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12-13 HFBoards Yahoo Fantasy Premier Keeper League - Part 4: Locked Out


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Playoffs:



co-Commissioners:CCF23 and CRDragon
Tribunal:BrockH, Tiranis, Ubiquitous
2-Time Defending Champion:CRDragon
2009-10 Champion:ubquitous
General Managers:Balls Mahoney
BrockH
 Canucksrock
 CCF23
 CRDragon
 Eddie Vedder
 LiquidSnake
 Parabola
 Red Light Mosquito
 SelKesler
 Tiranis
 ubiquitous

Important Dates:
Season Begins ==> October 6th, 2011
Trade Deadline ==> March 8th, 2012

Chat channel: http://cbe004.chat.mibbit.com/?chann...=irc.rizon.net

# of Picks
BH
BM
C
CCF
CRD
EV
LS
P
RM
SK
T
UB
1 BH's 1st BM's 1st C's 1st CCF's 1st CRD's 1st EV's 1st LS's 1st P's 1st RM's 1st SK's 1st T's 1st UB's 1st
2 BH's 2nd BM's 2nd C's 2nd CCF's 2nd CRD's 3rd EV's 2nd LS's 2nd P's 2nd RM's 2nd P's 5th T's 2nd UB's 2nd
3 BH's 3rd BM's 3rd CRD's 2nd SK's 2nd C's 5th EV's 3rd LS's 3rd P's 3rd RM's 3rd SK's 6th T's 3rd UB's 3rd
4 BH's 4th BM's 4th C's 3rd CCF's 3rd CRD's 5th EV's 4th LS's 5th P's 4th RM's 4th CCF's 7th CCF's 4th UB's 4th
5 BH's 5th CRD's 4th SK's 3rd LS's 4th CRD's 6th EV's 5th RM's 5th P's 6th RM's 7th SK's 7th T's 4th UB's 7th
6 BH's 6th BM's 5th C's 4th CCF's 5th C's 7th T's 5th LS's 6th P's 7th RM's 9th C's 8th EV's 8th BM's 8th
7 BH's 7th UB's 5th SK's 4th SK's 5th CRD's 7th EV's 6th LS's 7th P's 8th RM's 10th CCF's 8th T's 8th RM's 8th
8 BH's 9th BM's 6th C's 6th CCF's 6th CRD's 8th EV's 7th LS's 8th P's 9th RM's 11th SK's 8th T's 9th UB's 8th
9 BH's 10th RM's 6th BH's 8th T's 6th UB's 9th EV's 9th LS's 9th P's 10th CCF's 9th T's 10th CCF's 10th
10 BH's 11th BM's 7th C's 9th UB's 6th CRD's 10th EV's 10th LS's 10th SK's 10th SK's 9th CCF's 11th UB's 10th
11 BM's 9th CRD's 9th T's 7th CRD's 11th EV's 11th LS's 11th P's 11th SK's 11th T's 11th UB's 11th
12 BM's 10th C's 10th
13 BM's 11th C's 11th
*Updated as of March 9th 12:05AM
*Please notify CRDragon if you see any errors immediately!
BH's 3rd is removed for inactivity
SK's 6th is removed for violating Article 6.1a


2011-12 HFBoards Yahoo Fantasy Keeper League Awards Results:
2012 Most Valuable Player: Evgeni Malkin - Tiranis
2012 Rookie of the Year: Gabriel Landeskog - CRDragon
2012 Defenseman of the Year: Erik Karlsson - BrockH
2012 Goaltender of the Year: Henrik Lundqvist - Parabola
2012 Most Underrated Player: Ray Whitney - Ubiquitous
2012 Most Improved Player: James Neal - BrockH
2012 Manager of the Year: Tiranis

