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Trade Rumors and Proposals: Part XXIII

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02-17-2012, 10:47 AM
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No posting rumors without sources, folks.

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02-17-2012, 10:52 AM
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has any been deleted?

can they just say it is "speculation" and post it here?

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Proposal

To Col: Da Costa, Auld, Gryba, and a 3rd rd pick in 2012

To Ott: Ryan Wilson, J.S. Giguere

2012/2013 D....

Cowen - Karlsson
Wilson - Gonchar
Phillips - Borocop/Lee

Anderson/Giguere

Giggy is signed through next year so hopfully Lehner is ready to at least be the backup in 2013/2014. I don't think he's ready right now and I can't take another minute of Alex Auld. Hell, I'd throw the rights to Filatov into this deal if it would help because I love Ryan Wilson's game and he's still young.

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No posting rumors without sources, folks.
So people can quote Garrioch, ecklund etc who use random "league executives" but somebody here cant??

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02-17-2012, 11:01 AM
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So people can quote Garrioch, ecklund etc who use random "league executives" but somebody here cant??
I apologize. I meant to type, "No posting rumors without links".

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I would like to ask you if you know of any other player that has lead a team as poorly managed and run as Columbus to the SCF. Nash hasn't done anything in many peoples eyes because he can't DO everything. Mason had one good year, their D is sub par, and their picks have struggled. I don't think any other player could have done more.
Excuses.

1) Does he make his teammates better? If he’s a franchise player he should make his teammates better regardless of their ability level. See Jason Spezza playing with Greening and Butler.
2) Does he produce at an elite level worthy of the apparent asking price? Kovalchuk did a much better job carrying Atlanta when he was all alone out there, with just as ****** a management and supporting cast. Same with Jokinen in Florida. He is not a franchise player and that seems to be what they are pricing him as.

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So apprently Chris Stewart is on the 4th line.

Get on that **** Murray.
Agreed, get on it Murray. This would be a fantastic move. The guy has legitimate skill, could be a consistent 30 goal guy at 230lbs. Can play a physical brand of hockey when motivated and will defend his teammates. We could really use this type of beast on Spezza or Turris’s wing in the North East division.

Everyone seems to be on board with moving Carkner and Konopka, I’m still on the fence, I’d rather keep Carkner as 7th D. I don’t want to see this team get bullied by teams like the Bruins. The best way to be a tough team is to have toughness throughout the lineup as opposed to 4th line scrubs who get benched in the playoffs. Smith and Neil are a good start, adding Stewart would make a pretty tough forward lineup.

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So St. Louis will trade him while his value is at its lowest?
His value is at it’s lowest but if they aren’t willing to play him what does keeping him give them?


Re. The Penner “rumor”, posted earlier. Not a huge fan of Penner, but damn the suggested/speculated price sure was right.

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02-17-2012, 11:03 AM
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No posting rumors without sources, folks.
Drat, I didn't commit the "western scouts" rumours to memory.

Lemme see, Gagne, Carter, some d-man from St. Louis, somethin else I forgot already... And an anonymous Ottawa e-source saying Penner for Lee.

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Fill the missing part of these proposals

We receive: Sam Gagne - EDM, we give?

We receive: Chris Stewart - STL, we give?


We give Kuba, Philly gives?
We give Kuba, VAN gives?
We give Carkner, Vancouver gives?

What about Penner for Lee? We get a big top 6 forward they get cap space fro Nash and a replacement for JJ.

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FYI, any "rumors" that are re-posted without links will be infracted.

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02-17-2012, 11:21 AM
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These two trades only if LA can't get Nash, add pieces to either side to make it even

Sens: Kuba - Philly: JVR

And

Sens: Michalek - LA: Jack Johnson

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02-17-2012, 11:27 AM
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Sam Gagne- probably Weircioch and Carkner
Christ Stewart- probably Greening plus 1st is what they are asking.
Kuba to philly- I will ask for a 1st and Voracek. Muhahahaha
Kuba to Van- Raymond and a 1st. Muahahaha
Carkner to Van- 3rd rounder

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02-17-2012, 11:35 AM
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Sam Gagne- probably Weircioch and Carkner
Christ Stewart- probably Greening plus 1st is what they are asking.
Kuba to philly- I will ask for a 1st and Voracek. Muhahahaha
Kuba to Van- Raymond and a 1st. Muahahaha
Carkner to Van- 3rd rounder
Stewart
Age: 24, Height: 6-2 Weight: 232lbs
11/12 stats: 11-11, 22 pts
Cap hit: 2,875k

Greening
Age: 25, Height: 6-3 Weight: 212lbs
11/12 stats: 12-15, 27 pts
Cap hit: 800k


I would not add a first

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02-17-2012, 11:39 AM
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FYI, any "rumors" that are re-posted without links will be infracted.
If we've heard something from an anonymous "source" but say its just a rumor unlikely to turn into anything, is that okay? Or no matter how its presented its needs a link as support

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Sam Gagne- probably Weircioch and Carkner
Christ Stewart- probably Greening plus 1st is what they are asking.
Kuba to philly- I will ask for a 1st and Voracek. Muhahahaha
Kuba to Van- Raymond and a 1st. Muahahaha
Carkner to Van- 3rd rounder
Gagner is going to cost a lot more than Wiercoch and Carkner. Tambellini publicly stated that he has no plans to deal Gagner, which basically means he's going to need to be blown away in order to deal the 22-year old forward. Gagner seems to be finally coming around, so no way is he dealt for a decent defensive prospect and a #7 defenceman who is also an UFA after the season.

