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02-17-2012, 10:11 AM
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I guess it depends of what you mean by a rebuild. Of course, it will not be a full rebuild for sure.
Well now I'm curious what management calls a 'rebuild'. This team has some great pieces for the future, but could easily withstand to make 3-4 moves going forward. In my mind, that is a rebuild..

If sneaking into 8th every year is the goal of the CH, they certainly don't need a rebuild, just stay the course, they have that philosophy perfected.

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All this tells me is what I already knew... We only care about 8th place. There is no real desire to build cup caliber teams here. It's going to be constant re-tweaking of a mediocre team just as we've always done. The result will be decent but not great teams. Some years will be better than others but we aren't really committed to building towards a cup.
We have a #1 goalie, a top 2 defenseman, a forward with size on pace for close to 35 goals all under 25 and other good young players like Eller, Leblanc, Emelin etc.. what are we supposed to do trade all those guys for draft picks and hope we draft players similar to them in the future?

The difference from now compared to the past is our 'core' guys are YOUNG, we aren't building around guys who are in their late 20's/early 30's like Cammalleri, Markov etc.

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02-17-2012, 10:14 AM
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With how the season has gone and the carousel of wingers Plekanec has had, it's unfair to classify him as a #1 or #2 or #3 center.

Had he played all year between Cole and MaxPac, he'd probably be close to a point a game and people would say he's got #1 center numbers and he's great defensively.

Would he play with Bourque and AK, that would be a pretty good second line and hence, he'd have decent numbers and people would say he's a very good #2 center and he's great defensively.

But he was playing with Darche and Moen and then Darche and Bourque. He's been very good but it's hard to classify him as a #1 type center with the role and linemates he is given.
I agree with your premiss. Kostitsyn already has great chemistry with Plekanec, ever since their trio with Kovalev, and that was a real legit first line. Now we have this other model of a first line that works with 2 physical wingers and a savvy center to distribute the puck in DD.

Why don't we just duplicate that line? Since obviously Plek can only scavenge points here and there so far with the personnel he's been paired with. Let's put Kostitsyn back on his wing and Bourque who has fighting skills on top of that? (PF's who can score/hit not unlike DD's wingers)

I think that would give us two good 1a 1b lines that can wreck any team, no size complex.

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If this is the case, then I think we have:

1) Franchise goalie = Carey Price
2) Franchise defenseman = PK Subban and Andrei Markov
3) Power forward = Max Pacioretty and Erik Cole
4) Shutdown player = Josh Gorges and Lars Eller
5) Specialist = Lars Eller and David Desharnais
6) First line centre = ?????
7) Second line centre = Tomas Plekanec + Louis Leblanc

So...

Pacioretty - ????? - Cole
????? - Plekanec/Leblanc - ?????
????? - Desharnais - ?????
????? - Eller - ?????

Markov/Subban - Gorges
????? - ?????
????? - ?????

Price
?????

In the system we have Beaulieu, Tinordi, Nash, Emelin, Leblanc, Kristo, Avstin, Gallagher, White etc.

So, like I had said before we need to draft either Grigorenko or Galchenyuk!

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02-17-2012, 10:20 AM
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There is no need for re-build per se.

Fine tuning is the word.

Hopefully they can keep Moen and even AK.

Gomez MUST go.

Gill can be dealt. But he must be replaced in the off season by a big strong (mean) d-man.



I can't imagine another season like this one.

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02-17-2012, 10:29 AM
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A few comments...

1) Desharnais is not a face-offs specialist but, in a matter of 2-3 months, he went to "bad in the face-offs circle" to "above average". The guy is a student of the game and I fully expect him to become a very good faceoff guy within 1-2 year(s).

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I don't give a damn what Tony Marinaro thinks. He's proven time and time again that he has no idea what it means to make decisions in the NHL.

Gauthier has made REASONABLE moves every, single, time. Not a single trade, signing, draft pick or back-room move had been from out-of-left-field or totally arbitrary.

