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02-18-2012, 01:18 PM
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Is it me or are the Habs a better team under Cunney?

I'm not saying Cunney's a better coach than Martin (all things considered, Martin is a better coach), but it seems like the team is playing a more aggressive game. There's more effort, and there are more goals. Defensively there might be a bit of a drop off but we lost many games under Martin where we allowed 1 or 2 goals. Too lazy to look up stats, but am I right that this is a better team under Cunney?

Habs have scored 3 goals or more in 10 of the last 12 games. I don't think we've ever experienced that under Martin.

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02-18-2012, 01:21 PM
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Lately, it sure looks like it. But, don't forget that at the begiging we went something close to 1-5-0 right?

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They have been scoring more, better forechecking, more physical but they still suck in the 3rd period.

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IMO we were better with Martin. He was never under .500 for such an extended period of time. I find our d coverage to be brutal over last few games. Price is saving our balls and it's still not enough

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I'm not saying Cunney's a better coach than Martin (all things considered, Martin is a better coach), but it seems like the team is playing a more aggressive game. There's more effort, and there are more goals. Defensively there might be a bit of a drop off but we lost many games under Martin where we allowed 1 or 2 goals. Too lazy to look up stats, but am I right that this is a better team under Cunney?

Habs have scored 3 goals or more in 10 of the last 12 games. I don't think we've ever experienced that under Martin.
More agressive forecheck (which created a lapse in backcheck and a long losing streak) is starting to payoff.
I think Cunney's main positive vs Martin is his ACCOUNTABILITY. Martin never dared to bench Gomez.

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Lately, it sure looks like it. But, don't forget that at the begiging we went something close to 1-5-0 right?
Personally, I don't count that. There were so many factors that contributed to the Habs poor play when Cunney came in.

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They haven't been very good under either, but I find the team more entertaining to watch with Cunneyworth. There have been quite a few bad games (particularly third-period choke jobs), but a lot more exciting ones than with Martin.

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IMO we were better with Martin. He was never under .500 for such an extended period of time. I find our d coverage to be brutal over last few games. Price is saving our balls and it's still not enough
Martin had 2 1/2 years to implement his system and bring in his guys. I'm not sure how you expect a coach to come in mid year and turn things around on a team that ultimately has a lot of holes and having his coaches handpicked by management.

If you think Price is saving our balls this year, then what do you call what he was doing last year and Halak the year before?

Price is playing well, but not as well as last year.

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They're funner to watch under Cunney that's for sure.

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Habs are playing with fire under there *****. i don't RC is as much of a factor and i think any new coach would of had the same effect. Coaching wise, i'm not sold yet.

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Martin had 2 1/2 years to implement his system and bring in his guys. I'm not sure how you expect a coach to come in mid year and turn things around on a team that ultimately has a lot of holes and having his coaches handpicked by management.

If you think Price is saving our balls this year, then what do you call what he was doing last year and Halak the year before?

Price is playing well, but not as well as last year.
What system are we playing under RC? It looks extremely disorganized. The man benches players and is playing 2 and a half lines most night. I have nothing against him and i wasnt a Martin guy but in all fairness, they both stink, Bring in a real coach

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Well, if you consider "Too many men" minors as an indicator of "slowness", we have improved drastically in that department. And yes, we do seem to be skating harder, although guys like AK and Bourque seems set in their ways.

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Habs are playing with fire under there *****. i don't RC is as much of a factor and i think any new coach would of had the same effect. Coaching wise, i'm not sold yet.
If the Habs got a new coach, I wouldn't have a problem has Cunney has not shown enough to convince me that he can do the job. At the same time, if he was retained I would not have an issue as I like a lot of the things he's done and I think he's the type of coach where players want to play with him and he's respected. I think Martin was respected but he would live and die with his vets and throw the young guys under the bus. That kind of stuff could divide a team. Then you have the bench minors....I don't think we've had a single one with Cunney.

Cunney stresses going to the dirty areas, hitting, being physical and firing pucks at the net. IMO, if he got a year or 2 to bring in his guys Asst. Coaches and players, we'd see a bigger, stronger, grittier team who can score goals. Probably would not be as good defensively, but the Defensive roster is abysmal.

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What system are we playing under RC? It looks extremely disorganized. The man benches players and is playing 2 and a half lines most night. I have nothing against him and i wasnt a Martin guy but in all fairness, they both stink, Bring in a real coach
Jacques Martin employed the neutral zone trap. I don't think benching a guy means you stop using that trap, which we still do at times.

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At the end of the day i wont matter, he will be canned right after the last game. He is not the coach next year. Im sure we all know that

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What system are we playing under RC? It looks extremely disorganized. The man benches players and is playing 2 and a half lines most night. I have nothing against him and i wasnt a Martin guy but in all fairness, they both stink, Bring in a real coach
I don't think either coach stinks. You're being too harsh. I don't know what RC's system is...but he employs an aggressive 2 man forecheck which typically leaves you a bit vulnerable on the back end. Patience doesn't seem to exist on this board for some reason.

As far as the lines. There's a reason why he's playing 2 1/2 lines and that has to do with depth. We played 7 dmen because 4 of them were a liability 5 on 5 therefore you had to cut their minutes.

I don't agree with everything Cunney does but I understand he's a rookie coach and don't expec things to change overnight. The little change that I do see is good though.

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They're funner to watch under Cunney that's for sure.
That's about it

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They got a sense of urgency

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Smaller forwards out of the picture with Cammy gone and Gionta injured.

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Better at certain things, yes: more aggressive forecheck, net presence in the O zone, finishing our checks, effort level. Defensively, we're not stable at all. Martin's novocaine system compensated - slightly, albeit - for the lack of experience on D, but with this season's experience under their belts, our young D will be that much better next year. Add another veteran, hard nosed player back there during the off-season, and it'll be a different team come training camp.

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Still don't understand why all our coaches have hardons for Darche.

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I dont know if they are better, but they are different, and they are healthier.

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I dont know if they are better, but they are different, and they are healthier.
I'm not sure about that.

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The most important thing is that they are more fun to watch ! And that's why we watch hockey.

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The Habs under RC have a better offensive output but defensive zone coverage is a complete disaster, its understandable to a certain extent since we have Campoli and Kaberle in the back end. We were much more solid in the defensive zone under Martin.

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Maybe not better. More entertaining? A thousand fold.

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