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02-01-2012, 06:15 PM
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I don't understand why people don't think Gravboski isn't a number 1 center. Last year he had 23rd most points out of all centers, this year he is currently 23rd and lately has been on a tear and moving up fast. Last I checked there are 30 teams in the league, therefore 30 number 1 centers. The only reason Gravboski isn't the number 1 center on the leafs is because he doesn't have good chemistry with the leafs number 1 player.

Given his points production and all that is said about him (his back-checking, his heart and soul etc) I don't see it being unreasonable for him to ask 5m+. If he goes to UFA and a bidding war assumes I can see him getting 6m+ although for a shorter term, 5.5 or so on a longer term with a front loaded contract.

Keep in mind I hope he stays in Toronto, he is becoming if not already the fan favourite, his girlfriend and him have 2 kids now and no rumblings of Gravboski wanting to leave. If he stays the leafs can become a serious cup contendor in a couple years, hopefully that is more incentive for him to take a discount.

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02-01-2012, 06:31 PM
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I don't understand why people don't think Gravboski isn't a number 1 center. Last year he had 23rd most points out of all centers, this year he is currently 23rd and lately has been on a tear and moving up fast. Last I checked there are 30 teams in the league, therefore 30 number 1 centers. The only reason Gravboski isn't the number 1 center on the leafs is because he doesn't have good chemistry with the leafs number 1 player.

Given his points production and all that is said about him (his back-checking, his heart and soul etc) I don't see it being unreasonable for him to ask 5m+. If he goes to UFA and a bidding war assumes I can see him getting 6m+ although for a shorter term, 5.5 or so on a longer term with a front loaded contract.

Keep in mind I hope he stays in Toronto, he is becoming if not already the fan favourite, his girlfriend and him have 2 kids now and no rumblings of Gravboski wanting to leave. If he stays the leafs can become a serious cup contendor in a couple years, hopefully that is more incentive for him to take a discount.
It's because of his style of play. He's not particularly great on the PP, or in set-up/cycle offenses in general, he thrives more in transition. He's more of a 2nd unit PP guy than a 1st unit PP guy, and your #1 C should be out there with your top wingers on the 1st PP unit. Teams also often like big centers on the 1st line to clear space for the wingers, and Grabo is a bit undersized. Teams also want a playmaker with their top wingers, whereas Grabo is more of a "do it himself" goal scorer. He's also "meh" on faceoffs, is around 48-49% every year, another reason not to have him on the 1st unit PP.

Basically, he's an excellent #2 C because he's a really good 5 on 5 player, a guy who can carry a line even with mediocre wingers, someone who injects a tonne of energy into the lineup, and who can be really effective without much PP time. But he's not really a 1st line C because you wouldn't want him on your 1st PP unit, and since he's more of a goal scorer than a playmaker, you don't necessarily want to pair him with your star wingers either.

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If the Devils lose Parise to UFA they will be going after Grabovski.

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I think when everything is all said and done, Grabo will take a paycut to stay with the Leafs. When he was traded here, he mentioned to a reporter that he had some immediate family members already living in the city. His wife, that he has 2 kids with, is a TO native, him and Kulie are very close buds, plus he loves Wilson and is very grateful for all of the opportunities he has given to him as a Leaf. Burke actually said that last year when Wilson was really hearing it from fans and reporters, Grabo went up to Burke privately and asked not to fire him.

There's a lot more evidence pointing to him staying than testing the market next summer imo.

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If the Devils lose Parise to UFA they will be going after Grabovski.
or just trade us Parise for Grabovski

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I don't want to give Grabo more then 4.5 cap hit... the closer to 4 we can get the better.

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i am not sure anyone sees him as a number 1 center... and as such doubt he would get 5 mill... but its interesting to me that when krecji signed most people seemed to think he was overpaid

but grabovski gets support for even more money from alot of posters here... and no one seemed to be concerned about koivu or statsny comparisons when krecji was being evaluated

i wouldnt go over 4 for grabovski.. but i guess someone else would and i wouldnt end up getting him
You don't need to be a #1 centre to get $5m.

The way the market has evolved with the cap circumventing contracts, first line Cs and second line Cs get practically the same cap hit. The difference is the term / dollars. Teams are able to get top talent for $8-9m cash and $5-7m on the cap.... that's allowed them to spend $4-6m on 2nd line talent. A lot of posters view Jeff Carter as being better than Grabovski, and I'd probably agree, although not by much. Grabo could easily get the $5.27 that Jeff Carter makes -- the only difference is that it would have to be on a 2 or 3 year deal as opposed to Carter's 10.

That being said, given those 2 options, I take Grabo. The assets we'd get for trading him are likely less than it would cost to acquire Carter. Neither is a #1C for us, so it's entirely possible that we want to run with Bozak-Colborne as the #2-3 in the near future. Grabo is a lead-by-example player, Jeff Carter is not.

People view Krejci as overpaid because some of his 3 years were RFA years, whereas Grabo is UFA.

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02-17-2012, 06:53 AM
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It's because of his style of play. He's not particularly great on the PP, or in set-up/cycle offenses in general, he thrives more in transition. He's more of a 2nd unit PP guy than a 1st unit PP guy, and your #1 C should be out there with your top wingers on the 1st PP unit. Teams also often like big centers on the 1st line to clear space for the wingers, and Grabo is a bit undersized. Teams also want a playmaker with their top wingers, whereas Grabo is more of a "do it himself" goal scorer. He's also "meh" on faceoffs, is around 48-49% every year, another reason not to have him on the 1st unit PP.

Basically, he's an excellent #2 C because he's a really good 5 on 5 player, a guy who can carry a line even with mediocre wingers, someone who injects a tonne of energy into the lineup, and who can be really effective without much PP time. But he's not really a 1st line C because you wouldn't want him on your 1st PP unit, and since he's more of a goal scorer than a playmaker, you don't necessarily want to pair him with your star wingers either.
Good post - agreed. I'll also just note that he's not exactly consistent enough for a 1C spot too - yes he sores, and yes he can get you 50-60 pts by chipping in a point every game or two, but he doesn't dominate..

IMO he would be most effective on a line with big strong wingers to open space and ice up for him. On Toronto, with Kule and Mac, they score some but guys run them a lot, and our D can't always be running in for protection. Throw him in the middle between one or two sandpaper wingers and he'll thrive.

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5 million + for the greedy Belarussian.

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Grabovski is not a 5 million dollar player... but wouldn't be surprised if he got that on open market.

I think 4-4.5 is fair for Grabovski... anything more is over payment.

Curious if leaf fans want this guy at 5 million per year... I certainly wouldn't.

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