Of course we're not re-building! We have our franchise players and we've been doing pretty damn fine every year until this one.
Is it true that Marinaro mentioned a few days ago that the Canadiens should trade Cole because his value is high?!


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Of course.

(…)

Sell at deadline:

Moen

(…)

Try to sell at deadline:
Darche
Bourque

(…)
Those three players are not afraid to go in the heavy circulation and I hope they intend to offer new contracts to Moen (3 years; 4,5M$) and Darche (1 year 0,9M$). Bourque's work ethic is not on par with Darche and Moen but I like his game: speed, size, some grits and relatively soft hands... what's not to like?

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Pacioretty
Desharnais
Subban
Emelin
Gorges
Price
Eller

I build around this.
If Leblanc keeps playing smartly and energetically during the remaining games, I would add his name to your list. Otherwise I agree with you. White is also a perfect role/energy player imo.

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Perfect. If we do a good job of re-tooling at the deadline and during free agency we'll be back in the playoffs next year.
Imo, healthy, this team is only one tough and experienced D away - the type that can eat a lot of even strength minutes - from being a top tier team. Right now only Gorges fits this (experienced + reliable on ES) description... and frankly it is mind boggling.

6) I think Gionta would look great alongside Plekanec and I also think that Plekanec, Desharnais and Eller is a solid trio of centers... especially with guys like Cole, Pacioretty, Kostitsyn, Bourque, White and Moen around.

7) If they decide to ship Kostitsyn out (personally I think he is a keeper) or add a top 9 forward this coming summer, I hope they intend to factor in his SO success rate. Price badly needs to step his SO performances up (he sucks in SO: blocker side, 2 feet above ice level = success!) but our shooters also suck. It may seem trivial but we are chatting about 10 freakin points here!


PS "...in a matter of 2-3 months...": is it a legit/correctly built expression?

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02-17-2012, 10:30 AM
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I'm all for the tanking this season, but you are reading way too much into that statement to come up with that. Soap opera worthy.
I'm not reading anything into the statement. It only confirms what I've seen based on our actions. This is the way we've run our team for a long time now. All this tells me is that nothing is going to change. It also won't surprise me at all if PG is kept on for next season.

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02-17-2012, 10:31 AM
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Didn't necessarily say Desharnais is even gone - maybe.

I know, I know but I think players evolve into gaining respect. Desharnais has been good but look where the Habs are. I can't see the Habs making a playoff run with Desharnais and Plek as the top 2 centers and I'd rather Plek over Desharnais despite the year each has had. Right now Plek gets a lot of respect from the opposition while Desharnais is somewhat sheltered.
Habs are fine with Plekanec-Desharnais-Eller at center. They are trying to build the offense on 3 good lines, capable of scoring and play defensively.

Plus, we tend to forget that this season was a learning season for both Desharnais and Eller, and they still did very well. Next season, they'll be better.

You don't need a ppg center to succeed in the NHL. Last year, if I remember correctly, Boston did quite a good job with Bergeron (57 pts), Kreijci (62 pts) and Kelly (28 pts).

Edit : just checked. Desharnais has 21 points in his last 21 games. Looks like a legit 1st line center production to me.


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02-17-2012, 10:35 AM
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looks like a stanley cup winning team to me.

if this really was the core, and the core is already in place then why the poor record this year?

other than Price, there are no other franchise or core players of that 4.
lol looks like another one who know nothing about hockey.

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02-17-2012, 10:38 AM
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This is really a non story and anyone making a big deal about it is just looking for something to complain about.

I'm guessing re-build means spending years at the bottom of the league like Edmonton.

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"Is it true that Marinaro mentioned a few days ago that the Canadiens should trade Cole because his value is high?!"

Yes, he sweated like a pig and could hardly fit in the camera frame and he did say that the Hab's should trade Cole because, although he's playing fine now, the Habs will regret his four year contract.

