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Buy Low for Carter or Break Bank for Nash?

View Poll Results: Buy Low for Carter or Break Bank for Nash?
Buy Low for Carter 90 53.25%
Break Bank for Nash 43 25.44%
Neither 36 21.30%
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02-15-2012, 01:53 PM
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If I want a center from CBJ, it would be Johansen.

In terms of the poll: Nash AINEC.

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02-15-2012, 01:54 PM
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Valid point. But isn't Columbus likely going to have this problem with any high-end player they try to re-sign?
Sure, they certainly had to back the Brinks truck up for Nash.

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02-15-2012, 01:54 PM
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The fact they were traded for makes no difference. They're still talented individuals who were drafted highly. Difference is that we didn't have the majority of them on ELCs. But how many guys have won Conn Smythe's on an ELC?

Your spin machine has quite the mileage.

I suspect he/she/it was homeschooled

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02-15-2012, 02:00 PM
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The fact they were traded for makes no difference. They're still talented individuals who were drafted highly. Difference is that we didn't have the majority of them on ELCs. But how many guys have won Conn Smythe's on an ELC?

Your spin machine has quite the mileage.
No it just proves you haven't a clue what you are talking about and that you are arguing just for the sake of it.

Top 5 drafted and developed Cup winners: E Staal, Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, J Staal, Kane, Toews, Seguin

Top 5 drafted and traded-away, let-go Cup winners: Horton

8 to 1, since the new CBA and salary cap.

Asset management strategy, John. One day, maybe you'll understand it...

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02-15-2012, 02:07 PM
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Kadri, Colborne, Aulie and the 1st for Nash

or too much?

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02-15-2012, 02:20 PM
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Must be.

Logically the one with more value is seen as more valuable.
A players value varies depending on the team making the offer for him. All I was saying was that in my opinion Carter is much more valuable to the Leafs because we need a C not a RW to play second fiddle to Kessel.

But if this was back in the Sundin days, when we didn't have any good wingers, I would value Nash higher than Carter. If the whole league thought Nash was a better player than Carter (which apparently is the consensus) I would still prefer we went after Carter because Nash is not what the Leafs need most.

All you seem to want to do is nitpick my posts. Instead of adding to the conversation.
How about you try and form an opinion? Who would you rather have as a Leaf...Nash or Carter?

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02-15-2012, 02:21 PM
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Get em both. CLB is willing to throw in Carter with nash if you pay the full price for Nash. I'd say schenn, 1st 2012, kadri, colborne, 1st 2013 would do it. We give up only 2 prospects and 2 1st rounders but in that time we can easily recoup it by trading a FA or two for picks. 2013 pick won't be very high as we would be in the bottom 10 of the draft for sure if we made this deal.

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02-15-2012, 02:25 PM
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Picked the Carter option.

Obviously Burke will inquire about Nash, but I'm wondering how the Leafs will be able to afford/find spots for Nash $7.8M, Kessel $5.4M, Lupul will want probably north of $5M when he becomes a UFA. Then we've got 2nd liners in Kulemin, MacArthur, with Kadri and Frattin having the potential to become 2nd liners.

It'll be like the Broduer situation in NJ with young goalies. We won't have any spots for young wingers on our team for 5+ years.

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02-15-2012, 02:25 PM
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Get em both. CLB is willing to throw in Carter with nash if you pay the full price for Nash. I'd say schenn, 1st 2012, kadri, colborne, 1st 2013 would do it. We give up only 2 prospects and 2 1st rounders but in that time we can easily recoup it by trading a FA or two for picks. 2013 pick won't be very high as we would be in the bottom 10 of the draft for sure if we made this deal.
So basically you are saying...

Schenn + Kadri + mid-1st round pick for Nash

Colborne + mid-1st round pick for Carter




?

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02-15-2012, 02:35 PM
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A players value varies depending on the team making the offer for him. All I was saying was that in my opinion Carter is much more valuable to the Leafs because we need a C not a RW to play second fiddle to Kessel.

But if this was back in the Sundin days, when we didn't have any good wingers, I would value Nash higher than Carter. If the whole league thought Nash was a better player than Carter (which apparently is the consensus) I would still prefer we went after Carter because Nash is not what the Leafs need most.

All you seem to want to do is nitpick my posts. Instead of adding to the conversation.
How about you try and form an opinion? Who would you rather have as a Leaf...Nash or Carter?
Was just trying to understand because as I said it seemed contradictory.

Wanted Nash on this Team for a long time so him easily. Admittedly I haven't seen Carter nearly as much as Nash.

