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02-17-2012, 11:56 PM
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Jack Johnson is without a doubt one of the most overrated players in the league. I would be thoroughly pissed if that deal goes down.

Why does Columbus need Jack Johnson? I still think people don't get it. They need a good solid two way defenseman. They have enough players already that can't play defence.
I honestly think Voynov would be the better player to go after. No chance of a "I'm too good for Columbus" attitude. Not saying hes that type of player but I'm weary of everyone now. As a prospect, I think Voynov would embrace the chance to play with fellow Russians. (Toots Nikitin soon Yakupov)

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I would offer Shenn, Kadri and a 1st (if Rynnas needs to be included then so be it)

if thats not enough then move on.

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I honestly think Voynov would be the better player to go after. No chance of a "I'm too good for Columbus" attitude. Not saying hes that type of player but I'm weary of everyone now. As a prospect, I think Voynov would embrace the chance to play with fellow Russians. (Toots Nikitin soon Yakupov)
Exactly. I want Voynov much more. I'm not worried about the Russian factor with him at all. He's paid his dues, definetly no Filatov. Definite upside there.

Your right considering Jack Johnson previous history with Carolina, it should be an instant non-starter for Columbus. I just don't like the player much, either.

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I'm not sure where the idea that Nash is not a two way player came from, but it really needs to stop. He was one of the top penalty killers in the league before the coach took him of the PK. Additionally, there has to be a middle ground between "Nash would put up 125pts on a good team" and "Nash isn't even a 70pt player".

Nash has been on a terrible team carrying it with no help and no other scoring threat for years. His numbers are going to be down, they will improve on a better team (see team canada) but he will not lead the league in points just because he finally has teammates.
125 points, you have to be kidding me. seriously??? i see him def being a point per game player maybe even sneaking in on a 100, MAYBE. but 125. put down the pipe

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Exactly. I want Voynov much more. I'm not worried about the Russian factor with him at all. He's paid his dues, definetly no Filatov.

Your right considering Jack Johnson previous history with Carolina, it should be an instant non-starter for Columbus. I just don't like the player much, either.
Yea we need a defenseman not another PP specialist. We already got one of those in Wiz. Not saying JJ is a bad dman bc he isnt hes a surefire top 4 on our team but he'd get exposed so badly playing top minutes. We need solid defense first for Columbus to take the next step. Thinking Bernier Voynov 1st and Loktionov. RUSSIAN REBUILD

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Please.

This argument is overused it ridiculous. IF you honestly think trading for Rick Nash will make him stay at his current pace you are on drugs. He scores all his goals on his own. Elite players cant score every goal on their own. If he goes to LA NYR or even TOR he's back to scoring 70 plus every year.
Please good players adapt to their teammates. Carter or Nash, both should of been able to adapt to the others game. Look at Kessel, people looked at him as a 1 dimensional goal scorer that would shoot shoot shoot but even he learned to pass the puck to others. He's scored 70 points over once, so he's not doing that every year. Heck Kessel had 64 points playing with the likes of Joey Crabb and a struggling 1st year Bozak. I would say RJ umberger, vermeete, voracek were better players than what Kessel played with last year and they produced close to the same amount. Look at John Tavares, he's making the plugs he plays with on LI better. I guess you avoided my other point because you have no counter argument for that. On the other end, if he gets traded to NYR or LA, I doubt he would put up the points there either.

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Yea we need a defenseman not another PP specialist. We already got one of those in Wiz. Not saying JJ is a bad dman bc he isnt hes a surefire top 4 on our team but he'd get exposed so badly playing top minutes. We need solid defense first for Columbus to take the next step. Thinking Bernier Voynov 1st and Loktionov. RUSSIAN REBUILD
Exactly. We already have the howitzer at the point, and are paying the ultimate price for it right now. Solid defense is what they need, and good goaltending. I would feel much better with Voynov back their than Johnson. In fact, the thought of Johnson and Wizniewski on the same team, scares me.

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Please good players adapt to their teammates. Carter or Nash, both should of been able to adapt to the others game. Look at Kessel, people looked at him as a 1 dimensional goal scorer that would shoot shoot shoot but even he learned to pass the puck to others. He's scored 70 points over once, so he's not doing that every year. Heck Kessel had 64 points playing with the likes of Joey Crabb and a struggling 1st year Bozak. I would say RJ umberger, vermeete, voracek were better players than what Kessel played with last year and they produced close to the same amount. Look at John Tavares, he's making the plugs he plays with on LI better. I guess you avoided my other point because you have no counter argument for that. On the other end, if he gets traded to NYR or LA, I doubt he would put up the points there either.
And what that might be? I'm skimming not going to answer a three paragraph post in every detail. The main problem with Columbus is its culture of suck. TOR doesnt accept losing. Columbus does. Trading Rick Nash may change that but really Howson and Priest need to go...whole other topic. Fact of the matter is, we dont know what has gone through that locker room to not click, part of it could be the ****tyness of one Scott Arniel but who is effecting who is unknown. Nash needs to be second fiddle not the star.

