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02-17-2012, 11:13 PM
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A little scouting report on Hal Gill

There are basically two things you need to know about Gill:

1. He is the best PK Dman in the NHL.
2. Come playoff time he becomes one of the best 5on5 defensive defensman in the game as well.

He's a big reason why the Habs have been great in the playoffs the last couple years (7th game OT against the eventual SC champ Bruins last year, and EC finals the year before), and he was a defensive force for Pittsburgh when they won the cup. He's a true leader/warrior to boot, and in the playoffs he's able to clutch and grab in a way that he just isn't able to get away with int he regular season.

If you accept him for what he is, and recognize that it isn't going to be pretty at times over the rest of the the regular season, you'll love him. He's a true playoff performer, and obviously that's why you guys acquired him.

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02-17-2012, 11:19 PM
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Nice dance around the question, I'll give you props for that
I wasn't referring to trading for Gill in the offseason. I was referring going after UFA veteran defensive depth in general (not just last offseason).

We should go after it next offseason as well and not just hope young players can handle things past Suter/Weber. And if young players are ready, we can trade vets for a high price at the deadline anyway.

Of course if Suter is gone, we really have to go after defensive depth.


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There are basically two things you need to know about Gill:

1. He is the best PK Dman in the NHL.
2. Come playoff time he becomes one of the best 5on5 defensive defensman in the game as well.

He's a big reason why the Habs have been great in the playoffs the last couple years (7th game OT against the eventual SC champ Bruins last year, and EC finals the year before), and he was a defensive force for Pittsburgh when they won the cup. He's a true leader/warrior to boot, and in the playoffs he's able to clutch and grab in a way that he just isn't able to get away with int he regular season.

If you accept him for what he is, and recognize that it isn't going to be pretty at times over the rest of the the regular season, you'll love him. He's a true playoff performer, and obviously that's why you guys acquired him.
That's exactly what we need. I don't expect another Weber. We just need a big, solid PK playing dman. I have no expectations really, just hope his stick can create some havok.

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02-17-2012, 11:58 PM
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Geoffrion is a nice kid, and a great hometown story, but as an NHL prospect-- he's 24 years old, and struggling to score in the AHL. If he makes the NHL, it will be as a bottom line guy.

I'm more bummed about the pick, honestly.

I think this spells the end of Jack Hillen as a nashville predator(waived tomorrow, i'd bet) and I think Ellis either goes back to Milwaukee or is traded.

Weber Suter
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Josi Bouillon
I doubt Poile is too worried about draft picks. If Weber doesn't re-signn by July 1, there will be plenty of draft picks coming NSH's way this off-season. If Weber does re-sign, well then he won't be needing those draft picks quite as much anyway.

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02-18-2012, 12:02 AM
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I like this trade a lot. Some will say we overpaid but I don't think so. For one Gill was probably the prize rental D-man of the deadline along with Kubina. Naturally your going to have to outbid teams. Two, I haven't said anything here about it but I wouldnt be surprised if Blake never makes it full time to the NHL. He is gritty and has good hands around the net but his awareness on the ice is way below average. I wouldn't call him a stalwart defensively yet either. At best he will be a grinding line center. Still surprised we gave him up but I don't think it will haunt us. I do wish him the best for his career and will be rooting for him.


Gill is a great addition and solidifys the D. Now we just need that forward. Calling Mr. Radulov...........

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02-18-2012, 12:17 AM
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Dammit! He was supposed to go to Vancouver for a bag of potatoes! How dare you outbid us!

Do I really need the sarcasm smiley?

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02-18-2012, 12:47 AM
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Any feedback on Geoffrion?
I think he had 3 goals in 20 games for Milwaukee playing center. He gets knocked down or knocked off the puck a lot. Maybe he needs more upper body strength. I don't remember that from last year. He has good foot speed and passes well. He isn't a physical player in the AHL. I think that a change will improve his game, but I am concerned that playing in Montreal with Geoffrion on his jersey will be pressure filled.

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02-18-2012, 01:31 AM
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I am concerned that playing in Montreal with Geoffrion on his jersey will be pressure filled.
^^^ This

Hate to see Blake go but wish him well in Montreal. I think the Habs fans expect too much already. They're even crowing about Slaney ... a former Leaf minor league player and one who split time between the AHL and ECHL.

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Sad to see Blake go, but he had honestly been passed up by other guys. Hopefully this change will get his game back on track.

Good luck in Montreal Boomer!!



Welcome to Nashville Hal Gill!! I like it. It became more and more evident every game that we need some more size and experience on the bottom pair of D.


It might be an overpayment. But if it was true that we were just one of a number of other teams trying to get him, then we had to pay more. And if someone else got him there would be gnashing of teeth about how we could have matched the offer and more complaining about Poile not doing anything.

It's funny reading the comments in the TSN article. Apparently we are now FOR SURE trading one of Weber/Suter this offseason or maybe at the deadline. And Geoffrion is projected to be a 2nd line player with some size. And we lost the trade because we didn't need defensive help.

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02-18-2012, 05:54 AM
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How is Gill at moving the puck? He has size, and he is a stay-at-home defender, which is what we need, but I'm afraid of putting a guy who can't move the puck on a pair with Klein. We saw how that worked with Hamhuis...
If you are going to rely on Gill moving the puck you will be in A LOT of trouble. What Gill is, is a world class PK guy and a great locker room guy and of course a TON of playoffs expirence.

Good luck to Hal and to Nash. I'll be cheering for you and the Preds once The Habs miss the Playoffs.