Post Count:
User Name III II I Ex-VII Ex-VI Ex-V Ex-IV Ex-III Ex-II Ex-I Total
CCF23 115 99 127 136 110 147 157 100 143 170 1304
CRDragon 128 116 144 76 131 83 95 126 102 54 1055
ubiquitous 136 145 105 129 117 98 100 84 65 63 1042
Balls Mahoney 90 61 37 64 81 122 154 93 119 96 917
Red Light Mosquito 118 46 86 42 104 61 58 106 84 106 811
BrockH 55 56 73 95 67 92 84 111 119 53 805
SelKesler 72 58 12 49 40 52 25 44 51 45 448
Eddie Vedder 32 43 82 47 49 37 75 33 25 24 447
Parabola 99 69 57 3 0 0 4 0 0 8 240
Tiranis 43 62 53 51 14 0 0 0 0 0 223
LiquidSnake 72 63 55 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 190
Canucksrock 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17
Lucbourdon* 19 179 156 154 154 197 147 148 101 0 1255
Pauser* 0 0 50 129 89 69 8 93 97 230 765
Meganuck* 0 0 0 0 0 19 50 34 24 42 169
In Gillis We Trust* 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 35 56 35 126
EricCartman* 0 0 33 17 35 0 0 0 0 0 85
LostMyGlasses* 0 0 0 0 7 20 30 0 0 0 57
LickTheEnvelope* 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
Others 5 5 10 11 1 2 13 4 9 39 99
*Ex-GM

Continued from here:
HFBoards Premier Keeper League
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...527 - Part III
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=988909 - Part II
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=929823 - Part I
HFBoards Keeper League
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=881279 - Part VII
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=846437 - Part VI
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=827646 - Part V
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=785787 - Part IV
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=725610 - Part III
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=711597 - Part II
http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=674762 - Part I


End of Season Rosters (As of April 8th, 2012)
Notify me immediately if there is a mistake, thanks!

BrockH
CRDragon
CCF23
Ubiquitous
Sidney Crosby Eric Staal Ryan Getzlaf Tyler Seguin
Mike Ribeiro David Backes Kyle Turris Jeff Skinner
Brad Marchand Gabriel Landeskog Tyler Ennis Chris Kunitz
Alex Ovechkin Patrick Marleau Pavel Datsyuk Ray Whitney
Corey Perry Ryane Clowe Drew Stafford Jaromir Jagr
Jason Pominville Cam Fowler Alexander Semin Alexander Radulov
Erik Karlsson Claude Giroux Ryan Whitney Andrei Markov
Nicklas Lidstrom Shea Weber Marek Zidlicky Jack Johnson
Duncan Keith Kimmo Timonen Stephane Robidas Tyler Myers
Brent Burns Dennis Wideman Mike Green Keith Yandle
James Neal Ryan Kesler Jakub Voracek Anze Kopitar
TJ Oshie Shane Doan Ryan McDonagh Steven Stamkos
David Desharnais Dany Heatley Steve Ott Valtteri Filppula
Erik Cole Michael Ryder Jonathan Toews Teemu Selanne
Ian White Derek Stepan Ryan Smyth Erik Johnson
Kevin Bieksa Matt Read Brooks Laich David Clarkson
Martin Havlat Slava Voynov Sven Baetschi
Jonathan Huberdeau Craig Anderson
Niklas Backstrom Jonathan Quick James Van Riemsdyk Tuukka Rask
Jonas Hiller Brian Elliott Pekka Rinne
Antti Niemi Cam Ward Ryan Miller Martin Brodeur
Miikka Kiprusoff

Parabola
Balls Mahoney
Canucksrock
Eddie Vedder
Patrik Elias Joe Thornton Mikko Koivu Brayden Schenn
David Legwand John Tavares Brad Richards Sean Couturier
Matt Moulson Milan Lucic Ilya Kovalchuk Jamie Benn
Zach Parise Taylor Hall Brenden Morrow Johan Franzen
Milan Michalek Kyle Okposo Marian Gaborik Ryan Callahan
Jordan Eberle Todd Bertuzzi Martin St. Louis Kris Versteeg
Lubomir Visnovsky Travis Hamonic Ryan Suter Brian Campbell
Michael Del Zotto Tomas Kaberle Dan Boyle Niklas Kronwall
Tobias Enstrom Zdeno Chara Jason Garrison Alex Pietrangelo
Brent Seabrook Dmitry Kulikov Victor Hedman Dion Phaneuf
Stephen Weiss Evander Kane Jaden Schwartz Marcus Foligno
Jason Spezza Zack Kassian Carl Hagelin Jeff Carter
Shane O'Brien Adam Larsson Daniel Alfredsson Justin Williams
Pascal Dupuis Matt Duchene Bryan Little Max Pacioretty
Dustin Brown Craig Smith Ryan O'Reilly Mikhail Grabovski
Jarome Iginla Joffrey Lupul Andrew Ladd Derek Roy
Joe Pavelski Nathan Horton Cody Hodgson Thomas Vanek
Henrik Lundqvist Evgeni Nabokov Corey Crawford Ondrej Pavelec
Roberto Luongo Sergei Bobrovsky James Reimer Carey Price
JS Giguere Semyon Varlamov Tomas Vokoun Jose Theodore
Robin Lehner

