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02-18-2012, 11:24 AM
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I'm gonna be very happy if he becomes a constant 82-10-15-25 guy that drops the gloves.

I would like to see him decline some invitations to fight though. He should not fight fighters that have 4 inches on him like McQuaid even though he did well this time. Maybe he can hold the fort this year and then Gauthier signs an heavyweight this summer.
Actually I think it's the best et to send a message. That no matter who it is, you will have to fight White and the kid might not be the best fighter but he can hold his own.

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02-18-2012, 11:28 AM
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Reminds me of Shane Corson.
Is it possible that he develops his offensive game to be like Shane?
Close, I think white is more a skrudland type though. Good tough bottom 6 center that can fight and contribute offensively.

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To be honest I'm a big fan and he actually impressed me since his return last game I mean it's more or less the first time he is playing with player of Gomez and Kostitsyn level and he is doing a pretty good job even creating some chances. He has some offensive game that will likely never be seen or in one or two 35-40 pts I just hope that he could explode in the playoff like Moen did with Anaheim

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White could end up being a great complimentary player for a top line or a great 3rd line Center, he has finally improved his skating and his shot is getting better too. He already has the toughness, 20 goals in a full 82 game season for him is not out of the question down the road.

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02-18-2012, 12:57 PM
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Leblanc's another animal, you can feel that whenever he's on the ice he's got the win in mind. Frankly, I've got high expectations for him, I see a player à la Pacioretty going forward (it may be unrealistic, but I know he himself sets the bar high).
Im thinking more of a Guy Carbonneau with more of a physical game than Guy brought.

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02-18-2012, 01:00 PM
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Close, I think white is more a skrudland type though. Good tough bottom 6 center that can fight and contribute offensively.
I have been thinking the same thing. I thought Corson at first but I dont think he will get to Corsons offensive game, so more of a Skrudland who fights more. The great thing is we can just sit back and watch how high he can develop because we are happy with him right now, its not like hell disappoint

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02-18-2012, 01:26 PM
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I really feel like if he was with the team all year we would be better positioned for a playoff spot.. His energy seems contagious

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02-18-2012, 02:41 PM
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I have been thinking the same thing. I thought Corson at first but I dont think he will get to Corsons offensive game, so more of a Skrudland who fights more. The great thing is we can just sit back and watch how high he can develop because we are happy with him right now, its not like hell disappoint
Nope. More of a Mcphee/Keane type of player. Skrudland didn't fight and was a faceoff/defensive specialist. If he wasn't made of porcelain he would have been one of the best. The comparison to Carbs is way off too. Carbs was a master shot blocker and PK/faceoff specialist.

White is an energy player and fighter. Doubt he'll get to Corson's level. I'd settle for Keane/Mcphee though. That's good company.

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02-18-2012, 06:43 PM
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Yeah, but most of us see games on TV and the camera is mostly jumping onto a guy when he's jumping onto a puck or making a hit or coasting after a play, so you don't get to evaluate his skating so much. Straight skating back on the backcheck or even agility and balance can still be a bit off for him, but it's nowhere near where he was at as a junior. He has added "quickness" and "jump", for sure. Enough to make him an NHL player, even if below average in terms of pure skating ability. Even the jump and effort was lacking before. That was part of what contributed to his fall in the draft.

Like MT said, I think it is indicative of a change in his dedication/commitment. He consciously decided to be more aggressive and fight more, he wasn't all that big or strong (still isn't), but he's working at it and pushing his limits. Same with skating. He may not have great technique or agility out there, but he's pushing himself and hustling, which mostly covers for the inadquacies, especially in a short-ice game like he plays.
He has definitely made huge strides as his skating was abysmal in junior. He has improved it enough to get by at the NHL level especially when you consider that he hustles more than anyone else on the ice.

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Did anyone catch him singing on the bench between shifts? He was rockin out. I just cant remember the song that was playing in the rink. Sign him long term....

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02-18-2012, 08:25 PM
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Either you guys don't remember Corson or you never saw him play. Corson fought and beat John Kordic to make the team. Ryan White gets eaten by either Kordic or Corson. Corson had seasons where he scored 26,31,23,25 goals respectively. White has no shot at that... Corson was one of the best powerforwards of his era, behind guys like Neely, Tocchet, Roberts and Nolan. And a Vicious fighter, laying absolute beatings on guys.

Ryan White is a great fourth liner and adds a decent but not overwhelming physical presence. He defends his mates but he's not in the top 10 middleweights in the league. Love the guy but he's a shell of Shayne Corson.

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02-18-2012, 08:54 PM
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Either you guys don't remember Corson or you never saw him play. Corson fought and beat John Kordic to make the team. Ryan White gets eaten by either Kordic or Corson. Corson had seasons where he scored 26,31,23,25 goals respectively. White has no shot at that... Corson was one of the best powerforwards of his era, behind guys like Neely, Tocchet, Roberts and Nolan. And a Vicious fighter, laying absolute beatings on guys.

Ryan White is a great fourth liner and adds a decent but not overwhelming physical presence. He defends his mates but he's not in the top 10 middleweights in the league. Love the guy but he's a shell of Shayne Corson.
Agreed!

The McPhee comparisons are also laughable as White is considerably smaller and slower than McPhee.

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I love Ryan White. Hs a great character guy who will everything he can to play in the NHL and be a useful player. The comparison with Mike Keane is accurate IMO as well as a Darcy Tucker type player. Doubt he ever scores 30 goals but I do think he has scoring upside of 15 goals, maybe a career year of 20+ goals if he hits full stride.

