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02-19-2012, 08:06 PM
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Schenn's hit for next year shouldn't be that high, right?
Depends on what happens in the CBA. If there is a bonus cushion again, then no.


As far as the question in the thread title, I think Holmgren being our GM is a much stronger signal that the Flyers will go nuts this offseason than these trades are. Homer doesn't have it in him to stand pat and let a team grow naturally.

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02-19-2012, 08:26 PM
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Well we certainly won't be building through the draft.
The Flyers still have a pick in every round except the 2nd and 6th.

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02-19-2012, 08:52 PM
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can this roster compete for the cup?


FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Tom Sestito ($0.650m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Harry Zolnierczyk ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Ryan Suter ($6.500m) / Nicklas Grossman ($3.000m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.750m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
SALARY CAP: $67,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,216,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $783,056
They should be able to. So let Jagr and Carle walk, re-sign Grossman and sign Suter?

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02-20-2012, 12:37 AM
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I would like to keep Grossman as well....Kubina is like when we got Malakhov...who incidently performed very well for us...but yeah he's not likely going to be resigned. I'm torn on Jagr. Let's see what he does in the playoffs. He is good for chemistry and I think he can get another 50 pts next year.

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02-20-2012, 12:45 AM
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If I'm Homer I

re-sign Grossman
Let Carle and Kubina walk
Call up MAB
Sign Suter
LTIR Pronger - he is done
as posted. I would also let Jagr walk too...I guess, I like him but the injury bug scares me.


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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.250m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.700m)
/ Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Ryan Suter ($6.000m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.000m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Greg Zanon ($2.000m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $67,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,646,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,353,056


^^
bringing in Suter
bringing in a shot blocking machine Zannon
resigning Grossman
4th liner who is a force in the middle and can PK - Konopka


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02-20-2012, 01:34 PM
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They should be able to. So let Jagr and Carle walk, re-sign Grossman and sign Suter?
yes and waiving Shelley (unless he retires). Maybe some minor moves for some depth

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02-20-2012, 01:36 PM
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^^
bringing in Suter
bringing in a shot blocking machine Zannon
resigning Grossman
4th liner who is a force in the middle and can PK - Konopka
I'm ok with everything except bringing in Zanon. We need to give MAB/Gus a chance to play. It's time this team gave their young defenseman a chance to play

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02-20-2012, 02:07 PM
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I would like to see them re-sign Grossman as he is still young, gives them a big body to clear the crease and he blocks shots. I think he's only making around 1.6M ths season so, he should come at a nice cap hit. Carle can take his turnovers to another team. Kubina I see only as a rental for the playoffs.

I have no doubt that, should Suter not choose to sign with Nashville, the Flyers are going to push hard to get him.

I don't see Bob being on this team next season. I have a feeling they are going to bring Hovinen over and give him a shot.

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02-20-2012, 02:16 PM
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I'm ok with everything except bringing in Zanon. We need to give MAB/Gus a chance to play. It's time this team gave their young defenseman a chance to play
This is true. I agree with this. But if the Flyers MO stands true, it'll be to sign someone else.. haha..

But I would love to see the team pan out like this next year.

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02-20-2012, 02:21 PM
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I think the Preds are preparing themselves for Suter leaving picking up Gil, I think the Flyers are gunning towards him, I personally would like Weber more but it's a win/win situation getting either guy and both of them help this team as soon as they get here

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02-20-2012, 02:24 PM
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^^
bringing in Suter
bringing in a shot blocking machine Zannon
resigning Grossman
4th liner who is a force in the middle and can PK - Konopka

I'd rather have Tuutu or Gaustad but I don't know if they could fit under the cap.

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02-20-2012, 02:28 PM
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The Flyers still have a pick in every round except the 2nd and 6th.
You obviously don't understand how valuable a 2nd and 6th round pick are.

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02-20-2012, 02:29 PM
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I'd rather have Tuutu or Gaustad but I don't know if they could fit under the cap.
Rutuu or TooToo?
Gaustad - 2.3 mil this year.....