Red Light Mosquito
Tiranis
SelKesler
LiquidSnake
Patrick Kane Evgeni Malkin David Krejci Henrik Sedin
Adam Henrique Tomas Plekanec Ryan Nugent-Hopkins Nicklas Backstrom
Bobby Ryan Rick Nash Henrik Zetterberg Steve Downie
Scott Hartnell Brandon Dubinsky Tomas Fleischmann David Perron
Wayne Simmonds Patrick Sharp Danny Briere PA Parenteau
Chris Stewart Radim Vrbata Teddy Purcell Phil Kessel
Alexander Edler Mark Streit Nick Leddy Sami Salo
John-Michael Liles Kris Letang Alex Goligoski Joni Pitkanen
PK Subban Dustin Byfuglien James Wisniewski Drew Doughty
Oliver Ekman-Larsson Matt Carle Marian Hossa Dennis Seidenberg
Martin Erat Patrice Bergeron Jordan Staal Kevin Shattenkirk
Christian Ehrhoff Steve Sullivan Alexandre Burrows Zach Bogosian
Michael Cammalleri Loui Eriksson Logan Couture Cal Clutterbuck
Mike Richards Kyle Quincey Dougie Hamilton Mark Giordano
Curtis Glencross Zac Rinaldo Ryan Strome Daniel Sedin
Paul Stastny John Carlson Vincent Lecavalier Mika Zibanejad
Olli Jokinen Blake Wheeler
Jimmy Howard Cory Schneider
Marc-Andre Fleury Mike Smith Kari Lehtonen Tim Thomas
Ilya Bryzgalov Jacob Markstrom Braden Holtby Nikolai Khabibulin
Josh Harding Jaroslav Halak Michal Neuvirth Jonathan Bernier

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nobody bit on my earlier comment, whats with the long trade delay?

Its never made sense to me, and i would just as soon get rid of it.
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It's the Yahoo standard, but I'm inclined to agree. This league is active enough, a 1 day review period seems like more than enough time. I also think we should still vote on CCF's rule change (adapted to 2/week without counting injuries and also hopefully excluding add/drops effective Monday) because even with Luc gone it remains a potential issue.
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Im on par with this, I think its a rule we can implement immediately if everyone is ok with it. It doesn't effect anyone negatively if it is implemented.
Alright, 1 week discussion regarding this change.

Proposal: Instead of a 2 day review, it is changed to 1 day for any trades.
We never followed up with this...do we all agree? or no?
Currently, it's a 2 day review.

Proposal would be to change it to a 1 day review or an automatic trade.
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No trade ever gets vetoed in our league though...so why the review if 99.9999999% nothing will come of it?

Just some discussion questions.

Also, it'd prevent CCF from pushing it through by mistake...remember?

And also, all trades are pushed through at the trade deadline day.
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I'm a fan of two day rule just because it prevents shenanigans. 10,000 trades will occur without incident but there's going to be that one retarded trade some day where either someone gets fed up and wants to sabotage his team or someone takes a bunch of cough syrup and trades his entire goaltending stable in a narcotic like reality. It may be just a formality, but I'm a fan of it.

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I'm ok with 1 day.

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I'm still fine with 1 day. However, if anyone raises an issue with it within that 1 day, then it is open for discussion as deemed necessary (i.e. 1 appeal = it can be reversed, even if we take more than 1 day to determine the reversal is necessary).