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02-18-2012, 09:17 AM
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I say ellis.. keep klein with josi

does anyone think we could get anything for cube or hillen? a late pick or future considerations? ha
Cube is the kind of depth defenseman we need in the 7 spot. He isn't going anywhere. Hillen, if he's on a one way deal, probably gets sent down if we need a roster spot and if he's claimed so be it. If he's on a one way deal and we don't need the roster spot he becomes D man number 8

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I wonder if we could flip Hillen for a pick, then flip Lindback Blum and our first for a scoring forward and a backup goaltender. That is what I would do next.

For the first time in years, I actually think Poile is going to make good on his word and be a real buyer this deadline.

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I wonder if we could flip Hillen for a pick, then flip Lindback Blum and our first for a scoring forward and a backup goaltender. That is what I would do next.

For the first time in years, I actually think Poile is going to make good on his word and be a real buyer this deadline.
Agreed and agreed!

Excited to see what we are able to so from now til next Monday!

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With gill in the fold now, there are so many teams still looking for bottom four defense, and with the pickings getting slim fast, you have to think hillen could bring us something pickwise

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02-18-2012, 11:24 AM
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If you are going to rely on Gill moving the puck you will be in A LOT of trouble. What Gill is, is a world class PK guy and a great locker room guy and of course a TON of playoffs expirence.

Good luck to Hal and to Nash. I'll be cheering for you and the Preds once The Habs miss the Playoffs.
I don't see why we would be. I'm sure we'll be pairing him with a decent enough puck mover.

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I wonder if we could flip Hillen for a pick, then flip Lindback Blum and our first for a scoring forward and a backup goaltender. That is what I would do next.

For the first time in years, I actually think Poile is going to make good on his word and be a real buyer this deadline.
when did poile ever say he was going to be a "real buyer" and then not do so?

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when did poile ever say he was going to be a "real buyer" and then not do so?
The NHL network coverage showed some of the pickups Poile has made running up to the trade deadline over the years. Sullivan, Zholtok, Forsberg, Witt, V2, Grebeshkov, Fisher, Hlavac .... some worked wonderfully, some didn't pan out at all, but it's hard to say he doesn't go out and pick up guys this time of the year.

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The NHL network coverage showed some of the pickups Poile has made running up to the trade deadline over the years. Sullivan, Zholtok, Forsberg, Witt, V2, Grebeshkov, Fisher, Hlavac .... some worked wonderfully, some didn't pan out at all, but it's hard to say he doesn't go out and pick up guys this time of the year.
exactly... Poile almost always adds. how aggressive he is is predicated by our situation.

how people can honestly characterize Poile as a "do nothing" GM is beyond my understanding..

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how people can honestly characterize Poile as a "do nothing" GM is beyond my understanding..
Those are the people that are in love with shiny objects...er.....superstars and think that anything short of a blockbuster trade every year is a waste.

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I don't see why we would be. I'm sure we'll be pairing him with a decent enough puck mover.
That was my point, he will need to be paired with a puck mover. He is more of a "off the glass and out" kind of guy. He isnt a strong first pass guy.

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That was my point, he will need to be paired with a puck mover. He is more of a "off the glass and out" kind of guy. He isnt a strong first pass guy.
Yeah I know my bad. I would assume he's paired with Ryan Ellis. Makes the most sense to me and plus Ellis is a right-handed shooter that can carry the puck.

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when did poile ever say he was going to be a "real buyer" and then not do so?
Its not so much that Poile does nothing as much as he seems to buy low off the bottom of the bucket. Sometimes he makes real finds (Hlavac is a perfect example) but sometimes they don't pan out. My point is "real buyer" being someone who is going to acquire more than one quality piece as well as not look for the bottom tier or mid tier trade guys.

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Poile can only "buy" what the team can afford at the time.

No matter how much I'd like to be a "real buyer" at a Ferrari dealership my limited income and lack or great trade bait keeps me from walking out with one.

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Its not so much that Poile does nothing as much as he seems to buy low off the bottom of the bucket. Sometimes he makes real finds (Hlavac is a perfect example) but sometimes they don't pan out. My point is "real buyer" being someone who is going to acquire more than one quality piece as well as not look for the bottom tier or mid tier trade guys.
poile acquires the pieces that are appropriate to the team that he is acquiring them for.

when he was getting bargain basement guys was when he knew we needed depth to make sure we made the playoffs but it was pointless to go big(Hlavac, Bombradir,Zholtok, Hnidy, Boyd, Grebeshkov)

when we looked like we had a chance to do some damage, he went bigger/bolder more expensive(Witt, Forsberg,Fisher, and now Gill and whoever else he adds)

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For the first time in years, I actually think Poile is going to make good on his word and be a real buyer this deadline.
I think you're confusing what you have wanted Poile to do in the past with what he says he's going to do.

He has said the same thing for many years... he wants to improve the team and he'll make the best deal possible without paying too much.

Most of us have wanted him to be more aggressive at the trade deadline. We may not like it, but he does what he says he's going to do. He is always very careful with how he frames his intentions.

I may get my hand smacked for saying this, but... someone aspiring to a career in broadcast journalism should be careful not to confuse a GM's stated position with with his/her own position.

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Habs fan here. Sad to see Gill leave, great teamate, great PK specialist. Expect the PK (especially 5 on 3 %) to drastically improve. He is extremely good with angles and positioning. He will be too slow to come back for a goal or two but all in all, he's gonna be crazy useful in playoffs. I'm officially cheering for Preds to win it all this year.

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