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I agree with your premiss. Kostitsyn already has great chemistry with Plekanec, ever since their trio with Kovalev, and that was a real legit first line. Now we have this other model of a first line that works with 2 physical wingers and a savvy center to distribute the puck in DD.

Why don't we just duplicate that line? Since obviously Plek can only scavenge points here and there so far with the personnel he's been paired with. Let's put Kostitsyn back on his wing and Bourque who has fighting skills on top of that? (PF's who can score/hit not unlike DD's wingers)

I think that would give us two good 1a 1b lines that can wreck any team, no size complex.
At worst, it would be a decent #2 line with better offensive potential. The could also try Eller with Bourque and AK it they absolutely need to keep Plek with Darche.

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02-17-2012, 10:41 AM
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We have a #1 goalie, a top 2 defenseman, a forward with size on pace for close to 35 goals all under 25 and other good young players like Eller, Leblanc, Emelin etc.. what are we supposed to do trade all those guys for draft picks and hope we draft players similar to them in the future?.
The team is basically betting that everything will go right. That's not a smart approach to take. That's what we did with Markov and look where it led us.

Nobody is more excited about Price, Pacman or PK than me. All I'm saying is that we should be trying to add more of those kinds of players that's all. Our D right now is a mess. We've got some good prospects coming up and PK and Pac are still developing. We aren't going to win anything next year either. That's why it makes sense to rebuild right now. We don't have to trade every single vet or rip the team to it's foundations but yeah, we should be making rebuilding moves.
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The difference from now compared to the past is our 'core' guys are YOUNG, we aren't building around guys who are in their late 20's/early 30's like Cammalleri, Markov etc.
It was the same thing a few years ago. Komi, Pleks, Higgins, S Kosti, Lats, Lapierre, Perezhogin... We've seen this movie before dude.

If we want to win a cup we'll probably need at least one superstar. Maybe somebody in that trio that we have now steps up and becomes one but even then, that's just the minimum that we'll need. We've basically got one real top 4 blueliner right now with Subban and that's it. Our forwards are decent but not great.

I hope that things work out. I hope that everything goes right but a LOT has to go right for us to even think about becoming contenders and that's why I don't agree with how we're running this team. I haven't agreed with management for a long time now and I've been consistently right. We ice decent teams that are capable of making the playoffs but no real chance at a cup.

I hope that changes and I really don't care if we rebuild our way to a cup, buy our way to one or fluke into one with a crazy upset. I just want to win a cup. And when I look at how our club is being run, I don't see us winning one any time soon. It's just a series of half hearted aborted rebuilds supplemented by dumb FA signings. Good enough for 8th and not much else.

The one thing I will agree with you on though is that these three prospects are the best we've seen in a long time. Maybe it will be good enough. I guess we'll just have to hope that it is because that's what management is going bank on for us to win. Markov actually being healthy would go a long way too.

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"Is it true that Marinaro mentioned a few days ago that the Canadiens should trade Cole because his value is high?!"

Yes, he sweated like a pig and could hardly fit in the camera frame and he did say that the Hab's should trade Cole because, although he's playing fine now, the Habs will regret his four year contract.
That guy loves to stir **** !

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"Is it true that Marinaro mentioned a few days ago that the Canadiens should trade Cole because his value is high?!"

Yes, he sweated like a pig and could hardly fit in the camera frame and he did say that the Hab's should trade Cole because, although he's playing fine now, the Habs will regret his four year contract.
I think he's right. Great time to trade him.

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"Is it true that Marinaro mentioned a few days ago that the Canadiens should trade Cole because his value is high?!"

Yes, he sweated like a pig and could hardly fit in the camera frame and he did say that the Hab's should trade Cole because, although he's playing fine now, the Habs will regret his four year contract.
My GAWD! Cole is the perfect model for all our young guys (especially Pacioretty)... he is a Darche with talent!