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Also, please consider this my formal appeal regarding the previous penalties for failing to set my lineups. I think I've made my concerns abundantly clear. While I recognize it has the potential to impact playoff standings, when it's a day here and there (as opposed to say going MIA for an 3 days in one matchup) we are talking about 1 or 2 points realistically when things go wrong for me. Yes, there's the potential for those 1 or 2 points to mean the difference between making or missing the playoffs. However, the odds of me actually affecting seeding, let alone who wins the league, seems miniscule to me. I'm not saying it's okay, but I do feel that a 2nd round pick is a drastic response to what is [in my view] a small infraction.

Also, I will endeavour to set my lineups on a weekly basis, but the reality is I forget on Sunday to do it for the week too. I often remember to do lineups late (e.g. post-1am when I get home from work) and don't have the motivation to set them for the week at that hour. I've actually them 3-weeks in advance once before when I remembered and had time, but those situations are rare (and consequently lead to me missing things like say...Crosby's return to hockey). I'm bad at remembering to do it during 'regular hours,' and so it gets put off. Not saying this is acceptable, but it is how things happen for me. You can make your own judgement regarding that as to whether or not it means I care about the league enough. As for the alternate manager strategy, if anyone knows of a manager that would be interested in setting lineups but willing to leave complete control of the long term strategy (i.e. roster control) in my hands, I would be more than happy to have them on-board for the duration of this season (and quite likely into future seasons).

Edit: Please don't take this as me trying to rehash the argument. I've said most of the above before, and have (I think) heard the counter-arguments. I've been advised that a formal appeal might be considered, and that this was the way to do it. I think an appeal without grounds would be a bit empty, so I'm restating my previous viewpoints. I know many of you disagree with me on these points, and am hoping to respectfully disagree without provoking drama. I await the tribunal/commissioners' judgement (whatever process gets taken?).


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Also, please consider this my formal appeal regarding the previous penalties for failing to set my lineups. I think I've made my concerns abundantly clear. While I recognize it has the potential to impact playoff standings, when it's a day here and there (as opposed to say going MIA for an 3 days in one matchup) we are talking about 1 or 2 points realistically when things go wrong for me. Yes, there's the potential for those 1 or 2 points to mean the difference between making or missing the playoffs. However, the odds of me actually affecting seeding, let alone who wins the league, seems miniscule to me. I'm not saying it's okay, but I do feel that a 2nd round pick is a drastic response to what is [in my view] a small infraction.

Also, I will endeavour to set my lineups on a weekly basis, but the reality is I forget on Sunday to do it for the week too. I often remember to do lineups late (e.g. post-1am when I get home from work) and don't have the motivation to set them for the week at that hour. I've actually them 3-weeks in advance once before when I remembered and had time, but those situations are rare (and consequently lead to me missing things like say...Crosby's return to hockey). I'm bad at remembering to do it during 'regular hours,' and so it gets put off. Not saying this is acceptable, but it is how things happen for me. You can make your own judgement regarding that as to whether or not it means I care about the league enough. As for the alternate manager strategy, if anyone knows of a manager that would be interested in setting lineups but willing to leave complete control of the long term strategy (i.e. roster control) in my hands, I would be more than happy to have them on-board for the duration of this season (and quite likely into future seasons).

Edit: Please don't take this as me trying to rehash the argument. I've said most of the above before, and have (I think) heard the counter-arguments. I've been advised that a formal appeal might be considered, and that this was the way to do it. I think an appeal without grounds would be a bit empty, so I'm restating my previous viewpoints. I know many of you disagree with me on these points, and am hoping to respectfully disagree without provoking drama. I await the tribunal/commissioners' judgement (whatever process gets taken?).
Ok, appeal accepted on my part. I have contacted CCF with regards to the procedure we could take. He will also have to accept it to be an official accepted appeal.

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Hey guys as of tonight i'm 2 points behind 3rd and 10 points behind first.



Imagine what could have been if I didn't pick Dustin Brown.

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Ok, appeal accepted on my part. I have contacted CCF with regards to the procedure we could take. He will also have to accept it to be an official accepted appeal.
I'm fine with an appeal.

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Housekeeping...



