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02-17-2012, 09:07 PM
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If we include BOB in a trade for kubina we better be getting more back in return... Anway I highly doubt that is even being considered.

Bob is undervalued,he is still young and without even looking them up I bet he has similar to if not better numbers than supposed elite young tenders like schneider and bernier.
I agree with you about BOB......He wins much more than he loses and i think his future is a bright one for a few reasons....One reason is that he seems to have a great work ethic, and that combined with his physical skills should take him to the next level as he gets more games under his belt....Can't help but hope the best for the young lad.

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02-17-2012, 09:16 PM
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Kubina's cap hit is ridiculous for what he brings. He's slow and doesn't hit as much as people think, makes a lot of mistakes in his own zone, which we have enough of. He is strong though, has a RH shot, and a bomb from the point. But we could give up a little more and get Brewer (if he's available) for the same cap hit.

I'm almost completely against getting Kubina.

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02-17-2012, 09:17 PM
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He's slow and doesn't hit as much as people think, makes a lot of mistakes in his own zone, which we have enough of.
Kinda sounds like that other guy we just acquired.

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02-17-2012, 09:26 PM
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Kubina's cap hit is ridiculous for what he brings. He's slow and doesn't hit as much as people think, makes a lot of mistakes in his own zone, which we have enough of. He is strong though, has a RH shot, and a bomb from the point. But we could give up a little more and get Brewer (if he's available) for the same cap hit.

I'm almost completely against getting Kubina.
Honestly, he would probably bring has much as JJ but we wouldnt have to give up as much.

I think if they think they are going to win this season, they do need another defender.

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02-17-2012, 09:34 PM
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If Kubina chooses Philly Flyers can get him for real cheap. Just like Yzerman got Gagne for cheap.

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02-17-2012, 09:35 PM
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Talk is Bolts being offered a 2nd and 5th for Kubina by 2 teams. Waiting on his list.
I think we have an idea who's on that list...

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02-17-2012, 09:40 PM
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Honestly, he would probably bring has much as JJ but we wouldnt have to give up as much.

I think if they think they are going to win this season, they do need another defender.
I agree. I'd love to get out of the trade deadline without having to give up a major piece (JvR, Voracek, Schenn, Couturier, etc.) But I wonder what JJ or Schenn would cost us? Both are similar cap hit, but MUCH younger, brighter futures, and locked up for longer.

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02-17-2012, 09:45 PM
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2 - Kubina is nice, Johnson is nicer IMO.


This would be too funny if we traded JVR for Johnson.

The number of threads dedicated to how bad Johnson is defensively would be astronomical.

Johnson makes Carle look like a Norris candidate.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Jack Johnson:

-Worst +/- on his team ALL 5 YEARS IN THE LEAGUE.

-Worst Corsi on his team 4 of his 5 years in the league (in 09-10 he was 2nd to last among the Kings starting defensemen... a much better result )

-Last among Kings' starting defensemen in even strength points per sixty 3 of his 5 years in the NHL (he was 3rd in 09-10 and is 4th this year)

This is the player that we want to trade JVR for. He is the missing piece for our championship run.

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02-17-2012, 09:47 PM
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This would be too funny if we traded JVR for Johnson.

The number of threads dedicated to how bad Johnson is defensively would be astronomical.

Johnson makes Carle look like a Norris candidate.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is Jack Johnson:

-Worst +/- on his team ALL 5 YEARS IN THE LEAGUE.

-Worst Corsi on his team 4 of his 5 years in the league (in 09-10 he was 2nd to last among the Kings starting defensemen... a much better result )

-Last among Kings' starting defensemen in even strength points per sixty 3 of his 5 years in the NHL (he was 3rd in 09-10 and is 4th this year)

This is the player that we want to trade JVR for. He is the missing piece for our championship run.
I would trade JvR for a bag of used pucks. Just throwing that out there.

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02-17-2012, 09:54 PM
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I think we have an idea who's on that list...

I wonder if the Flyers are on his list?


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02-17-2012, 10:02 PM
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I would trade JvR for a bag of used pucks. Just throwing that out there.
What?

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02-17-2012, 10:11 PM
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I would trade JvR for a bag of used pucks. Just throwing that out there.
Why you heff to hate JVR? A bag of used pucks though, not even gonna try getting new pucks?

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02-17-2012, 10:18 PM
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I think Greg Zanon / Mark Stuart / Bryan Allen would be a good add to this club.

Unsure what the value would be, but I like the style of play....


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02-17-2012, 10:26 PM
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Kubina's cap hit is ridiculous for what he brings. He's slow and doesn't hit as much as people think, makes a lot of mistakes in his own zone, which we have enough of. He is strong though, has a RH shot, and a bomb from the point. But we could give up a little more and get Brewer (if he's available) for the same cap hit.

I'm almost completely against getting Kubina.
See, cap hit almost doesn't matter at this point. It's really just a question of "does he mathematically fit?" Kubina is an impending UFA, and if we were to get him, it more more than likely be the last move before the deadline, so there's no need to worry about cap space.

That said, we only have just under 2.6 million in acquisition space left, and Kubina makes 3.85. So something would have to make up the difference.

