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02-15-2012, 11:19 AM
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Trade deadline? Comparisons to a previous year

Not to get ahead of ourselves, but lets take a look at a random year in the past:

To Chicago: Tony Amonte and Matt Cullen
To Rangers: Stephane Matteau and Brian Noonan

To Toronto: Mike Gartner
To Rangers: Glenn Anderson, Scott Malone, and a 4th round pick

To Rangers: Craig MacTavish
To Edmonton: Todd Marchant

Rangers obviously gave to get... We can't know the outcome if these deals were not made. So do the Rangers stand firm this year? Or try some major shakeups as they did 18 years ago (god I'm old).

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02-15-2012, 12:50 PM
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Profet - interesting post. Looking back on that trade and reading a few books on it, Keenan really wanted those guys. He felt that the Rangers were soft and those players added the necessary grit. Never before nor ever since do I remember such a shake up at the deadline. The only other example I could think of was the Rangers (again) in the deadline of 1996. The Kurri, Churla, McSorely trade.

I prefer the Rangers go with the players they have. On the surface, it appears the Rangers have a well-oiled machine that is resilient when it comes to call ups. The way the big club and the minor league system has been working reminds me of the *GULP* Devils of the late 90s early 2000s (sans the trap).

Imagine that 1994 trade with the salary cap enforced?


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Not to get ahead of ourselves, but lets take a look at a random year in the past:

To Chicago: Tony Amonte and Matt Cullen
To Rangers: Stephane Matteau and Brian Noonan

To Toronto: Mike Gartner
To Rangers: Glenn Anderson, Scott Malone, and a 4th round pick

To Rangers: Craig MacTavish
To Edmonton: Todd Marchant

Rangers obviously gave to get... We can't know the outcome if these deals were not made. So do the Rangers stand firm this year? Or try some major shakeups as they did 18 years ago (god I'm old).
Also, don't forget Patrick and Turcotte for Larmer earlier in the year. The 93-94 team won the Presidents trophy yet tuened over 20% of their roster during the season.

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02-15-2012, 02:55 PM
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Btw, the Rangers traded away Matt Oates with Amonte, not Cullen .

That said, I don't think the Rangers make any big moves. Of course I could be wrong.

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Completely different era, but I get your point.

We bascially traded away highly skilled scorers (Amonte, Gartner) for tougher, more blue-collar type guys that could win faceoffs. (McT, was HUGE part of our puck posession)

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Well there's certainly no shortage of grit on this team. On contrary, the concern is lack of scoring.

I wonder if we'd look to make the opposite kind of deal this year i.e. trading some role players for scorers.

Fedotenko, when healthy, looks like an expendable piece. Can't imagine Torts would let him go though.

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Well there's certainly no shortage of grit on this team. On contrary, the concern is lack of scoring.

I wonder if we'd look to make the opposite kind of deal this year i.e. trading some role players for scorers.

Fedotenko, when healthy, looks like an expendable piece. Can't imagine Torts would let him go though.
Onion - great point. You know what is a minor concern is that this team seems to play playoff hockey all year. Physical, grinding hockey. The plus is that the team is battle tested and could be prepared for the playoff grind, the concern is that the team is worn out. I am not too concerned but a little. It would also be nice to keep a higher seed for the playoffs and not have to grind out the last two weeks of the season.

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Well there's certainly no shortage of grit on this team. On contrary, the concern is lack of scoring.

I wonder if we'd look to make the opposite kind of deal this year i.e. trading some role players for scorers.

Fedotenko, when healthy, looks like an expendable piece. Can't imagine Torts would let him go though.
They either trade extra pieces for scoring or stand pat. I'd rather stand pat and see how far they can go. Ideally though, if we could replace anisimov with bobby ryan and eminger with shea weber, that team would seem completely battle ready for anybody. The problem is we can't acquire those pieces without gutting the team and prospects. I'm sure other names might be plugged in but those were the first two that I thought ideally balance everything out.

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The Rangers of this season are more similar to the Rangers of 92-93.

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The Rangers of this season are more similar to the Rangers of 92-93.
Not statistically, obviously, but how so?

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Not statistically, obviously, but how so?
Yeah, how so?

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I am very obviously lacking sleep and meant 1993-94 with their point-pace.

: at myself.....

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As someone else mentioned, different era so it's tough to compare. There was no cap back then and I think there's more of a premium on cheap young talent now.

Also, there was a level of extreme desperation back then that doesn't exist now because the Rangers were still in the midst of their long cup drought. Neil Smith was willing to mortgage the future for a cup by trading Amonte for some of Keenan's guys. I can only imagine the reaction on this board if we had a player like Amonte and traded him for today's equivalent of Matteau and Noonan

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Matt Cullen in the Matteau deal? The Matt Cullen? I didn't think he was that old....

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I am very obviously lacking sleep and meant 1993-94 with their point-pace.

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As a senior in college trying to graduate with my BBA in finance by the end of this summer and taking 6 upper level classes... I feel your pain sir.

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and then there was also this trade:

Ray Ferraro, Mattias Norstrom, Ian Laperriere, Nathan Lafayette and a fourth-rounder to the Kings for Jari Kurri, Marty McSorley and Shane Churla

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Bobby Ryan for Artem Anisimov and Wojtek Wolski. All in favor?

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Bobby Ryan for Artem Anisimov and Wojtek Wolski. All in favor?
In a heartbeat

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Bobby Ryan for Artem Anisimov and Wojtek Wolski. All in favor?
Everyone but the Ducks.

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and then there was also this trade:

Ray Ferraro, Mattias Norstrom, Ian Laperriere, Nathan Lafayette and a fourth-rounder to the Kings for Jari Kurri, Marty McSorley and Shane Churla
Yes that was the trade I referenced earlier. That one didn't seem to make sense and the Rangers were unbalanced after that trade. I don't know about anyone else but I thought Ferraro was fine as a 2nd line center. Weren't both Verbeek and Messier on pace for 50+ goals but missed a few games that season?

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As a senior in college trying to graduate with my BBA in finance by the end of this summer and taking 6 upper level classes... I feel your pain sir.
wait till you own a business. Any day where I don't work 12 hours is a good day.

7 days a week.

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Bobby Ryan for Artem Anisimov and Wojtek Wolski. All in favor?
Aye.

But I don't see this team making a big roster move, and I hope we do not.

I have no problem if a smaller type move is made, but by no means do I want to see a major trade. Don't fix what isn't broken.

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wait till you own a business. Any day where I don't work 12 hours is a good day.

7 days a week.
Depending on what kind of business you own, sometimes working 12 hour days is actually a good thing.

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