HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Toronto Maple Leafs
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Burke's Team - Not what he promised

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
02-14-2012, 05:03 PM
  #476
Joey Hoser
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Guelph
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,405
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PresidentCamacho View Post
Again, lawyer jargon can be used to spin anything in any which way.

I'd feel more comfortably knowing what individual scouts are reporting upwards; actual names and credentials.

Wal-mart is a pretty big operation but how good do they come through on the quality?
I always when I read Burke being a lawyer. He took a three year course more than 30 freakin' years ago and has never worked in law in his life.

The fact that you try to slyly use that as ammo against him is pretty telling.

Joey Hoser is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2012, 04:08 PM
  #477
Espher
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Fredericton, N.B.
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,496
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to Espher Send a message via AIM to Espher Send a message via MSN to Espher Send a message via Yahoo to Espher
So I took a look at the years in which Brian Burke was drafting, excluding the past five drafts (2007-2011). This amounts to 10 drafts -- 1992, 1993, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006. The criteria for a 'hit' was a player clearing 300 games played (I tried to make sure the totals included this year's games-to-date, but I might have missed a couple of players).

By year, here is how Burke ranked:

1992: Burke - 9.09% (1/11), League - 15.91% (42/264)
1993: Burke - 37.50% (3/8), League - 19.23% (55/286)
1998: Burke - 16.67% (2/12), League - 18.60% (48/258)
1999: Burke - 25.00% (2/8), League - 10.66% (29/272)
2000: Burke - 0.00% (0/7), League - 12.11% (35/289)
2001: Burke - 33.33% (2/6), League - 14.88% (43/289)
2002: Burke - 0.00% (0/11), League - 13.06% (38/291)
2003: Burke - 10.00% (1/10), League - 13.01% (38/292)
2005: Burke - 16.67% (1/6), League - 6.96% (16/230)
2006: Burke - 0.00% (0/5), League - 3.27% (7/214)

Total: Burke - 14.29% (12/84), League - 13.07% (351/2685)
Total (Pre-2005): Burke - 15.07% (11/73), League - 14.64% (328/2241)

Here are the totals by round:
1st: Burke - 70.00% (7/10), League - 54.04% (154/285)
2nd: Burke - 14.29% (1/7), League - 18.30% (58/317)
3rd: Burke - 16.67% (2/12), League - 12.37% (37/299)
4th: Burke - 0.00% (0/9), League - 6.77% (21/310)
5th: Burke - 20.00% (2/10), League - 5.64% (18/319)
6th+: Burke - 0.00% (0/36), League - 5.45% (63/1155)

I haven't tried any other angles, like examining how he did versus the same draft positions versus other years, or removing certain groupings altogether to gauge performance (top x picks, only checking performance in each year for rounds 1-5, etc).

Burke is more or less hovering right around the average, with a couple of blips -- for example, in 1999, he came out well ahead of the curve (especially in the first round which was full of disappointing selections), but in 2000, he happened to pick one of the first round busts (getting one of the hits would have put him above the average since he had seven picks).

Edit: Looking quickly, removing top five selections would give some of the following:

Total: Burke - 8.86% (7/79), League - 11.65% (307/2635)
Total (Pre-2005): Burke - 10.14% (7/69), League - 13.22% (291/2201)
1st Round: Burke - 40.00% (2/5), League - 46.81% (110/235)

Again, not that far off the mark considering the sample sizes.


Last edited by Espher: 02-15-2012 at 04:19 PM.
Espher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2012, 07:57 PM
  #478
Spamhuis
Registered User
 
Spamhuis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Victoria
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,939
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Espher View Post
So I took a look at the years in which Brian Burke was drafting, excluding the past five drafts (2007-2011). This amounts to 10 drafts -- 1992, 1993, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006. The criteria for a 'hit' was a player clearing 300 games played (I tried to make sure the totals included this year's games-to-date, but I might have missed a couple of players).

By year, here is how Burke ranked:

1992: Burke - 9.09% (1/11), League - 15.91% (42/264)
1993: Burke - 37.50% (3/8), League - 19.23% (55/286)
1998: Burke - 16.67% (2/12), League - 18.60% (48/258)
1999: Burke - 25.00% (2/8), League - 10.66% (29/272)
2000: Burke - 0.00% (0/7), League - 12.11% (35/289)
2001: Burke - 33.33% (2/6), League - 14.88% (43/289)
2002: Burke - 0.00% (0/11), League - 13.06% (38/291)
2003: Burke - 10.00% (1/10), League - 13.01% (38/292)
2005: Burke - 16.67% (1/6), League - 6.96% (16/230)
2006: Burke - 0.00% (0/5), League - 3.27% (7/214)

Total: Burke - 14.29% (12/84), League - 13.07% (351/2685)
Total (Pre-2005): Burke - 15.07% (11/73), League - 14.64% (328/2241)

Here are the totals by round:
1st: Burke - 70.00% (7/10), League - 54.04% (154/285)
2nd: Burke - 14.29% (1/7), League - 18.30% (58/317)
3rd: Burke - 16.67% (2/12), League - 12.37% (37/299)
4th: Burke - 0.00% (0/9), League - 6.77% (21/310)
5th: Burke - 20.00% (2/10), League - 5.64% (18/319)
6th+: Burke - 0.00% (0/36), League - 5.45% (63/1155)

I haven't tried any other angles, like examining how he did versus the same draft positions versus other years, or removing certain groupings altogether to gauge performance (top x picks, only checking performance in each year for rounds 1-5, etc).

Burke is more or less hovering right around the average, with a couple of blips -- for example, in 1999, he came out well ahead of the curve (especially in the first round which was full of disappointing selections), but in 2000, he happened to pick one of the first round busts (getting one of the hits would have put him above the average since he had seven picks).

Edit: Looking quickly, removing top five selections would give some of the following:

Total: Burke - 8.86% (7/79), League - 11.65% (307/2635)
Total (Pre-2005): Burke - 10.14% (7/69), League - 13.22% (291/2201)
1st Round: Burke - 40.00% (2/5), League - 46.81% (110/235)

Again, not that far off the mark considering the sample sizes.
As a vancouver fan I have come to realize that it is not his draft selections that I had a problem with it was his frequency of giving them away. So while he has a nice percentage of quality players picked he picks much less than other gm's in his past stints.

Obviously he has picked more in TO so hopefully he gets some good talent for you.

Don't let dave nonis pick, however. Patrick white is still a major facepalm

Spamhuis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
02-15-2012, 08:08 PM
  #479
bluebarry
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 776
vCash: 500
did si do the bit about the nhl's most hated coach?

bluebarry is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:58 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.