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02-17-2012, 10:31 AM
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I'll take him for JVR in a heartbeat. Who's interested?

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02-17-2012, 10:37 AM
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I'm not sure what teams might be after JJ, but I think its safe to assume that he's only available for a top line scorer. Teams who might be willing to move a top line scorer are few and far between. I also think his contract might hold some teams back from making an offer. His cap hit is pretty big for a one dimensional guy.

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I'll take him for JVR in a heartbeat. Who's interested?
A deal like that may work, but it was discussed a nausium that Schenn+ a little would get JVR. JJ hold more value than Schenn, so it would probably be JVR+. Not sure what the plus would be though.

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02-17-2012, 10:44 AM
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A deal like that may work, but it was discussed a nausium that Schenn+ a little would get JVR. JJ hold more value than Schenn, so it would probably be JVR+. Not sure what the plus would be though.
How does JVR and Bourdon/Gustaffson/pick sound?

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02-17-2012, 10:46 AM
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Obviously, they are trying to move him. No takers though.
If they're actively listening to offers, I'm sure most NHL GM's with teams in contention are banging down Dean Lombardi's door.

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02-17-2012, 10:49 AM
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Sorry, don't see Rangers can match your W needs.
Only 1 for 1 sniper we have Gaborik we need to keep.

Alternate value of Anisimov, Dubinsky, (both good Fs who can W but not snipers) Sauer + Christian Thomas (boom bust but real sniper only issue is size) + X
for JJ + Y probably too many pieces to move

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Sorry, don't see Rangers can match your W needs.
Only 1 for 1 sniper we have Gaborik we need to keep.

Alternate value of Anisimov, Dubinsky, (both good Fs who can W but not snipers) Sauer + Christian Thomas (boom bust but real sniper only issue is size) + X
for JJ + Y probably too many pieces to move
Unsolicited, but... thanks for the info?

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Obviously, they are trying to move him. No takers though.
Ya, ok. We're really trying to move our 2nd best offensive dman, and ABSOLUTELY no one wants him. Ok.

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How does JVR and Bourdon/Gustaffson/pick sound?
I wouldn't mind this if the Nash deal doesn't work out.

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02-17-2012, 11:23 AM
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Ya, ok. We're really trying to move our 2nd best offensive dman, and ABSOLUTELY no one wants him. Ok.
Not quite saying that Jack Johnson is the kind of player I'm describing, but as the old saying goes, "Just because they are a <insert higher line position> on your team doesn't mean he is the same on other teams."

The thing is, I think that Johnson really walks the line. I can see him being an absolute stud offensively and decent defensively. I can also see him falling off the face of the Earth if he's on the wrong team, with the wrong system. He's obviously not the same as a consistent blue-line producer such as Weber or Doughty - he is middle-tier, albeit high middle tier, for a reason.

If I were a GM, I would have to seriously evaluate my team's need for an offensive defenceman and whether my coach's system would work for a player like Johnson.

I personally like the play of Jack Johnson, but yeah, I can only see things go 50/50 for him - waffling between great production and total scapegoat.

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02-17-2012, 11:37 AM
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How does JVR and Bourdon/Gustaffson/pick sound?
I'll leave that up to the King's fans. I was just speaking to possible value.

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02-17-2012, 11:39 AM
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Not quite saying that Jack Johnson is the kind of player I'm describing, but as the old saying goes, "Just because they are a <insert higher line position> on your team doesn't mean he is the same on other teams."

The thing is, I think that Johnson really walks the line. I can see him being an absolute stud offensively and decent defensively. I can also see him falling off the face of the Earth if he's on the wrong team, with the wrong system. He's obviously not the same as a consistent blue-line producer such as Weber or Doughty - he is middle-tier, albeit high middle tier, for a reason.

If I were a GM, I would have to seriously evaluate my team's need for an offensive defenceman and whether my coach's system would work for a player like Johnson.

I personally like the play of Jack Johnson, but yeah, I can only see things go 50/50 for him - waffling between great production and total scapegoat.
so the second best defensive player on a top 4 defensive team would be garbage on another team, gotcha.

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I'll leave that up to the King's fans. I was just speaking to possible value.
As a Kings fan, I'd rather hang on to JJ in hopes of a bigger return.

I wouldn't be opposed to Richardson + AMart for JVR though

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As an Oilers fan, I can only dream.

Hemsky + picks?

Hemsky + Whitney for the stretch drive?

For what he is in today's NHL I don't think his contract's that bad.

If Nash or Parise don't come your way maybe we'd be a nice plan C. I don't think you want Jeff Carter on your team. Even if his buddy's there. Wouldn't want him here.
Are you bidding on Jaret Stoll or Westgarth ?????