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Some people have said Bernier JJ and 1st is a low ball offer for Nash, those people being third party. You have no idea what is being offered. From what has been reported they want a fortune. Your package does not include that. I personally dont want to deal with the Leafs. They dont have the right players for Columbus. We need a goalie coming back atleast. IF any deal would be made, granted I think you are being blinded on what Nash's real value is with these crappy proposals in this thread, I think it'd be something like this.
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Not going to like it but frankly, I dont give a ****
I think that's fair offer in terms of what Columbus would want maybe add one of our AHL goalies. Now weather leafs brass pull the trigger who knows. I think they rather add schenn and add one two more pieces.

Schenn+Ross+Kulemin/Mac+Scrievens+1st.

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Exactly. I want Voynov much more. I'm not worried about the Russian factor with him at all. He's paid his dues, definetly no Filatov. Definite upside there.

Your right considering Jack Johnson previous history with Carolina, it should be an instant non-starter for Columbus. I just don't like the player much, either.
I agree that Voynov is a good option. He's young, he wants to play everyday in the NHL and wouldn't mind playing anywhere. He has not just potential, but a real shot, at being a very good dman. Would be a shame for the Kings to lose him but the kid deserve a regular NHL spot and Columbus could give that to him

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Exactly. We already have the howitzer at the point, and are paying the ultimate price for it right now. Solid defense is what they need, and good goaltending. I would feel much better with Voynov back their than Johnson. In fact, the thought of Johnson and Wizniewski on the same team, scares me.
How about the same line? Though that would be a pretty nasty PP but part of me thinks we wouldnt be on it much.

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I think that's fair offer in terms of what Columbus would want maybe add one of our AHL goalies. Now weather leafs brass pull the trigger who knows. I think they rather add schenn and add one two more pieces.

Schenn+Ross+Kulemin/Mac+Scrievens+1st.
See you started off great then went down hill. Of course they rather add Schenn but we dont want Schenn. Cant expect Nash without a serious offer that will beat out filling needs from LA.

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Hodgemail/TSN panel rip Toronto and their nonsense proposals haha

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And what that might be? I'm skimming not going to answer a three paragraph post in every detail. The main problem with Columbus is its culture of suck. TOR doesnt accept losing. Columbus does. Trading Rick Nash may change that but really Howson and Priest need to go...whole other topic. Fact of the matter is, we dont know what has gone through that locker room to not click, part of it could be the ****tyness of one Scott Arniel but who is effecting who is unknown. Nash needs to be second fiddle not the star.
I think goaltending would make a very large difference. Mason letting in 3-4 goals to start the game is bad psych for the team, it gives the attitude that the game is over before it started so what's the point of tryin. Also, if your goaltender doesn't make saves, the defencemen play more cautious around the goalie in effect the forwards don't get the puck out of the zone. The blueline needs a total makeover. Wiz and Tyutin are 2 top 4 guys so you need 2 more. Bottom 6 needs total makeover. You need 3 lines to score, but the 3rd line to play well defensively and check, Carter, Umberger, Nash would be top 6 guys on almost every team. Prospal too. If everyone played their roles correctly, there would be no issues with the top 6 forwards produciton. It's ironic, that you expect a premium for a guy you think is second fiddle. I'm just joking around you here but you get my point.

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Everytime I check this thread its only leafs fans trying different combinations of ****tay players to get him. Really?! Let it go.

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I agree that Voynov is a good option. He's young, he wants to play everyday in the NHL and wouldn't mind playing anywhere. He has not just potential, but a real shot, at being a very good dman. Would be a shame for the Kings to lose him but the kid deserve a regular NHL spot and Columbus could give that to him
With the players Columbus is putting on defense these days, I'd say he would be well over the 20 minute mark each game. Give him more time to develop his game. Not going to hold my breath, have suspicion Lombardi will keep him.


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How about the same line? Though that would be a pretty nasty PP but part of me thinks we wouldnt be on it much.
I was thinking of that, too. Might be a good powerplay, when we're already down 3-0.

