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02-16-2012, 09:11 PM
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And Markov is no Lidstrom. The latter is an elite player with several accomplishments. Markov's gotta keep himself on the ice before he can be close to a Lidstrom whose longevity for an NHL d-man has been nothing short of miraculous.
No one is a Lidstrom. He is in the top 10 or so all-time. Harvey, Robinson, Bourque, Potvin, etc.

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02-16-2012, 09:12 PM
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anything about markovs health is never for sure

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This is so stupid! When will they stop bsing us?

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02-16-2012, 10:16 PM
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This is so stupid! When will they stop bsing us?
I don't think its BSing. I think the Doctors cant predict when he'll be 100% healthy.

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Finally his contract was 2 years, at over 7.5 lol !

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Can Markov just quit already and retires? That would save a lot of people's time and energy. I swear I won't be mad if he just retires.

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02-16-2012, 10:40 PM
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Can Markov just quit already and retires? That would save a lot of people's time and energy. I swear I won't be mad if he just retires.
Yeah, I fully expect him to just walk away from $11.5 million by retiring in the summer.

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02-16-2012, 10:51 PM
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anything about markovs health is never for sure
That's not true. He's for sure unhealthy...

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Too many people are forgetting how important and the sheer quality of a player Markov is...you think he wants to be injured?

Markov is injured, he had set backs, really the amount of lack of support Markov gets is astonishing...yet Koivu, Patches, Savage we give seem to give many people lots of lovin' during their tough times but Markov...patience...kaput...gone...finito...I can not wait for all of you Markov doomsdaymongers to eat crow once Markov is back and playing well...The Wiz whom you all love had 3 major knee injuries and surgeries...These athletes go through these things.

Finally, if Markov does not return at the same or close level of what he was before for goodness sake he will be better than Kaberle...and Gomez...put together...Markov with one leg and one eye can still own half the D and F in this league. He gave his heart in soul for this club he is the longest serving player of the habs and the assistant Captain...support this player already he was/is a point machine and does so many things well...

MARKOV WILL RETURN!

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Too many people are forgetting how important and the sheer quality of a player Markov is...you think he wants to be injured?

Markov is injured, he had set backs, really the amount of lack of support Markov gets is astonishing...yet Koivu, Patches, Savage we give seem to give many people lots of lovin' during their tough times but Markov...patience...kaput...gone...finito...I can not wait for all of you Markov doomsdaymongers to eat crow once Markov is back and playing well...The Wiz whom you all love had 3 major knee injuries and surgeries...These athletes go through these things.

Finally, if Markov does not return at the same or close level of what he was before for goodness sake he will be better than Kaberle...and Gomez...put together...Markov with one leg and one eye can still own have the D in this league. He gave his heart in soul for this club he is the longest serving player of the habs and the assistant Captain...support this player already he was/is a point machine and does so many things well...

MARKOV WILL RETURN!
As a commentator...maybe....

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02-16-2012, 10:57 PM
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Too many people are forgetting how important and the sheer quality of a player Markov is...you think he wants to be injured?

Markov is injured, he had set backs, really the amount of lack of support Markov gets is astonishing...yet Koivu, Patches, Savage we give seem to give many people lots of lovin' during their tough times but Markov...patience...kaput...gone...finito...I can not wait for all of you Markov doomsdaymongers to eat crow once Markov is back and playing well...The Wiz whom you all love had 3 major knee injuries and surgeries...These athletes go through these things.

Finally, if Markov does not return at the same or close level of what he was before for goodness sake he will be better than Kaberle...and Gomez...put together...Markov with one leg and one eye can still own half the D and F in this league. He gave his heart in soul for this club he is the longest serving player of the habs and the assistant Captain...support this player already he was/is a point machine and does so many things well...

MARKOV WILL RETURN!
It's not like the club didn't give him anything in return. I mean he is getting paid ridiculous amounts of money and he hasn't played a full season in over 3 yrs. Doctors familiar with the surgery markov has undergone have said this guy's knee is finished. Problem is that PG was too stupid to see it. In the famous words of Cosmo Kramer, "Put a fork in him, he's done!" That being said I'd love to be proved wrong but I just don't see it man. Sorry.

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02-16-2012, 11:02 PM
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It's not like the club didn't give him anything in return. I mean he is getting paid ridiculous amounts of money and he hasn't played a full season in over 3 yrs. Doctors familiar with the surgery markov has undergone have said this guy's knee is finished. Problem is that PG was too stupid to see it. In the famous words of Cosmo Kramer, "Put a fork in him, he's done!" That being said I'd love to be proved wrong but I just don't see it man. Sorry.
Yeah, I'm sure this is how the conversation went.

Gauthier: So Doc, how is Markov's knee... when can he play.
Doctor: He's finished, he'll never play again.
Gauthier: I don't believe you; Im going to give him a 3 year deal at 5.75 million per season.

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02-16-2012, 11:11 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure this is how the conversation went.

