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02-14-2012, 01:24 PM
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To me, AK46 being worth a 1st rounder doesn't sound as bad as Gill being worth a 2nd. That right there is just hilarious. People must think Hal Gill is 31 years old again. Age isn't the only reason he's not worth a 2nd, but it's a big reason.
Big difference between what a player is worth and what a player will get you in a seller's market.

Personally, I think MTL will find it easier to get a 2nd for Gill than a 1st for AK46.

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02-14-2012, 01:27 PM
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If Kostitsyn is worth a first then forget about it.

The Pens can upgrade much more using a first for another player, and so can every other team in the NHL.

Kostitsyn hasn't been that good.

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02-14-2012, 01:30 PM
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To me, AK46 being worth a 1st rounder doesn't sound as bad as Gill being worth a 2nd. That right there is just hilarious. People must think Hal Gill is 31 years old again. Age isn't the only reason he's not worth a 2nd, but it's a big reason.
Not many UFA D with cup experience on market. I think Gill is worth a 2nd or 3rd but considering weak draft and a lot of D are signed, Gill may fetch the 2nd but I'd be happy with 3rd.

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02-14-2012, 01:32 PM
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Big difference between what a player is worth and what a player will get you in a seller's market.

Personally, I think MTL will find it easier to get a 2nd for Gill than a 1st for AK46.
This is one of the few times we disagree.

But I think AK for a 1st (if it's a low 1st) doesn't sound that crazy honestly. I wouldn't do that if I'm the Pens though (and not only because the draft is here, but that's a big reason too).

Gill might be able to fetch a 3rd IMO from a desperate team. I guess we'll just see how it plays out by the 27th.

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02-14-2012, 01:34 PM
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Tangradi is a scrub. No way do the Habs trade Gill and Kostitsyn for him + a 3rd.

Gill = 3rd
Kostitsyn = Tangradi? Don't think so

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02-14-2012, 01:34 PM
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Not many UFA D with cup experience on market. I think Gill is worth a 2nd or 3rd but considering weak draft and a lot of D are signed, Gill may fetch the 2nd but I'd be happy with 3rd.
Yeah, I can see a 3rd happening. I don't think that would be such a bad thing either, if in fact MTL does become sellers. This draft is supposedly going to be pretty deep.

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02-14-2012, 01:34 PM
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The only reason Tangradi is not on the NHL club is depth in the Penguins organization.

That said, for Gill AND AK, I would up the pick to a 2013 1st.
Done. 2013 draft will be very deep.

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02-14-2012, 01:40 PM
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This is one of the few times we disagree.

But I think AK for a 1st (if it's a low 1st) doesn't sound that crazy honestly. I wouldn't do that if I'm the Pens though (and not only because the draft is here, but that's a big reason too).

Gill might be able to fetch a 3rd IMO from a desperate team. I guess we'll just see how it plays out by the 27th.
Again, I acknowledged that it's a sellers market and that it's plausible. My point was that it's not as plausible as it used to be for most GM's, and the only time Ray Shero EVER moved a 1st was for Hossa. If he wouldn't move a 1st for Ray Whitney, he's not moving it for AK46.

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02-14-2012, 01:43 PM
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Yeah, I can see a 3rd happening. I don't think that would be such a bad thing either, if in fact MTL does become sellers. This draft is supposedly going to be pretty deep.
Isn't it the opposite? 2012 is a weak draft, not deep and 2013 may be deep.

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02-14-2012, 01:45 PM
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Again, I acknowledged that it's a sellers market and that it's plausible. My point was that it's not as plausible as it used to be for most GM's, and the only time Ray Shero EVER moved a 1st was for Hossa. If he wouldn't move a 1st for Ray Whitney, he's not moving it for AK46.
I do agree with that. Nor should he. I wouldn't give that up for AK, but my point is that some other team may overvalue him and trade a low 1st for him. To me, Gill just isn't worth a 2nd. And definitely not in terms of value from the Pens side.

And to other posters who feel Tangradi is a scrub, he's not. He's been pretty mishandled here, but I definitely don't think he's equal to AK46 at all. No question about that.