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I think he's right. Great time to trade him.
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We don't have to trade every single vet or rip the team to it's foundations but yeah, we should be making rebuilding moves.
Yes, but what are these 'rebuilding moves'. Are we taking another trip to the fantasy land where other teams currently kicking around the bottom of the standings donate their first round picks to us in return for the players that we don't want anymore?

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I think he's right. Great time to trade him.
Did you forget ?

Finally, finally, finally the Habs have an exciting crash and bang power forward who makes it more exciting to watch them and who is a model for the younger guys to follow - and you want to trade him? He's cheap compared to what he brings to the table.

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My GAWD!
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Yes, but what are these 'rebuilding moves'. Are we taking another trip to the fantasy land where other teams currently kicking around the bottom of the standings donate their first round picks to us in return for the players that we don't want anymore?
You have to trade quality to get quality. We don't have to deal away every single vet and tank for years man but dealing away a Pleks or a Cole or some other vet actually does make sense if we're getting building blocks back.

I know that's a hard concept to get your head around but it makes sense to do this when you aren't in a position to win. We have made one true rebuilding move in recent memory and that was Rivet for Gorges and a 1st (who turned into Paccioretti.) We need to try to get more picks for Timmins to work with. The higher the better obviously but let's stop making sideways moves and short gap type trades.
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Did you forget ?

Finally, finally, finally the Habs have an exciting crash and bang power forward who makes it more exciting to watch them and who is a model for the younger guys to follow - and you want to trade him? He's cheap compared to what he brings to the table.
I don't see him helping us to win a cup and that's all I care about. If we were contenders then there's no way I'd want to move him but we're not. He's an older player and if we could get a great return then yes absolutely we should trade him.

Don't worry... we won't.

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I think he's right. Great time to trade him.
You're ridiculous. A contributing godsend of a player in his first year. Adored by the fans and his teammates AND his coaches. Fitness freak who goes over his game tapes every game. Reasonable contract.

TRADE HIM SO WE CULD MAYBE GET A SUPERSTAR!!1


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"Is it true that Marinaro mentioned a few days ago that the Canadiens should trade Cole because his value is high?!"

Yes, he sweated like a pig and could hardly fit in the camera frame and he did say that the Hab's should trade Cole because, although he's playing fine now, the Habs will regret his four year contract.
That's not what he said, he said if someone came calling and the return would be amazing then he would consider moving him. He didn't say to trade him just because he was having a career year and we should get a 1st rounder back. He said he would listen and I agree with him on that aspect of managing, no matter the player you should always be listening, no such thing as untouchables....

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With how the season has gone and the carousel of wingers Plekanec has had, it's unfair to classify him as a #1 or #2 or #3 center.

Had he played all year between Cole and MaxPac, he'd probably be close to a point a game and people would say he's got #1 center numbers and he's great defensively.

Would he play with Bourque and AK, that would be a pretty good second line and hence, he'd have decent numbers and people would say he's a very good #2 center and he's great defensively.

But he was playing with Darche and Moen and then Darche and Bourque. He's been very good but it's hard to classify him as a #1 type center with the role and linemates he is given.
Actually the problem might be the obscession with "numbering" players and line instead of seeing what roles each players are more suited to fill.

Considering how much player's point production can change due to things that aren't theirs to control, a player that produces like a number 1 can end up producing like a number 2 the next season despite playing the same way he did the previous year.

Players are more than just point totals, especially a player like Plekanec. Plekanec is known as being great defensively but alot of people don't realise how much he does. Being great defensively isn't just about being good on the PK, above 50% on faceoffs and having a great +- (wich Plekanec doesn't this year but he is kind of getting screwed by goaltending, 895 SV% 5-5 while he is on the ice according to behinf the net). It's about the kind of minutes he plays. Not only can he handle hard minutes himself, the very fact that he is the one playing those minutes means that the players behind him will get easier minutes, thus helping them and the team.

