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02-17-2012, 06:29 PM
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Of course they're not rebuilding, the Montreal Canadiens is a gold mine they don't want to throw that away.

What's important is that at least they get rid of guys now so we can have a high draft pick.

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two 2nds in 2012 and 2013
we haven't even had one 2nd the last two years

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two 2nds in 2012 and 2013
we haven't even had one 2nd the last two years
With Moen/Kostisyn, we will have more 2nd coming at the deadline.

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Blowing it up, or mortgaging the future for a star player would be nonsense, the retool makes most sense. Although I doubt we get that # 1 Centre (unless we draft him or Eller takes a few steps forward), or # 1 defenseman. The collective of, Beaulieu, Subban, Emelin, Tinordi, might make the # 1 D unnecessary.

P.S. Forgot Diaz.

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Blowing it up, or mortgaging the future for a star player would be nonsense, the retool makes most sense. Although I doubt we get that # 1 Centre (unless we draft him or Eller takes a few steps forward), or # 1 defenseman. The collective of, Beaulieu, Subban, Emelin, Tinordi, might make the # 1 D unnecessary.

P.S. Forgot Diaz.
Subban is a number one D. He might not be the PP QB Markov was but I think he might end up with the ES edge to make up for that.

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02-18-2012, 07:23 AM
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I think this a completely useless proposition. Current management may thing the direction is a retool, but I think the consensus is that they are going to get axed at the end of the year. I think it is premature to outright say that there will be no rebuild. The question really to ask is whether Molson is going to be the ***** he has portrayed himself to be, or grow a set and do what is in the best long term interests of the club. Knowing how ownership has acted for the last 20 years, they are content to allow the team to languish in mediocrity, as long as it is fighting for the last playoff spot. They won't take the Nordiques/Penguins/Capitals/Blackhawks model and suck for a few years, acquire the franchise players, and be Cup contenders for a decade or more.
With the hard cap in place and FA at the earlier of age 27 or 7 years, and with RFA stars commanding huge salaries after their ELCs are over, you cannot ever guarantee to be a contender for a decade or more after tanking and getting several really good cheap players.

The Black Hawks for instance ran into cap problems right after the ELCs of Kane and Toews came to an end.

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02-18-2012, 07:40 AM
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Which is perfect cause we don't need a full rebuild

We have enough good pieces to build around and move forward with, now sell the junk you don't want back, Gill, Kaberle, Campoli, Darche, Moen, Kostitsyn, Nokaleinen, who ever you don't want returning to this hockey club going forward get rid of now!
wake up ,we need a rebuild ....wtf are you guys smoking

you dont win squat without front line talent , we have 1 PRICE

are you going to war against Malkin and Flyers , Bruins , etc....with DD as your #1

or Pleks as your #2 , guys stop drinking the spiked kool aid

what now that we are 6 points and wont make the playoffs , now its tweek time

we have f all on the top 6 other than Max who should be a 30 goal moving forward

Cole is 34 and not part if the answer

The midget is a filler on 25 teams , Pleks is Pleks , ok as a second center

PK ...love him but he is not a legit #1 , solid but not enough to carry the D

Eller...love him but plays with crap and should be our # 2 , he is ready

Emelin...love him a nice shut down 4

Jorges ...can live with but not great

our success hinges on how we develop ( good luck cause we are brutal )

LeBlanc, Galagher, Kristo, Nathan , Tinordi , and others

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02-18-2012, 07:44 AM
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Subban is a number one D. He might not be the PP QB Markov was but I think he might end up with the ES edge to make up for that.

he is not a #1 , Lidstrom , Weber , Chara are ones

when he is mentioned as Norris trophy candidate then he can be a #1

is DD a #1 cause he happens to center our make shift #1 line ?

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he is not a #1 , Lidstrom , Weber , Chara are ones

when he is mentioned as Norris trophy candidate then he can be a #1

is DD a #1 cause he happens to center our make shift #1 line ?
there are 30 NHL teams in the league not 3.

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he is not a #1 , Lidstrom , Weber , Chara are ones

when he is mentioned as Norris trophy candidate then he can be a #1

is DD a #1 cause he happens to center our make shift #1 line ?


Yeah okay bud.

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I'm happy to see that. Contrary to what a lot if people believe, I don't think we need a complete rebuild.

To me a rebuild is when the cupboards are bare and you need to start from scratch. We don't.

We have a franchise goalie, a stud Defensman (PK), and a power forward (Patches) to start with. Not to mention Markov who is All World and Gionta who's a consistent 25-30 goal spark plug.

It's not all broken. A couple pieces here and there and we could easily be one of the top teams in the league. We don't new to blow it all up am start from scratch.

We need to get a bona fide #1, another star Defensman, some scoring help on the wings and we're good.

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With the hard cap in place and FA at the earlier of age 27 or 7 years, and with RFA stars commanding huge salaries after their ELCs are over, you cannot ever guarantee to be a contender for a decade or more after tanking and getting several really good cheap players.

The Black Hawks for instance ran into cap problems right after the ELCs of Kane and Toews came to an end.
They got into trouble when Tallon missed the qualifying offer date.
He then had to overpay - which didn't give him the time to be proactive - he became reactive.

