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02-14-2012, 10:04 PM
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I would definitely sign Wideman if we deal Green. But having a $5 million backup plan? That's just not a smart investment.

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02-14-2012, 10:34 PM
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Isnt it better to have 2 flawed puck moving D than only 1 who is flawed and chronically injured?


Step back a second and look at that D sans Wideman and Green. That's what we're left with. There will be no miracle UFA signing of Suter. There will be a decent priced signing to replace Wideman except he'll be worse. I mean, Joe Corvo anyone?

Besides If Wideman is considered flawed, every NHL player is. It's a poor label IMO but whatever.

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02-14-2012, 10:36 PM
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We aren't going to agree.

Given the cap reality, though, do you really want to spend $5 million on Wideman at rd knowing when we have Green, Carlson and Orlov? I can't see it justified.
A smart GM would make a trade from a position of strength to fill holes elsewhere.


If its really a big deal that we have so many RD, you trade the one that improves the team best.

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02-14-2012, 10:52 PM
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A smart GM would make a trade from a position of strength to fill holes elsewhere.


If its really a big deal that we have so many RD, you trade the one that improves the team best.
We're on the same page. It just kills me that we are mismanaging this very brief window of opportunity.

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02-14-2012, 10:53 PM
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We're on the same page. It just kills me that we are mismanaging this very brief window of opportunity.
I know man.....me too. It's hard to fight the feeling that the franchise is being under-managed badly.

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02-14-2012, 11:50 PM
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We're on the same page. It just kills me that we are mismanaging this very brief window of opportunity.
Yeah a lot of us have been there for a while.

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02-15-2012, 12:46 AM
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Isnt it better to have 2 flawed puck moving D than only 1 who is flawed and chronically injured?

Step back a second and look at that D sans Wideman and Green. That's what we're left with. There will be no miracle UFA signing of Suter. There will be a decent priced signing to replace Wideman except he'll be worse. I mean, Joe Corvo anyone?

Besides If Wideman is considered flawed, every NHL player is. It's a poor label IMO but whatever.
Well you're right that it comes down to alternatives. If the only alternative to Wideman for the next few years were Joe Corvo, I'd keep Wideman. However, if getting a stabilizing vet on D is a realistic option, then I'd want the Caps to be in position to keep pursuing that -- considering we have all these youngsters on D. Keeping both Wideman and Green leaves no cap space to even look that way, and leaves the defense full of variously inconsistent players for the foreseeable future. And if it doesn't work and you have to make a trade later, you won't be doing it from a position of strength..

There is also a secondary consideration that if selling Wideman at the deadline can give you a 1st, and then you can sign a decent UFA in the offseason, well, you gain a 1st -- as opposed to just keeping Wideman. For a team in flux, it's not a bad idea to make sure you build up assets, because who knows what's gonna happen in spring. Of course recently McPhee has been quoted as thinking the Caps are contenders if they get their injured players back.. so he's probably not thinking along those lines

To me, since I think focusing on this year's playoffs is a waste, it's kind of choosing between lesser evil, in ascending order of.. evil/risk:
1. Trade Green, sign Wideman unless he asks for the moon, keep looking for a stabilizing presence on D.
2. Trade Green, trade Wideman, go the UFA route or trade for cheaper solid vets.
3. Keep Green, trade Wideman, keep looking for a stabilizing presence on D.
4. Keep Green, let Wideman walk as UFA.
5. Keep Green & Wideman, cross fingers x10 that Alzner/Carlson/Orlov can develop quickly, under pressure and without vet role models, into primary defensive stoppers.

So I would prefer 1 > ... > 5
I think the Caps will do 4, maybe 5, less likely 3.


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02-15-2012, 07:54 AM
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I'm on the fence about Wideman. If this team would come around shortly and with Green coming back, they could be very dangerous with Green, Carlson, Wideman, Orlov and Hamrlik in the same lineup. Green coming back in hopefully would put Wideman in a spot where he wouldn't be exposed as much defensively. But on the other hand trading Wideman for another missing piece (top 6 forward / 2C with expiring contract) becomes attractive too.

But in those 7 games to start the season I can't help to think that a lot of that success was not only because Green was in the lineup but because too, Wideman was tearing it up on that third pairing and not being exposed as much defensively.

Alzner - Carlson
Hamr - Green
Orlov - Wideman

Or trade Wideman................

Alzner - Carlson
Hamr - Green
Schultz - Orlov

I honestly like the first option better only because I don't remember seeing Schultz and Orlov together.

