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His name has been brought up on the Isles board and that's Jonathon Blum from Nashville. He has yet to establish himself at the NHL level and he may have been surpassed by Ellis and Josi in their organization. Nashville does have the defensive depth to deal someone like him and Parenteau can help them offensively.
Maybe there is a match in a Parenteau for Blum centered swap?
Parenteau is not anything close to a point per game player over his career, and tons of guys have had single season monster years riding shotgun with elite, elite centers only to evaporate after a change of scenery.
So, yeah, until he proves otherwise, he's a depth forward.
Yeahh and until a few seasons ago Tim Thomas was a goalie who had to play in Europe and Barly made it to the NHL..... Matt Moulson was an AHL player....
i, for one, hope snow turns down such an offer. we shall see what he is made of. if parenteau is moved for spare parts as you suggest, then he will have been made into a rival gm's female dog.
A 2nd+ is "spare parts"?
If he commands this much, the destination team views him as a legit NHLer -- with or without Tavares. Let's see what happens...
Also, prices now are not indicative of prices at the deadline. GMs pay a premium now to get "their guy" before the auction at the deadline. That's why teams like TBay, MTL, and DAL move their assets: They know they are unlikely to get better return at the deadline, or don't want to chance that they get less.
A 2nd+ would be very good value for a player like Parenteau.
I'm definitely ignorant on all things Jonathon Blum, I just think he fits the profile of what Snow should go after. No one is going to give up a legit young top-4 guy in the NHL today. Blum is unproven, but has definite upside from the little I remember from him - the WJC in 2009(?) and him ripping it up in Juniors after being drafted. I think Nashville is one of the few teams that could lose a Blum and not really blink when they have other young defenseman that are even younger and in the NHL already.
if he was trending upwards, the isles could make this move. i wonder though, is he trending in the opposite direction?
any preds fans who can explain why josi and ellis are now ahead of him?
If he commands this much, the destination team views him as a legit NHLer -- with or without Tavares. Let's see what happens...
Also, prices now are not indicative of prices at the deadline. GMs pay a premium now to get "their guy" before the auction at the deadline. That's why teams like TBay, MTL, and DAL move their assets: They know they are unlikely to get better return at the deadline, or don't want to chance that they get less.
A 2nd+ would be very good value for a player like Parenteau.
yes, i consider a second round draft pick to be a spare part.
parenteau has greater value to the team as it tries to win some games down the stretch than a second round pick does, imho.
Actually I do watch the Islanders. The reason I watch them is because Tavares is quickly becoming one of the most-effective players in the league.
Parenteau has not been playing with Tavares...lately. But he was on a line with him for almost half the year. Checking hockey-reference just now, Tavares has factored in on a whopping 50% of Parenteau's production, which supports the idea that a lot of this year that he's having is due to runoff from things Tavares is doing.
But you don't have to take my word for it. Just wait a few weeks until he's traded for a 2nd round pick and a somewhat boring collection of spare parts or minor leaguers. Because that's what guys who are perceived by buyers as "depth forwards" get traded for.
By that logic Tim Thomas is an AHL goalie in the NHL that has a great defense.... how come he couldnt make it to the NHL till he was 30. Flawed logic is flawed.
Great response. Like to here his comeback on this one.
yes, i consider a second round draft pick to be a spare part.
parenteau has greater value to the team as it tries to win some games down the stretch than a second round pick does, imho.
Then he should be re-signed.
The value issue only comes up if he is destined to be traded. If he is, then a 2nd+ is great value for a player that is no longer in NYI's future plans.
So what has greater value to the team as it tries to win down the stretch, a 1st or PAP?
Great response. Like to here his comeback on this one.
I'll field this one. None of those guys were to be traded as purely rentals. Parenteau gets well deserved credit for what he has done on the Island but he is far from a reliable option when all you care about is the next few months. He is a large risk to not translate his production over the short term with a new team and that hurts his value.
The thread is about what he will fetch as a return, not whether or not he's good. Maybe Parenteau's Gretzky reborn and nobody but two Islanders fans can see it. It wouldn't matter in this discussion.
His career production, contract status and the time of year dictates the return will be a 2nd round pick and a couple of boring complementary pieces.
I suppose Snow could balk at the idea a guy he doesn't think important enough to retain is only worth a 2nd and lose him for nothing in free agency. Is that a better return?