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02-20-2012, 02:31 PM
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You obviously don't understand how valuable a 2nd and 6th round pick are.
You know me, and I don't take asset management lightly. I find it easier to take the trading of 2nd round picks when they are for players that will play for us, rather than just paying teams to take contracts so we can have necessary cap space.

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You know me, and I don't take asset management lightly. I find it easier to take the trading of 2nd round picks when they are for players that will play for us, rather than just paying teams to take contracts so we can have necessary cap space.
I'm with you here.

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02-20-2012, 02:53 PM
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You know me, and I don't take asset management lightly. I find it easier to take the trading of 2nd round picks when they are for players that will play for us, rather than just paying teams to take contracts so we can have necessary cap space.
I have no problem with deals made this past week. I was just being sarcastic because some people seem to value picks more than real NHL players.

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02-20-2012, 03:28 PM
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I can see them making a trade at the draft for suters rights.
Suter has already told Nashville he wants to test the FA waters. Trading for his rights would probably just result in another Hamhuis situation. Only it would cost more.

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02-20-2012, 03:47 PM
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Schenn's hit for next year shouldn't be that high, right?
He has bonuses on his contract. My understand is that if at the beginning of the season he has the ability to achieve those bonuses then the bonus $ is added to his salary for his total cap hit.

I forget exactly what they were this year but I believe it was something like a certain amount of minutes played in 82 games?? Which is why we sent him down in the beginning, making it impossible for him to play those 82 games

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02-20-2012, 06:51 PM
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You obviously don't understand how valuable a 2nd and 6th round pick are.
ya, I mean, 2nd rounders only pan out 20% of the time? 6th rounders, 5% of the time?

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This would be something I'd like to see:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Ben Holmstrom ($0.850m) / Adam Hall ($0.700m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Ryan Suter ($6.200m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.000m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($1.000m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,609,444; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,690,556

The lines 3 and 4 are still offensive (3 more than 4) but can shutdown other lines and very good defensively. Overall very good D in front of the goalies and still 1.6M left in a 22 man roster. Suter at 6.2M for 7 to 8 years.

As said on the other thread about Kubina looking to possibly re-sign, if he does, for cheaper and that probably means we won't get Suter. But it might mean that we might spend a bit more somewhere else... or just keep the money for when we need it.

*In bold are signings/re-signings.


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02-20-2012, 07:22 PM
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ya, I mean, 2nd rounders only pan out 20% of the time? 6th rounders, 5% of the time?
Unless you're Detroit.

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can this roster compete for the cup?


FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($3.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Tom Sestito ($0.650m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)
Harry Zolnierczyk ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Ryan Suter ($6.500m) / Nicklas Grossman ($3.000m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($0.750m)
Andreas Lilja ($0.737m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
SALARY CAP: $67,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,216,944; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $783,056
I say yeah, if all the young guys can build off of this season? Why the hell not?

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The question is, do you want Suter at a higher cap for less length or longer contract at a slightly less pay check?

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Rutuu or TooToo?
Gaustad - 2.3 mil this year.....
O wow haha Ruutu. That's who I meant. Haha Tuutu...

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This would be something I'd like to see:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Ben Holmstrom ($0.850m) / Adam Hall ($0.700m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Ryan Suter ($6.200m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossman ($2.000m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Marc-Andre Bourdon ($1.000m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,609,444; BONUSES: $3,555,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,690,556

The lines 3 and 4 are still offensive (3 more than 4) but can shutdown other lines and very good defensively. Overall very good D in front of the goalies and still 1.6M left in a 22 man roster. Suter at 6.2M for 7 to 8 years.

As said on the other thread about Kubina looking to possibly re-sign, if he does, for cheaper and that probably means we won't get Suter. But it might mean that we might spend a bit more somewhere else... or just keep the money for when we need it.

*In bold are signings/re-signings.
Where's Lilja? He'd have to be in over Gus (which would actually save almost 200k).

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