White does have to be careful. Players who are smaller and as physical as he is can wear down and loose their effectiveness and fall into long slumps where it looks like they don't care anymore but in fact its their bodies breaking down. I can see this happening with him as time goes on and the NHL grind catches up.

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02-19-2012, 07:16 AM
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I love Ryan White. Hs a great character guy who will everything he can to play in the NHL and be a useful player. The comparison with Mike Keane is accurate IMO as well as a Darcy Tucker type player. Doubt he ever scores 30 goals but I do think he has scoring upside of 15 goals, maybe a career year of 20+ goals if he hits full stride.

White does have to be careful. Players who are smaller and as physical as he is can wear down and loose their effectiveness and fall into long slumps where it looks like they don't care anymore but in fact its their bodies breaking down. I can see this happening with him as time goes on and the NHL grind catches up.
White has a vicious wrister that we haven't had the opportunity to see much of at the NHL level. This may allow him to be a relevant offensive player with 15-10-25 type potential. If he can demonstrate some decent hands he may even be able to work himself into a net front presence on the power play.

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Either you guys don't remember Corson or you never saw him play. Corson fought and beat John Kordic to make the team. Ryan White gets eaten by either Kordic or Corson. Corson had seasons where he scored 26,31,23,25 goals respectively. White has no shot at that... Corson was one of the best powerforwards of his era, behind guys like Neely, Tocchet, Roberts and Nolan. And a Vicious fighter, laying absolute beatings on guys.

Ryan White is a great fourth liner and adds a decent but not overwhelming physical presence. He defends his mates but he's not in the top 10 middleweights in the league. Love the guy but he's a shell of Shayne Corson.
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Agreed!

The McPhee comparisons are also laughable as White is considerably smaller and slower than McPhee.
Slower relative to his peers, likely. But "considerably" smaller?

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Agreed.



Slower relative to his peers, likely. But "considerably" smaller?
Are you kidding?????????????????

White is listed as 6'0 200lbs but you have to be blind to believe that. I doubt he is even 5'11...............

McPhee is listed as 6'2 205lbs and that is definitely smaller than what he played at as these were his numbers when he entered the NHL. Probably played at around 215lbs during his prime. McPhee was a beast as his relative size in the 80's was huge compared to White's relative size in today's NHL.

You can't deny that White is clearly smaller than the average NHLer while McPhee towered over most forwards in the 80's.

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Are you kidding?????????????????

White is listed as 6'0 200lbs but you have to be blind to believe that. I doubt he is even 5'11...............

McPhee is listed as 6'2 205lbs and that is definitely smaller than what he played at as these were his numbers when he entered the NHL. Probably played at around 215lbs during his prime. McPhee was a beast as his relative size in the 80's was huge compared to White's relative size in today's NHL.

You can't deny that White is clearly smaller than the average NHLer while McPhee towered over most forwards in the 80's.
Eliteprospects, hockeyreference, and NHL.com all list McPhee as 6'1" 205 lbs, but I'm going to go upstairs and check some of my old hockey cards, too. That's usually the best place to find inflated physical stats/upper "limits". But I've actually met the guy numerous times out here, and at 5'10/11" myself last time, he didn't exactly tower over me. No doubt he played heavier (I think a lot of guys did well through the 80s), but he's hardly a mountain of a man. Mountain of a personality, yeah, but physically? Not really.

It's a matter of relativity or perception. I mean, in McPhee's day, I think every one of our "top 6 defensemen" was under 6'1" or below. Oh wait, there was Ludwig. Anyway, like, 1 or 2 people on the whole team over 6'2" I believe. You're right that White is smaller than average for now, and that McPhee might have been bigger than average for now, but if you use subjective descriptions like "considerably smaller", expect someone to ask you to explain that one, as most places don't list them as being so, so different via the "tale of the tape".


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Are you kidding?????????????????

White is listed as 6'0 200lbs but you have to be blind to believe that. I doubt he is even 5'11...............

McPhee is listed as 6'2 205lbs and that is definitely smaller than what he played at as these were his numbers when he entered the NHL. Probably played at around 215lbs during his prime. McPhee was a beast as his relative size in the 80's was huge compared to White's relative size in today's NHL.

You can't deny that White is clearly smaller than the average NHLer while McPhee towered over most forwards in the 80's.

After all these comparisons I still feel he is our Aaron Asham of the future. No more no less. Every team needs one of those.
Que the'' Trade White while his value is high threads'', or "Do you think Ryan can get us a first round pick? He is Shane Corson 2.0. Funny stuff my friends......funny stuff

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Emm, he'll never be a cheap shot artist and he doesn't pick his fights like Ott does.

I'd compare him more to Chris Neil. He's faster and more tenacious than Neil is at this point in his career, but he plays a similar game.

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02-19-2012, 09:42 AM
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What a frustrating season 2011-12 is: for months I have been wishing for Markov and Subban as a great 1-2 punch on D... and now I can't wait to see Moen and White in the line up!

Ryan White's upside? A gritty winger, one who stands his ground/draws the line, who will work his way up to our shut down line. Mentally he is Keane or Bouillon part 2.

I also like the fact that White is a home grown talent: continuity and stability are keys.


PS Thank GAWD Gauthier decided to offer a contract to White… instead of Pyatt!

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