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A lot of underrating JJ here. Voynov is good but he can't handle a forecheck as well or clear the front of the net. Voynovs poised and great at getting his shots through on the PP, even better than Doughty and JJ. When Doughty gets hurt, JJ plays that much better. Him and DD shouldn't be on the same PP.

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Everytime I check this thread its only leafs fans trying different combinations of ****tay players to get him. Really?! Let it go.
The best part is they lambast Rangers fans for refusing to include MDZ/McDonagh in a deal yet go on to state that Gardiner is untouchable, and if Howson demands Gardiner they say no thanks.

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I think goaltending would make a very large difference. Mason letting in 3-4 goals to start the game is bad psych for the team, it gives the attitude that the game is over before it started so what's the point of tryin. Also, if your goaltender doesn't make saves, the defencemen play more cautious around the goalie in effect the forwards don't get the puck out of the zone. The blueline needs a total makeover. Wiz and Tyutin are 2 top 4 guys so you need 2 more. Bottom 6 needs total makeover. You need 3 lines to score, but the 3rd line to play well defensively and check, Carter, Umberger, Nash would be top 6 guys on almost every team. Prospal too. If everyone played their roles correctly, there would be no issues with the top 6 forwards produciton. It's ironic, that you expect a premium for a guy you think is second fiddle. I'm just joking around you here but you get my point.
So basically you agree with me after you tried to pick a fight. Mmm gotcha. Why do you attempt to pick what I say and rephrase it? I said Rick Nash NEEDS to be second fiddle. Hes a quiet guy who doesnt like the attention. If he went to a big name team, he could do that. Just get his points and everyone on the other team would stop keying on him and him only. Its a valid point when it comes to Nash and his production.

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See you started off great then went down hill. Of course they rather add Schenn but we dont want Schenn. Cant expect Nash without a serious offer that will beat out filling needs from LA.
I am not saying I expect Columbus to take Schenn instead of Gardiner but rather that's what Leafs brass will offer.

That's why Leafs most likely won't have a good shot at getting Nash, as Rangers and Kings are rumoured to be front runners.

However I think if push comes to shove and Howson gives Burke a take it or leave it offer involving Gardiner then I think it's 50/50. I watched Dreger say along those lines that Leafs think Gardiner could be a star and etc etc but if Howson forces Gardiner to be involved then Nash would be one of those kind of players they would have to consider dealing him.

At this point though from everything I've watched and read, I don't think even Howson knows wtf he wants it seems, as he has asked one team to make an offer but that team responded by saying no you tell us what it will take as they don't want Howson just taking they're offer and shopping it (although at the end isn't that going to happen anyways?).

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I am not saying I expect Columbus to take Schenn instead of Gardiner but rather that's what Leafs brass will offer.

That's why Leafs most likely won't have a good shot at getting Nash, as Rangers and Kings are rumoured to be front runners.

However I think if push comes to shove and Howson gives Burke a take it or leave it offer involving Gardiner then I think it's 50/50. I watched Dreger say along those lines that Leafs think Gardiner could be a star and etc etc but if Howson forces Gardiner to be involved then Nash would be one of those kind of players they would have to consider dealing him.

At this point though from everything I've watched and read, I don't think even Howson knows wtf he wants it seems, as he has asked one team to make an offer but that team responded by saying no you tell us what it will take as they don't want Howson just taking they're offer and shopping it (although at the end isn't that going to happen anyways?).
I think you are correct. Howson wants to collect offers but more than anything else, I trust Craig Patrick....not Howson.

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I pray to god Brian Burke breaks the bank and brings in Rick Nash in typical Brian Burke fashion.

That way Sather doesnt do something stupid and screw up our chemistry and destroy our future.

Rangers have earned right to go to war together.

Bringing in Nash's retarded cap hit would impede ability to resign Stepan, McDonagh, MDZ, among a few others.

Not to mention assets that would need to be surrendered.

Dubinsky, while stats don't show it, plays a pretty big role on the team and is a player with playoff experience. Highly physical and can sustain playoff longevity, which should be plan in NY. Anyone who actually watches hockey as opposed to just looking at stats knows this.

Giving up Kreider? I'd rather hold on to Kreider and he bust as opposed to bringing in Nash and he busts and Kreider lights it up.

Cap flexibility should be a valued asset for a young team like NYR, who mind you are finally recovering from years of cap hell.

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Everytime I check this thread its only leafs fans trying different combinations of ****tay players to get him. Really?! Let it go.
Some of them have been pretty bad.

On the other hand, as a fan of neither the Leafs or the Jackets, there are some of them that I wouldn't make from a Toronto perspective. Gutting a good chunk of their young players for Nash seems pretty foolish.

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