If the commissioners deem a rule has been broken and punishment is necessary, the commissioners will suggest a punishment. At that time, the offending party will have a chance to appeal the punishment. There will be a statement made from the offending party as to why he feels the punishment is too severe (or not deserved at all) after which the tribunal will be given the power to either uphold the commissioners ruling, lessen the penalty, or wipe the penalty out altogether.

That proposed rule change has passed by a 12-0 vote.

and...

Are you in favour of adding one utility slot effective next season?

That proposed rule change has also passed by a 9-3 vote.

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Because of adding a util spot are we removing a bench spot?

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If we keep the same amount of bench spots, then we will have 12 rounds of draft.
Changing one of the bench spot to a utility spot would keep things running the same way (11 rounds)...which I assume is the case here...

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If we keep the same amount of bench spots, then we will have 12 rounds of draft.
Changing one of the bench spot to a utility spot would keep things running the same way (11 rounds)...which I assume is the case here...
Yes, that's what I assumed we were doing, and what everyone would want... 12 rounds is a bit much IMO.

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Agreed.

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The firesale continues...

CCF trades:

David Clarkson
CCF's 10th round pick

Ubi trades:

Drew Stafford
Ubi's 6th

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The firesale continues...

CCF trades:

David Clarkson
CCF's 10th round pick

Ubi trades:

Drew Stafford
Ubi's 6th
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Are you going to keep Clarkson? Otherwise I don't understand the trade. You're not making the playoffs this year.

Good trade for CCF though, upgrades 4 rounds, gets Stafford who has potential to go back to his 30 goal season self.

If ubi is keeping Clarkson its a good trade for him, the 30 goal + insane PIM is always good.

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I'm not keeping Stafford and yes, Ubi will make the playoffs.

RLM (who is in 6th) is up 5-4. Ubi is beating me 8-1. As it stands right now Ubi would be in 6th place and a lot closer to Sel who's going to drop to 5th likely. I'd be willing to bet Ubi finishes 4th or 5th.

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Are you going to keep Clarkson? Otherwise I don't understand the trade. You're not making the playoffs this year.
Lol, go learn math dude.

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Hey guys as of tonight i'm 2 points behind 3rd and 10 points behind first.



Imagine what could have been if I didn't pick Dustin Brown.
As of tonight you're still 19 points behind me. Or do you also count the points for the Canucks' wins when they're up after two periods?

Edit: It's particularly ironic that you count your points before they're on the board, yet mock Ubi about making the playoffs when the same premise puts him in a playoff spot.


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OMG Ubi made a second trade...the end of the world is coming.

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Imagine what could have been if I didn't pick Dustin Brown.
You're such an ironic man.
I love how you bash my players and praise Brown during our trade talks...but in fact you're saying he's dragging you back pretty much.
O look Marleau has 9 pts in the past 9 games!

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Philadelphia's goalie's suck. Both of them. They're flat out awful.

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As of tonight you're still 19 points behind me. Or do you also count the points for the Canucks' wins when they're up after two periods?

Edit: It's particularly ironic that you count your points before they're on the board, yet mock Ubi about making the playoffs when the same premise puts him in a playoff spot.
Didn't really notice RLM was only at 171. It was like 1:30 AM and I was pretty tired. Trade makes more sense now, ubi gears up for a playoff run, CCF upgrades a draft pick.

I only found out about the stat tracker recently so now I go by that to know where i'm at. Its pretty awesome.

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You're such an ironic man.
I love how you bash my players and praise Brown during our trade talks...but in fact you're saying he's dragging you back pretty much.
O look Marleau has 9 pts in the past 9 games!
Yeah. I thought LA was maybe turning a corner... But he kind of was dragging me back, wasn't very good for where I drafted. You never got back to me about trade talks like you said you would

Oh well, what can you do. I'm still in a good position.

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You've also got to keep in mind the upcoming schedule, most of my upcoming matchups are against teams that I've had success against.

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You've also got to keep in mind the upcoming schedule, most of my upcoming matchups are against teams that I've had success against.
True. That doesn't mean a whole lot though... I tied Canucksrock/luc, lost 3-6 to you, lost 3-7 to EV and lost 2-8 to brock but beat everyone the second time I played them except you where it was 4-5. Pretty small sample size.

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