverberg sent to Bingo for seasoning or to learn the NA game, I doubt it will happen but it`s possible. It wouldn't surprise me if Butler & Condra are still in Ottawa next season & Zibanejad sent down to Bingo. Anything is possible especially if they still have a number of players with one way contracts.

Our centres next season could be Spezza, Turris, Z. Smith & O`Brien. Our forwards could be Greening, Michalek, Alfredsson, Foligno, Butler, Condra, Hoffman & Daugavins, Murray might even add one or two through trade or UFA. Lots of possibilities.

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