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02-18-2012, 07:51 AM
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Subban is a number one D. He might not be the PP QB Markov was but I think he might end up with the ES edge to make up for that.
I think of Mark Streit and how things would be better if he was re-signed, i'm not saying that he is in Markov's category but things would be better if he was retained. I also think of Ryan O'byrne and his toughness and what he could have brought to this team. I think that markov has one more chance to come back and be durable and if he can then we are a much better team, if not it's retirement for him. Subban is a going to be a great defenseman and with Markov healthy and Gorges and Emelin then thats 4 D that any team would love to have. Things can be great if Markov comes back. I pray for him every night and I curse him on every failed pp attempt.

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02-18-2012, 07:59 AM
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I'm happy to see that. Contrary to what a lot if people believe, I don't think we need a complete rebuild.

To me a rebuild is when the cupboards are bare and you need to start from scratch. We don't.

We have a franchise goalie, a stud Defensman (PK), and a power forward (Patches) to start with. Not to mention Markov who is All World and Gionta who's a consistent 25-30 goal spark plug.

It's not all broken. A couple pieces here and there and we could easily be one of the top teams in the league. We don't new to blow it all up am start from scratch.

We need to get a bona fide #1, another star Defensman, some scoring help on the wings and we're good.
So true, and though this season has been a let down there have been some good things like Max, the fact he is playing in top form after what he has been through.

PK getting through the sophmore slump season.

Eric ******g Cole---whats not to love.

Emelin-Yemelin, has goten better with every game---the habs new Craig Ludwig/Lyle Odelin.

Louis Leblanc, very smart and will be a force for many years.

Things will be better next year.

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With yesterday's trade, I think this puts the habs at the max of 50 NHL contracts.
Our core is
Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Gorges and Plekanec.
Eller and Leblanc are upcoming core players but IMO are not just yet.
We still miss that stud on faceoff and our Defense is unbalanced.
My trade baits are:

Moen-yea that's right, for the right price.....see you July 1st?

Andrei Kostitsyn-I liked Andrei but he could get us a nice return and if so, time to move on.

Darche-loves Montreal but if a team want to give us a pick or a prospect,and I'm sure they could resign him July 1st.

In the end, I doubt we get a Nash, Carter or a Staal. We are gonna get prospect, picks and AHL players for what we sell.

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If im Montreal I keep the team we have for the most part, draft well and let our kids like LeBlanc, Geoffrion, Gallagher, Kristo, Beaulieu, Tinordi, and Ellis grow. Let LeBlanc and a few others grow in the habs lineup while the others develop in the minors.

Trade Kostitsyn and Campoli, maybe package Weber with kostitsyn for a better return.

Keep Moen.

Max Pacioretty - David Desharnais - Erik Cole
Rene Bourque - Tomas Plekanec - Brian Gionta
Louis LeBlanc - Lars Eller - Travis Moen
Mathieu Darche - Blake Geoffrion - Ryan White

Josh Gorges - PK Subban
Andrei Markov - Alexei Emelin
Tomas Kaberle - Raphael Diaz

Carey Price
Peter Budaj

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If im Montreal I keep the team we have for the most part, draft well and let our kids like LeBlanc, Geoffrion, Gallagher, Kristo, Beaulieu, Tinordi, and Ellis grow. Let LeBlanc and a few others grow in the habs lineup while the others develop in the minors.

Trade Kostitsyn and Campoli, maybe package Weber with kostitsyn for a better return.

Keep Moen.

Max Pacioretty - David Desharnais - Erik Cole
Rene Bourque - Tomas Plekanec - Brian Gionta
Louis LeBlanc - Lars Eller - Travis Moen
Mathieu Darche - Blake Geoffrion - Ryan White

Josh Gorges - PK Subban
Andrei Markov - Alexei Emelin
Tomas Kaberle - Raphael Diaz

Carey Price
Peter Budaj
That would be terrible actually.
Markov has not played one game yet, how exactly are you penciling him into the line up next year?
And if you trade AK and Weber, what do you get?

We need to improve our Defense. If you re-sign Moen, it's for the 4th line. I'm not letting AK go, at the expense of playing Leblanc on the 3rd line with Moen. Is the point to worsen us?
Geoffrion has not played one game for us. What makes you so sure he could do it regularly as of next year?
Remember how Engqvist turned out as our 4th line center?


This off season, we go after Weber and Semin. We can make it happen if we're aggressive. Trade conditional picks for negotiation rights before either hit the market. Obviously Weber is a RFA, so we'll have to see how that goes. But I'm really hoping Nashville might be inclined to listen if we offer a good package that would cost a lot less millions to their owner.

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If im Montreal I keep the team we have for the most part, draft well and let our kids like LeBlanc, Geoffrion, Gallagher, Kristo, Beaulieu, Tinordi, and Ellis grow. Let LeBlanc and a few others grow in the habs lineup while the others develop in the minors.

Trade Kostitsyn and Campoli, maybe package Weber with kostitsyn for a better return.

Keep Moen.