To deal Stewart, St. Louis would need a top-2, young defenceman in return. That's what they're asking for; they're not asking for a 3rd-line winger and a draft pick. The Blues are in the thick of the playoff race and are close to being serious contenders, but they need a top-pairing defenceman badly. That's why Stewart's name has been dangled in trade rumours.

Kuba doesn't have that value. He's having a good season, but he's also an UFA and he's 35 years old. If Grossman, who is younger and better than Kuba, fetched a 2nd- and a 3rd-round pick, then Kuba's value is probably somewhere along the line of a 2nd-round pick and either a middling prospect or late-round draft pick (e.g., 5th-round).

Carkner's value is probably that of a late-round selection.

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FYI, any "rumors" that are re-posted without links will be infracted.
So you mean I shouldn't post the Malkin for Lee rumor I heard from a friend of a friend of a friend of mine? Darn...

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Sam Gagne- probably Weircioch and Carkner
Christ Stewart- probably Greening plus 1st is what they are asking.
Kuba to philly- I will ask for a 1st and Voracek. Muhahahaha
Kuba to Van- Raymond and a 1st. Muahahaha
Carkner to Van- 3rd rounder
These are absolutely ridiculous. There's no way we're getting a 1st and a top 6 forward for an average defensman having a good year. I'd say we'd be lucky to just a 1st for Kuba. I think it would be in better interest to get prospects and picks. Something like:

Ottawa: Kuba

Philly: 4th + Nick Cousins

OR

Ottawa: Kuba

Vancouver: 1st/ Jordan Schroeder

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Stewart
Age: 24, Height: 6-2 Weight: 232lbs
11/12 stats: 11-11, 22 pts
Cap hit: 2,875k

Greening
Age: 25, Height: 6-3 Weight: 212lbs
11/12 stats: 12-15, 27 pts
Cap hit: 800k


I would not add a first
It's asinine to compare Stewart with Greening. Stewart is having a bad season, but he's a young, top-6 power forward. People quickly forget that he had a 28-goal, 64-point season as a 22-year old, and last year he posted 28-25-53 in only 62 games. Greening doesn't have that kind of potential.

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These are absolutely ridiculous. There's no way we're getting a 1st and a top 6 forward for an average defensman having a good year. I'd say we'd be lucky to just a 1st for Kuba. I think it would be in better interest to get prospects and picks. Something like:

Ottawa: Kuba

Philly: 4th + Nick Cousins

OR

Ottawa: Kuba

Vancouver: 1st/ Jordan Schroeder
If you were the Canucks' GM, would you make that deal?

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People are really underestimating the value of a 30 point dman puckmover racking in 24 minutes a night to a contender in this small market.

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Also people must have missed the "muahahahahaha" parts in my post.

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Kuba i think will only be traded for another roster palyer

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These are absolutely ridiculous. There's no way we're getting a 1st and a top 6 forward for an average defensman having a good year. I'd say we'd be lucky to just a 1st for Kuba. I think it would be in better interest to get prospects and picks. Something like:

Ottawa: Kuba

Philly: 4th + Nick Cousins

OR

Ottawa: Kuba

Vancouver: 1st/ Jordan Schroeder
I don't want more picks, I want NHL ready players top 4 D or Top 6 potential only in return, we don't need anymore bottom 6/bottom pairing D.

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I don't want more picks, I want NHL ready players top 4 D or Top 6 potential only in return, we don't need anymore bottom 6/bottom pairing D.
Except that we don't have the assets for that...

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Also people must have missed the "muahahahahaha" parts in my post.
Only applies to your proposals involving Kuba, but it doesn't excuse the other proposals.

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I don't want more picks, I want NHL ready players top 4 D or Top 6 potential only in return, we don't need anymore bottom 6/bottom pairing D.
Then we are looking at tarding some of the prospects we've stockpiled. I'm okay if they are not part of the Plan, but I want to see what Prince, Pageau, Noesen and the like can become before shipping them off.

Guys like Cannone, OBrien, Grant, DaCosta, Petyersson we have a handle on and Murray knows what fits and what he will deal.

I really think we are right here in a year or two with patience. We need another good D and maybe another centre. The rest is good

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