Plekanec is what he is. That isn't a number 1 when scoring 70pts, a number 2 when scoring 55 and a number 3 because the coach said so. He is a good tough minutes center that thrives in a two way role and the perfect guy to take the load off our 2 young centers.

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Habs are fine with Plekanec-Desharnais-Eller at center. They are trying to build the offense on 3 good lines, capable of scoring and play defensively.

Plus, we tend to forget that this season was a learning season for both Desharnais and Eller, and they still did very well. Next season, they'll be better.

You don't need a ppg center to succeed in the NHL. Last year, if I remember correctly, Boston did quite a good job with Bergeron (57 pts), Kreijci (62 pts) and Kelly (28 pts).

Edit : just checked. Desharnais has 21 points in his 21 last games. Looks like a legit 1st line center production to me.
Agreed. And I'd say for next year what could help almost as much as an elite center while costing less would be a guy to do what Malhotra does on the Canucks. Plekanec could take the Kesler role, DD the Sedin one and Eller the Hodgson one.

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We are not close to competing. We're three or four major peices away, and none of the pieces are in the system, at least not at a close-to-NHL level. I know a guy on the board and PG went into this season singing the tune that the team was competitive, and by adding Cole he had pretty much set the team up as it needed to be. Let's say his confidence does not give me confidence one iota.

PG has to go. Molson is taking a huge gamble if he goes into next year with the same management team. If they're competitive, the fans will tolerate it, but if they struggle even close to how they did this season, the fans will get uglier and uglier, and will blame Molson as much as Gauthier. Maybe he won't mind that, but it won't help business. We lose AND we get humiliated physically by Boston 6 times a year. What's not to like? This team is just a piece or two away... yeah right.

To be clear, I think we can turn around and be competitive quickly, we don't need to do an Edmonton-style bottom out. But we can't do it without admitting the serious mistakes made and changing course. PG's line is that everything is, was and always will be just peachy. I'm ****ing sick of his self-satisfaction as much as anything else.

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You're ridiculous. A contributing godsend of a player in his first year. Adored by the fans and his teammates AND his coaches. Fitness freak who goes over his game tapes every game. Reasonable contract.

TRADE HIM SO WE CULD MAYBE GET A SUPERSTAR!!1

I heard the same argument back when I said we should trade Koivu...
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We are not close to competing. We're three or four major peices away, and none of the pieces are in the system, at least not at a close-to-NHL level. I know a guy on the board and PG went into this season singing the tune that the team was competitive, and by adding Cole he had pretty much set the team up as it needed to be. Let's say his confidence does not give me confidence one iota.

PG has to go. Molson is taking a huge gamble if he goes into next year with the same management team. If they're competitive, the fans will tolerate it, but if they struggle even close to how they did this season, the fans will get uglier and uglier, and will blame Molson as much as Gauthier. Maybe he won't mind that, but it won't help business. We lose AND we get humiliated physically by Boston 6 times a year. What's not to like? This team is just a piece or two away... yeah right.

To be clear, I think we can turn around and be competitive quickly, we don't need to do an Edmonton-style bottom out. But we can't do it without admitting the serious mistakes made and changing course. PG's line is that everything is, was and always will be just peachy. I'm ****ing sick of his self-satisfaction as much as anything else.
We have some of the pieces but not all the pieces to contend. And I believe we could accelerate the process by dealing some vets for prospects and picks that could become those missing pieces. Nothing wrong with getting younger and with the players we have now we probably won't tank ala Edmonton anyway so I agree with most of your post.

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All this tells me is what I already knew... We only care about 8th place. There is no real desire to build cup caliber teams here. It's going to be constant re-tweaking of a mediocre team just as we've always done. The result will be decent but not great teams. Some years will be better than others but we aren't really committed to building towards a cup.
Once again you are way out in left field.

What would a "smart" front office do? Trade price Subban Pacioretty Emelin Gorges Plekanec DD Diaz weber?

You rebuild when your core is 30+ and the team sucks(see Calgary) or when you have had no success with at all with it.

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