I've been a HUGE fan of PA since he was Hawks' property and would give a large amount to get him back. I suspect I'm the only one that thinks this way, though.
The thread is about what he will fetch as a return, not whether or not he's good. Maybe Parenteau's Gretzky reborn and nobody but two Islanders fans can see it. It wouldn't matter in this discussion.
His career production, contract status and the time of year dictates the return will be a 2nd round pick and a couple of boring complementary pieces.
I suppose Snow could balk at the idea a guy he doesn't think important enough to retain is only worth a 2nd and lose him for nothing in free agency. Is that a better return?
The thread is about what he will fetch as a return, not whether or not he's good. Maybe Parenteau's Gretzky reborn and nobody but two Islanders fans can see it. It wouldn't matter in this discussion.
His career production, contract status and the time of year dictates the return will be a 2nd round pick and a couple of boring complementary pieces.
I suppose Snow could balk at the idea a guy he doesn't think important enough to retain is only worth a 2nd and lose him for nothing in free agency. Is that a better return?
As the starter of this thread I approve the usage of statistics to try and gauge value
Which false comment is that? That Tavares has factored in on half Parenteau's production? He has.
That this will give pause to buyers wondering if this career minor-leaguer who was never supposed to amount to anything might just be riding an elite player's coat-tails? It will.
Whether Parenteau is, in actuality, good enough to be a point-per-game player on Calgary has nothing--nothing to do with the return he will get. Return is based on market and perception.
Forward who might be able to provide depth scoring? 2nd rounder and change.
isles fans can't have it both ways. If PAP is a 70pt player, then is anyone comfortable paying him $30MM over 6 years, like James Neal?
If not, then understand that there's more to evaluating a player than stats.
PAP is a good player, flawed, good scorer, limited in other areas, with zero playoff experience. He's ONLY shown production in the NHL next to Tavares, and has shown production without JT over 20 games. That's hardly a large sample size, no?
Question for Isles fans: how much would you pay PAP over a 5 year deal, which he seeks? Is that the same price you'd pay for a 70pt scorer that you'd compare him to?
PAP is very much what Cliff Ronning used to be, but not as good, without the experience. He's a good player.
It's so annoying to see any P.A thread become less about what he brings, his skillset and his impact and more about who he plays with.
I can't agree more. It's ridiculous that every time he's brought up, it has to be mentioned that he played with Tavares. He's been awesome without him.
PAP is very much what Cliff Ronning used to be, but not as good, without the experience. He's a good player.
good comparison; that's probably what he could become
the asking price for a top 4 young defenceman is high; however Mcginn-Moore-PA would be a pretty killer 3rd line. I would think pretty hard about something like Demers + 5th for Paranteau +2nd, but other Sharks fans are gonna say no way; and now that the blueline is banged up it makes even less sense; maybe if one of isles ufa defencemen is coming back too
The tune of Islanders fans can change so, so fast on this guy.
When it's something negative about Tavares, you'll see dozens of Islanders fans saying "look what he has done to Parenteau, he's a 4th line scrub producing at a PPG clip!". Sometimes it's the same for Moulson.
But when it's about trading Parenteau, now he's a legit top 6 winger?
I think most GMs in the NHL are smart enough to avoid giving important assets for a player like him, whose still unproven. I really doubt he can maintain this level of play for a long time, and as some posters have said earlier, he may very well become Ville Leino 2.0 for whichever team decide to give him a lucrative contract this summer.
if he was trending upwards, the isles could make this move. i wonder though, is he trending in the opposite direction?
any preds fans who can explain why josi and ellis are now ahead of him?
Blum's problem was that he was lacking the confidence he had last year, and from what I've heard from Milwaukee he isn't trying his hardest in the AHL. He was very solid and positionally sound last year, and very rarely made mistakes, but this year he has thought too long over the simplest decisions and was just outplayed by Ellis and Josi.
Josi has been considered atleast on par with Blum, if not for his horribly timed injuries. He's missed the WJCs, Olympics and training camp(s) with injuries if I'm not mistaken.
Ellis has incredible hockey sense, and is probably the most decorated prospect we've ever had. He's got all the makings of an elite defender, except most critics will say he's two inches too short, which is why he fell to 11th in the draft.
Blum has shown that he can be a really solid defender, he just needs to get experience and work harder, from what I'm hearing.
Last edited by Soundgarden: 02-19-2012 at 09:06 PM.