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02-15-2012, 10:40 AM
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I would re-sign Wideman if we could get the 4 x 4.3/4.5. If not, I trade him now.

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02-15-2012, 10:59 AM
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I would trade him anyhow.

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02-15-2012, 12:06 PM
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I'm on the fence about Wideman. If this team would come around shortly and with Green coming back, they could be very dangerous with Green, Carlson, Wideman, Orlov and Hamrlik in the same lineup. Green coming back in hopefully would put Wideman in a spot where he wouldn't be exposed as much defensively. But on the other hand trading Wideman for another missing piece (top 6 forward / 2C with expiring contract) becomes attractive too.

But in those 7 games to start the season I can't help to think that a lot of that success was not only because Green was in the lineup but because too, Wideman was tearing it up on that third pairing and not being exposed as much defensively.

Alzner - Carlson
Hamr - Green
Orlov - Wideman

Or trade Wideman................

Alzner - Carlson
Hamr - Green
Schultz - Orlov

I honestly like the first option better only because I don't remember seeing Schultz and Orlov together.
Option 3:

Alzner - Green
Tyutin - Orlov
Willie Mitchell - Carlson
Hamr

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02-15-2012, 12:16 PM
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Option 3:

Alzner - Green
Tyutin - Orlov
Willie Mitchell - Carlson
Hamr
For this year or next?

I was only considering this year and reasonable moves or options for this year.

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02-15-2012, 12:26 PM
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Option 3:

Alzner - Green
Tyutin - Orlov
Willie Mitchell - Carlson
Hamr
Mitchells close to an extension with La, Tyutins not going anywhere from CLB

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02-15-2012, 12:27 PM
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For this year or next?

I was only considering this year and reasonable moves or options for this year.
That was for next year. For this year I'd try to pry Tyutin from Columbus and trade Wideman.

For this year:
Alzner - Green
Tyutin - Orlov
Hamr - Carlson

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02-15-2012, 12:46 PM
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the only part wideman OR green play in the solution is their vacant $10++M cap space. obv its not gonna happen but wideman should be gone without any hesitation as this ship continues to sink. free up that 4 mil, bring in an asset and thats 2 building blocks for a new year that might actually go somewhere.

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02-15-2012, 01:29 PM
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Green seems to be healthier than he has been all season. If he plays soon, you guys are poised to make the playoffs.

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02-15-2012, 02:13 PM
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Green seems to be healthier than he has been all season. If he plays soon, you guys are poised to make the playoffs.
Sorry, but hope is not tolerated here. Doom and gloom only.

We are sellers! Even if we make the playoffs, there is no hope of winning the cup! Everyone must go!

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02-15-2012, 02:19 PM
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Green seems to be healthier than he has been all season. If he plays soon, you guys are poised to make the playoffs.
ESPN (I know) suggesting Lydman is a good fit to pair with Green. I'd do it.

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Why not pair Schultz with Green? He was a +55 recently when together.






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We're on the same page. It just kills me that we are mismanaging this very brief window of opportunity.
This actually hurts more than the playoff bounces since 2008 for me.

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02-15-2012, 04:44 PM
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Fact is your team is 9-0 with Green, subtracting the loss that occurred when he left early in the game after re-aggravating it. Your powerplay, transition game and overall team confidence will improve when a key guy like that returns. He is the equivalent to the Caps to what Markov is to the Canadiens. Nastiest wrist shot I have ever seen a D have.

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02-15-2012, 05:02 PM
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Fact is your team is 9-0 with Green, subtracting the loss that occurred when he left early in the game after re-aggravating it. Your powerplay, transition game and overall team confidence will improve when a key guy like that returns. He is the equivalent to the Caps to what Markov is to the Canadiens. Nastiest wrist shot I have ever seen a D have.
The facts are that he's not shown he can stay healthy.

He's a fantastic player if he can get on the ice to play, but there's not a lot of recent hope to suggest he can.

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The facts are that he's not shown he can stay healthy.

He's a fantastic player if he can get on the ice to play, but there's not a lot of recent hope to suggest he can.
I will say, the comments both Green and the team have made about his recovery post-surgery have a much more positive and encouraging feel than the remarks when he was just trying to get better. I will reserve judgement until he plays, but I am more hopeful than I was in December or January.

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I sure hope so. I'll believe it when he's playing 90% of the games or more.

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As long as they dont rush him, which I suspect they wont, he should come back fine. Hunter was asked when he would be cleared to play and he responded, "When he tells me he is ready." So I think its a matter of strengthening and conditioning. Should be about a 4-5 days away.

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