Max Pacioretty - David Desharnais - Erik Cole
Rene Bourque - Tomas Plekanec - Brian Gionta
Louis LeBlanc - Lars Eller - Travis Moen
Mathieu Darche - Blake Geoffrion - Ryan White

Josh Gorges - PK Subban
Andrei Markov - Alexei Emelin
Tomas Kaberle - Raphael Diaz

Carey Price
Peter Budaj
you're right.

No needs to destroy this team.

With a healthy team and a bit more confidence, this team will be very competitive next year.
Sign a big UFA D-man + a big gritty winger for the bottom two lines, and that's enough.

Change the GM and coaching staff and we are in business.

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That would be terrible actually.
Markov has not played one game yet, how exactly are you penciling him into the line up next year?
And if you trade AK and Weber, what do you get?

We need to improve our Defense. If you re-sign Moen, it's for the 4th line. I'm not letting AK go, at the expense of playing Leblanc on the 3rd line with Moen. Is the point to worsen us?
Geoffrion has not played one game for us. What makes you so sure he could do it regularly as of next year?
Remember how Engqvist turned out as our 4th line center?


This off season, we go after Weber and Semin. We can make it happen if we're aggressive. Trade conditional picks for negotiation rights before either hit the market. Obviously Weber is a RFA, so we'll have to see how that goes. But I'm really hoping Nashville might be inclined to listen if we offer a good package that would cost a lot less millions to their owner.
I guess you meant Suter? Just like Parise, he wants to go to a team that can contend as soon as next year so it's not happening there. Nevermind, you meant Weber, which is even less likely.

As for Semin, he is a very frustrating player to watch and I don't think he would be a good fit in Montreal.

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you're right.

No needs to destroy this team.

With a healthy team and a bit more confidence, this team will be very competitive next year.
Sign a big UFA D-man + a big gritty winger for the bottom two lines, and that's enough.

Change the GM and coaching staff and we are in business.
I agree fully, preferably a RH d-man, i hope the habs give Cory Sarich a look this Offseason, just dont know who would come out of the D lineup, DIAZ and Emelin have more than proven they belong.

As for the bottom line grinder i really don't have a clue, depends on whether the habs play Geoffrion on center or wing in my mind

If and only If markov returns to form we will regret the kaberle pickup.

In a perfect world i would love to see

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Sarich
Emelin - Diaz

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Pacioretty
Desharnais
Subban
Emelin
Gorges
Price
Eller

I build around this.
This + White

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wake up ,we need a rebuild ....wtf are you guys smoking

you dont win squat without front line talent , we have 1 PRICE

are you going to war against Malkin and Flyers , Bruins , etc....with DD as your #1

or Pleks as your #2 , guys stop drinking the spiked kool aid

what now that we are 6 points and wont make the playoffs , now its tweek time

we have f all on the top 6 other than Max who should be a 30 goal moving forward

Cole is 34 and not part if the answer

The midget is a filler on 25 teams , Pleks is Pleks , ok as a second center

PK ...love him but he is not a legit #1 , solid but not enough to carry the D

Eller...love him but plays with crap and should be our # 2 , he is ready

Emelin...love him a nice shut down 4

Jorges ...can live with but not great

our success hinges on how we develop ( good luck cause we are brutal )

LeBlanc, Galagher, Kristo, Nathan , Tinordi , and others
what about Grigorenko 1st
DD 2nd
Plekanec 3rd

also add Parise and substract Gomez (AHL)
Sign Weber (substract AK and Kaberle salary to sign him)

Jorges lollllll Gorges

see no need of full rebuild.

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there are 30 NHL teams in the league not 3.
There seam to be a lot of people with this problem, 15 #1 centers, 3 #1D's 5 starting goalies, one would think 30 would be the number for all of these but what do I know.

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This off season, we go after Weber and Semin. We can make it happen if we're aggressive. Trade conditional picks for negotiation rights before either hit the market. Obviously Weber is a RFA, so we'll have to see how that goes. But I'm really hoping Nashville might be inclined to listen if we offer a good package that would cost a lot less millions to their owner.
Explain why Nashville trade Weber for less than the 4 first rounders they would get if he signed an offer sheet and they didn't match it. Conditional picks?!

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That would be terrible actually.
Markov has not played one game yet, how exactly are you penciling him into the line up next year?
And if you trade AK and Weber, what do you get?

We need to improve our Defense. If you re-sign Moen, it's for the 4th line. I'm not letting AK go, at the expense of playing Leblanc on the 3rd line with Moen. Is the point to worsen us?
Geoffrion has not played one game for us. What makes you so sure he could do it regularly as of next year?
Remember how Engqvist turned out as our 4th line center?


This off season, we go after Weber and Semin. We can make it happen if we're aggressive. Trade conditional picks for negotiation rights before either hit the market. Obviously Weber is a RFA, so we'll have to see how that goes. But I'm really hoping Nashville might be inclined to listen if we offer a good packaige that would cost a lot less millions to their owner.
Should have known from all your rhetoric about Price and Subban that you can't actually recognize a bonafide "franchise" player. What do you think Nashville are going to take dime-a-dozen prospects like Leblanc in exchange for a real all-star?

Wake up.

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