Gauthier: So Doc, how is Markov's knee... when can he play.
Doctor: He's finished, he'll never play again.
Gauthier: I don't believe you; Im going to give him a 3 year deal at 5.75 million per season.
I should have specified by saying that some doctors that did not personally operate on Markov have said he was finished. Obviously some docs gave PG the green light. But even then PG shouldve been bright enough to realize this guys knee is in bad shape and should've offered Markov a take-it-or-leave-it 1 yr deal à la Gorges to prove he was ok. But instead he went full retard.


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02-16-2012, 11:12 PM
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If you're going to sign Markov...fine. But you don't go into the season with just 2 vets in Gorges and Gill and expect to actually have a legit shot at the playoffs. Even with Markov healthy, the D did not look good. This falls squarely on Gauthier's shoulders.

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02-16-2012, 11:34 PM
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2 things that are wrong in terms of the premise of your post.

1) Markov and Gorges as UFA and RFA respectively were not in the same situation.

2) Who was Gauthier supposed to listen to, the actual doctor who operated on Markov, or these guys who didn't actually see Markov's MRIs, didn't do the surgery, and were speculating based on incomplete information from the media?

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02-16-2012, 11:41 PM
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Wait, I'm confused, has there been further complications from the surgery or is this the media speculating?

At this point it's looking increasingly likely his career is over, but I'm wondering where all this new panic is coming from. The one story on the past few pages doesn't really say much.

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Wait, I'm confused, has there been further complications from the surgery or is this the media speculating?

At this point it's looking increasingly likely his career is over, but I'm wondering where all this new panic is coming from. The one story on the past few pages doesn't really say much.
As of a few days ago Randy Cunneyworth was asked about Markov's progress...it was put to him that Markov's sessions now total 50 to 60minutes per session, RC confirmed the progress looks good...But revealed little much else...

The firestorm of speculation and malaise revolving Markov's injury has never ended and will only be put to rest once he is playing again and helping us...

The most recent controversy hitting the waves now is when Don Meehan (Markov's Agent) was asked if he would ever play this season the reply was something along the lines as we will see or we have not decided yet...so all the recent speculation is the nittpicking of what those comments really infer...

Fact is Markov is on the ice and is relatively close to returning...DEPENDING on how the swelling is managed...but the truer fact remains we know very little as to how the swelling situation is right now so every little detail is being over speculated by too many people...

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02-17-2012, 01:22 AM
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well, as much as i hate gauthier, i dont blame him for resigning markov. he thought, just like everyone else, that markov would be back by november. Unfortunately, it didnt work out the way it was expected..

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Markov is a blessing in disguise if we get a top 5 pick and if he comes back fully healthy next year.

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Markov is a blessing in disguise if we get a top 5 pick and if he comes back fully healthy next year.
fully healthy would be 20 games for Markov. Even if he returns and can play anything close to a full schedule (60 games), his knee is so utterly destroyed that he will never be the Markov we remember.

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fully healthy would be 20 games for Markov. Even if he returns and can play anything close to a full schedule (60 games), his knee is so utterly destroyed that he will never be the Markov we remember.
It's purely speculative. Many athletes had multiple knee surgeries. I say he's not done. Those idiots on TSN assume out of media-crity that he is finished. I doubt so. Gauthier wouldn't have signed him and the medical staff would have said something.

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2 things that are wrong in terms of the premise of your post.

1) Markov and Gorges as UFA and RFA respectively were not in the same situation.

2) Who was Gauthier supposed to listen to, the actual doctor who operated on Markov, or these guys who didn't actually see Markov's MRIs, didn't do the surgery, and were speculating based on incomplete information from the media?
The HF posters who thought it wise to either sign Hamr or get a replacement for him. But in addition plenty of HF posters said Markov had up to a year to heal which would have had him back in late December.

Or one could go online without listening to the doctor or Markov and do some research about the timeline for recovery. Markov was signing a contract - what was he going to say - "hmmmm, I feel pretty good but, but, but this is my second surgery you know."

So in reality Gauthier had plenty of resources and ideas here at HF but did not utilize them. And another poster (Kriss E) already implied this - prepare for next year like Markov's not available. Look at what worked while he hasn't played. So in addition to what's already here get rid of Kaberle and find a blast from the point. And get another top four 2 way d-man.

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It makes absolutely zero sense to use online information of a very general nature such as the research you describe to diagnose Markov's injury and recovery time and to trust that information ahead of the very specialists and doctors who were working on his knee.

It makes even less sense to trust HF posters to diagnose the thing.

What you are suggesting is ridiculous and not how any normal person in gauthiers shoes should or would act.

No two injuries are exactly alike, no two people are exactly alike. To trust general information on the internet ahead of the info and diagnoses of some of the best specialists in the world, who worked on the specific player injury in question is ridiculous.

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fully healthy would be 20 games for Markov. Even if he returns and can play anything close to a full schedule (60 games), his knee is so utterly destroyed that he will never be the Markov we remember.
Why would his knee be so utterly destroyed? He had a ligament REPLACED. It's not like they operated twice on the same one, it's a NEW one. Wisniewski had 3 of these surgeries and he didn't look like a 120 yaer old man on skates last year.

Markov's problem, more than structure, has been swelling(2 or 3 times) trying to crank up his rehab, it was probably related to lose bodies in the joint(obviously rubbing and causing inflamation), hopefully that will be avoided this time and he can resume his career at close to 100%.

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