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02-17-2012, 10:31 PM
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See, cap hit almost doesn't matter at this point. It's really just a question of "does he mathematically fit?" Kubina is an impending UFA, and if we were to get him, it more more than likely be the last move before the deadline, so there's no need to worry about cap space.

That said, we only have just under 2.6 million in acquisition space left, and Kubina makes 3.85. So something would have to make up the difference.
I think his cap hit is smaller though at this point of the season... could be wrong.

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02-17-2012, 10:35 PM
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I think his cap hit is smaller though at this point of the season... could be wrong.
Cap only changes with waiver acquisitions I'm pretty sure. Trades force a team to take on the entire contract, and therefore the entire cap hit.

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See, cap hit almost doesn't matter at this point. It's really just a question of "does he mathematically fit?" Kubina is an impending UFA, and if we were to get him, it more more than likely be the last move before the deadline, so there's no need to worry about cap space.

That said, we only have just under 2.6 million in acquisition space left, and Kubina makes 3.85. So something would have to make up the difference.
His cap hit this time of year is lower than his total cap

Flyers will likely LTIR Sestito tomorrow, they already sent Gus down and if they acquire another D then Bourdon will likely be the odd man out and be sent down.

This is enough to fit Kubina

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02-17-2012, 11:04 PM
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I think his cap hit is smaller though at this point of the season... could be wrong.
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Cap only changes with waiver acquisitions I'm pretty sure. Trades force a team to take on the entire contract, and therefore the entire cap hit.
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His cap hit this time of year is lower than his total cap

Flyers will likely LTIR Sestito tomorrow, they already sent Gus down and if they acquire another D then Bourdon will likely be the odd man out and be sent down.

This is enough to fit Kubina
Yes the cap hits change day to day, because cap is calculated daily.

HOWEVER, capgeek does us all a favor and converts everything to yearly numbers. We have just under 2.6 million in space in yearly dollars. It may change slightly as we get closer, and therefore are responsible for less and less of (hypothetically) Kubina's contract; but we also are utilizing LTIR so that discounts it.

What I'm getting at is, the yearly numbers are accurate. We aren't actually going to be responsible for the entirety of Kubina's cap hit, but its easier to think of things at the yearly numbers. We cannot acquire Kubina as of this moment unless we shed more cap space (shouldn't be very hard to do at all).

Check out this page that explains it.
http://capgeek.com/trade_deadline_tracker.php

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I believe Kubina's cap hit would be equivalent to how many games remaining in the season and I say that based off of NHLnumbers.com because they have Grossman's cap hit at only $0.457. And like someone else has already mentioned MAB and Gus would get bumped down, Sestito's cap hit won't count on LTIR. There are ways to make it work.

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02-17-2012, 11:16 PM
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i hope they get someone who is good

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I believe Kubina's cap hit would be equivalent to how many games remaining in the season and I say that based off of NHLnumbers.com because they have Grossman's cap hit at only $0.457. And like someone else has already mentioned MAB and Gus would get bumped down, Sestito's cap hit won't count on LTIR. There are ways to make it work.
That is 100% correct.

But I'm saying, the cap space we have (2.6ish) is ALSO equivalent to how many days are remaining in the season (so it isn't actually 2.6).

It's far easier to look at the YEARLY number. Capgeek does any and all conversions. I strongly suggest reading that page. It's very interesting and extremely useful!

Edit: And I agree. It would be easy to make it work. I was just saying as of now, we can't fit his entire cap hit.


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I think it's important that people realize that if you are utilizing LTIR, you cannot take advantage of prorated contracts! (Which is what everyone is suggesting by saying we'd only be responsibly for part of his cap hit.) This is why our "Today" space and our "Deadline" space are identical on capgeek. We don't benefit from prorated deals.

This is why many of us criticize Homer for relying on LTIR. Flat out, if you are relying on LTIR, that is not good. Because you are never TRULY under the cap, and if you are never under the cap, you are not "banking" space, so you can't take on a prorated contract.

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I think Greg Zanon / Mark Stuart / Bryan Allen would be a good add to this club.

Unsure what the value would be, but I like the style of play....
Allen and Stuart would fit in well. Not so sure about Zanon though. I did like the deal with Dallas. But I am curious if Homer is done. Not a fan of JJ. The guy would be crushed here. For all his talent(which he only uses once in awhile) he makes far to many bonehead plays.

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I'd be happy with Stuart. How much would he cost us? He's locked up for a couple more years for a cheap hit too.

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Allen and Stuart would fit in well. Not so sure about Zanon though. I did like the deal with Dallas. But I am curious if Homer is done. Not a fan of JJ. The guy would be crushed here. For all his talent(which he only uses once in awhile) he makes far to many bonehead plays.
Zanon isn't worth anything to us and idk bout allen either. i do like stuart but for what were trading, do they REALLY make a difference? If were down to those mid range guys and were talking trade because of cap hit, i'd rather wait til the store's shelves are restocked with better goodies in the summer. we don't want to pull one of those oates trades again, not that maxim oullet became a superstar but still a waste of time anyway.

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