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I don't watch many kings games..

But Jack Johnson's +- is mind bogglingly bad. There is no way to spin it.

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02-17-2012, 11:47 AM
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so the second best defensive player on a top 4 defensive team would be garbage on another team, gotcha.
I dunno. I thought that was a pretty fair analysis. The league is full of guys who can flourish in the right system and with the right teammates, but absolutely fall apart when those factors are removed. Doesn't make the guy rubbish.

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Chris Stewart and Ian Cole?

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I don't watch many kings games..

But Jack Johnson's +- is mind bogglingly bad. There is no way to spin it.
Given the Kings are LAST in goals that just might have something to do with it. Johnson is like minus 10 which isn't too bad all things considered

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Given the Kings are LAST in goals that just might have something to do with it. Johnson is like minus 10 which isn't too bad all things considered
Every season he is waaaay worse than the rest of the team

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02-17-2012, 12:29 PM
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so the second best defensive player on a top 4 defensive team would be garbage on another team, gotcha.
Jack Johnson is not the second best defensive player on the Kings. He "might" be the 2nd best defenseman on the Kings, but that is only because of his offensive / power play abilities. His defensive abilities are horrible.

He is total liability on the defensive end and is one of the worst defensemen (from a "defensive" perspective) in the entire league and any advanced metric you want will show you this. Heck, even the simple +/- statistic demonstrates this.

I do not know what team in their right mind would give up a top 3 forward for a package built around a glorified forward masked as a defenseman. And heck, even Jack Johnson's offensive abilities aren't that amazing. He is a powerplay juggernaut, nothing more. His points per sixty of even strength ice time are horrendous.

Jack Johnson's rank among Kings' defensemen throughout his career in:
Even-strength points per sixty / Relative Corsi / plus-minus


07-08: LAST / LAST / LAST
08-09: LAST / LAST / LAST
09-10: 3rd / 5th / LAST
10-11: LAST / LAST / LAST
11-12: 4th / LAST / LAST

(for fair comparison, I only considered Jack Johnson versus the other 5 Kings defensemen that had the most games played each year)

I cannot wait to hear Kings fans attempt to spin this. It should be fun.

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02-17-2012, 12:37 PM
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I don't watch many kings games..

But Jack Johnson's +- is mind bogglingly bad. There is no way to spin it.
Usually, the +/- is a subjective rating. In Johnson's case, it is valid. It is difficult to get this bad of a rating season in and season out...and if you watched him in his zone, you would understand how it happens.

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02-17-2012, 12:38 PM
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Rovers aren't that popular. If Kings want to package him for a top line player then they will have to add another significant piece or two.

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Briere for JJ+ 1st ?

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02-17-2012, 12:41 PM
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Jack Johnson is not the second best defensive player on the Kings. He "might" be the 2nd best defenseman on the Kings, but that is only because of his offensive / power play abilities. His defensive abilities are horrible.

He is total liability on the defensive end and is one of the worst defensemen (from a "defensive" perspective) in the entire league and any advanced metric you want will show you this. Heck, even the simple +/- statistic demonstrates this.

I do not know what team in their right mind would give up a top 3 forward for a package built around a glorified forward masked as a defenseman. And heck, even Jack Johnson's offensive abilities aren't that amazing. He is a powerplay juggernaut, nothing more. His points per sixty of even strength ice time are horrendous.

Jack Johnson's rank among Kings' defensemen throughout his career in:
Even-strength points per sixty / Relative Corsi / plus-minus


07-08: LAST / LAST / LAST
08-09: LAST / LAST / LAST
09-10: 3rd / 5th / LAST
10-11: LAST / LAST / LAST
11-12: 4th / LAST / LAST

(for fair comparison, I only considered Jack Johnson versus the other 5 Kings defensemen that had the most games played each year)

I cannot wait to hear Kings fans attempt to spin this. It should be fun.
Kings fan here. No spin. It is all true, Jack's d is not good. He does play big mins against top lines BUT still, his +/- is outrages.

The ONE thing that we can say about JJ is that he is works incredibly hard, all season. He will never come to camp out of shape. He also gave the Kings a very easy time in resigning.

So, for us Kings fans, that means a lot. For the league I really hope they do not know the truth!

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02-17-2012, 12:46 PM
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Rovers aren't that popular. If Kings want to package him for a top line player then they will have to add another significant piece or two.
Johnson has made big strides this year. Those that have watched him develop over the years can see this.

Lomardi was right in one regard he was not taught how to play defense in college. Its taken a few years to re-program the guy.

Perhaps the Kings would have been better suited to turn JJ into a forward.

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