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02-14-2012, 01:48 PM
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Isn't it the opposite? 2012 is a weak draft, not deep and 2013 may be deep.
I heard 2012 was deep, particularly defensively.

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Done. 2013 draft will be very deep.
2012 was supposed to be deep for 2 rounds according to HF for the past few years, what happened? All of a sudden it's REALLY weak...

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AK and Gill for Despres and a 3rd

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02-14-2012, 02:07 PM
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AK and Gill for Despres and a 3rd
Not in a billion years. Despres is of extreme high value to us.

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02-14-2012, 02:18 PM
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I'd much prefer re-signing AK, but I could probably deal with:

Gill + AK for Harrington + 2012 2nd

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02-14-2012, 08:11 PM
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Who knows what Gill is worth but somehow mtl got a 2nd for huet and that's all I'm sayin'

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02-14-2012, 08:19 PM
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Done. 2013 draft will be very deep.
Slow down Nostradamus, 2012 was supposed to be the deepest draft since 03 and now it's only the first 9 or so picks, the rest will be "meh" with a few sleepers, pretending like we know what 17 year olds will do at the NHL level is laughable.

Regardless, I'd personally rather move this year's pick(We seriously have enough defensive depth guys), Shero(and most of our fanbase. . .) seem to think drafting a late 1st player who may or may not make the NHL in the next 10 years is better than a deep team for the playoffs but hey. . .

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02-14-2012, 08:41 PM
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PIT acquires:

Hal Gill
AK46

MTL acquires:

Eric Tangradi
2012 3rd rounder
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What does PIT need to add?
Personally i'd counter with the following:

Gill/AK
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Tangradi/2nd 2012/3rd 2013

Justification being that the cost to get Gill is a 2nd and AK goes for Tangradi + the 3rd next year.

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02-14-2012, 08:50 PM
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PIT acquires:

Hal Gill
AK46

MTL acquires:

Eric Tangradi
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What does PIT need to add?
Yes please. The plus could be a d prospect to help fill the void? If MTL even asks for one that is...

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02-14-2012, 10:48 PM
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I find it more than a little weird that any Pens fan is giddy for Gill.
Perhaps it is being in business and having to consider the concept 'marginal value' daily when making decisions, but I fail to see why anyone would want to pay what is (due to the scarcity of available playoff vetted D-men) certainly going to be an inflated price for Hal Gill, when he is not a given to even improve our starting 6, and when his level of play and consequently his ice-time has dropped big time this year. Add that we have no need for another PK specialist on D, as we already have a great group for that purpose.

Consider also that there'd be a significantly higher marginal value getting one forward for the top 6 as we don't have a full set, and it becomes obvious that this is where you'd want to use assets.

Clearly, if the D-man one considered getting at the deadline was a notable upgrade for our D (and could improve our PP further for instance) then that is something else entirely.

As for Kostitsyn, sure. Quite interested. He'd make good sense as a winger for one of Sid or Malkin. Wouldn't pay a 1st though, but wouldn't have a problem with a second + mid-range prospect (no, not Tangradi.... but then I don't want to deal him in the first place).
If Montreal can get more elsewhere... (which I honestly doubt)... we move on to another target.

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02-14-2012, 10:52 PM
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I think Gill could be an asset in the playoffs, but I think our D is fine as it is. I doubt we'd run 7 D-men and if we move Niskanen, we'd need to replace his skillset in a rental, Gill doesn't do that.

I'd love to have AK here. Talk about a line you can't contain. AK/Geno/Neal. Too much size and skill.

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02-14-2012, 11:41 PM
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Pens have zero interest in Gill. He ties up cap space, and D is not an area we need help in.
I love comments like this, when fans pretend to know what their favourite team is thinking, especially after Dan Bylsma said a few days ago that he'd love to have Gill back...

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I'd much prefer re-signing AK, but I could probably deal with:

Gill + AK for Harrington + 2012 2nd
This would be the type of deal Gauthier would do if he was going to do a deal. Maybe the Pens could throw in Pechurskiy just so we can pretend to have some goalie depth.

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