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02-15-2012, 02:41 PM
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What constitutes buying low when we are essentially purchasing $58 million dollars?

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Carter would be sweet. Used to be a good penalty killer to but it is the offensive game he brings that would add value to us. Don't really see the need for Nash unless Kessel goes the other way. Don't want to spend to much cash on the wings when we are so weak at the centre.

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02-15-2012, 02:43 PM
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Kadri, Colborne, Aulie and the 1st for Nash

or too much?
I would do that in a heartbeat...

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02-15-2012, 02:50 PM
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Was just trying to understand because as I said it seemed contradictory.

Wanted Nash on this Team for a long time so him easily. Admittedly I haven't seen Carter nearly as much as Nash.
Hey I agree with you there, I've wanted Nash on the Leafs since he broke into the league. There is just something about players from Toronto getting to be Leafs. I just think they would give us more effort for whatever reason (it's the same reason I want Parise on the Leafs). And if Nash was a natural centre it would be a no brainier for me to go after him. But Carter fits on our roster so much better, and with that tiny "burke-like" cap hit Carter just seems like a more logical piece to pursue.

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02-15-2012, 02:52 PM
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I say neither, because I would get both.

Listen if we can get Carter and Nash without giving up Phaneuf, Gunnerson, Liles, Gardiner, Lupol, Kessel, Bozak, Frattin, Kulemin, Grabovski, Steckle, Brown, Crabb, Reimer and Gustofsson. Do it.

Why not the following:

Schenn, Komisarek, Schrivens, Kadri and 2nd

for

Nash, Huselius

Colbourne, McCarther, and a 3rd

for

Carter

Lineup

Lupol- Carter - Kessel
Nash - Grabovski - Connolly
Kulemin - Bozak - Frattin
Brown - Steckle -Crabb

Phaneuff - Aulie
Gunnerson - Liles
Gardiner - Holzner

Reimer
Gustufsson

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02-15-2012, 03:06 PM
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I'd go after Carter -- I bet he can be had for little. With Nash basically saying he's going, Columbus isn't going to keep Carter around -- he's going to want to be there even less knowing that the team is rebuilding.

I bet we could get him for Schenn + a dump like Lombardi.

As much as I like Nash, his cap-hit is insane. It's basically 8 million. I really hope he goes to the Rangers and they run into the same problems they've always had.

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I'd do both.

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02-15-2012, 03:55 PM
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Neither will happen.

Burke will make no trade that will be worth talking about.

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02-15-2012, 04:06 PM
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just out of curiosity would anyone do a three way trade where we trade Grabo to a team for futures and then bring Carter in to replace him? Grabo probably gonna be signing for roughly the same cap hit, and I think Carter is alot better player overall. this would sort of be like a three way trade something like

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02-15-2012, 04:11 PM
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I say neither, because I would get both.

Listen if we can get Carter and Nash without giving up Phaneuf, Gunnerson, Liles, Gardiner, Lupol, Kessel, Bozak, Frattin, Kulemin, Grabovski, Steckle, Brown, Crabb, Reimer and Gustofsson. Do it.

Why not the following:

Schenn, Komisarek, Schrivens, Kadri and 2nd

for

Nash, Huselius

Colbourne, McCarther, and a 3rd

for

Carter

Lineup

Lupol- Carter - Kessel
Nash - Grabovski - Connolly
Kulemin - Bozak - Frattin
Brown - Steckle -Crabb

Phaneuff - Aulie
Gunnerson - Liles
Gardiner - Holzner

Reimer
Gustufsson
Why would any of the bolded be untouchable in a deal for Nash? Frattin and Kulemin play somewhat similar game's to Nash but are no where near his level and neither ever will be. The other guys... no sense at all taking those players off the table when you're talking about a guy like Nash. Only left Bozak unbolded due to his value to us as a team weak at center.

Nash would cost a lot (at least 2-3 of the guys on your list I left unbolded). I think Carter is a far smarter trade option for us.

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02-15-2012, 05:02 PM
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Why isn't it "Buy Low" on Nash as well? Anyone see his salary and stats and watched his lazy play?

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Neither will happen.

Burke will make no trade that will be worth talking about.
I think Burke grabs Dustin Penner for nothing at the deadline and that's his biggest move.

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wouldn't like to see either as leafs honestly

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Both. I think both are better than anything we have now. I'd include Kessel and Lupul in that deal. Straight up if possible. Reminds me of the Jays trade for Carter and that shortstop. This deal would need a new coach obviously.

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Get nash!

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