Guys enough with being hardon guys like Bourque and PLekanec...
This two need a scorer on the line period!
Neither one of them are go to guys and never will be. They's great complimentary scoring type guys and would both score 20 - 25 if the had a Pacioretty or Cole with them.
PLaying Darche on that line is killing them!
So much fail! They've played 5 games as a line. Plekanec has 4 pts, Darche has 4 pts, Bourque has 1 pt.
You're mixing up things buddy. Pleky and Bourque are not unproductive because of Darche. They are given defensive first duties. This is Plekanec's speciality, and also Darche's speciality. If you're trying to find the "alien" on that line, it's Bourque, not Darche.
But then, you could ask for PG to get another shut down center, so that Plekanec could be used in more offensive situations. Now, that would make sense.
Originally Posted by Glorieu
Listen, I've been watching hockey before many of you were thought of. I'm not pretending to be stupid enough to blame this loss on Price. This game aside, I do however believe he is overated. He is technically very sound and looks very good on the ice, but he just hasn't warranted his reputation and been the shut down goalie he needs to be on a consistent basis. Also his mental toughness is still very suspect. I agree with many of you regulars on here as to what the biggest problems with the team are (and I know goaltending isn't one of them), but watching Brodeur tonight, it struck me that Price is not even in the same category
My god, I'm glad to see this post, iv'e talked at great lenght about price's mental toughness, someone agree's.
Price as all the tools to be great except the mental toughness, it's the reason why
he doesn't win the big games. Sure hope St patrick can change all that next year. He's
price's only chance in montreal. Nobody else seems to be picking up on it.
He IS a better overall player. He's better in his own zone in every facet, he's far better along the boards, and uses his size better (this one's obvious). He's a superior puck carrier and has a better shot.
I'd like to see how he would do playing with Patches and Cole all year. DD may be better on the score sheet, but I'd move DD before I'd move Eller...without question.
Guess what? I have stats!
Before tonight's game, DD scored 15pts in 22 games without playing with Pacioretty and Cole. On pace for a 56 pts season.
With them, he scored 27 pts in 36 games, on pace for a 62 pts season.
So yeah, they might have helped him, but really not that much.
Now, if you look at Pacioretty. He went from a 47 pts season (based on average pts/g) in 19 games without DD and Cole to a 75 pts season (still based on pst/game over a full season). 33 pts in 36 games with DD and Cole, 11 pts in 19 games with them.
Now Cole. 31 pts in 36 games with DD and Pax. 13 pts in 22 games without both of them. Went from a 48 pts season pace to a 71 pts season pace.
Keep watching. it will get worse. Price can't stop a beach ball in a close game, and the forwards can't score.
Perhaps the worst Hab team that I have seen in my 54 years of watching.
Keep watching. it will get worse. Price can't stop a beach ball in a close game, and the forwards can't score.
Perhaps the worst Hab team that I have seen in my 54 years of watching.
You exaggerate, the team needs better D's and better coaching but is certainly not as as bad as the 2001 edition for example.
One thing is sure though, this is the most frustrating season I have ever watched especially because of all the poor performance at home in important games.
People say many stupid things, to take those seriously would harmful to your mental health. Price is NOT and never will be a top 5 goalie of all times like Brodeur, but before we decide that he`s a failure, let him fail behind a decent team, than we`ll know if he`s as bad as many say.
The problem comes when many on these boards make exaggerated claims such as "if Price wasn't there we'd be last, bla bla bla" , or when people wouldn't even think twice about signing him to a completely ridiculous and insane contract of 50M for 7 years as if he were a proven top 5 goalie. The fact of the matter is that Price has proven very little. So far ? One top 5 goalie season, one. And in the playoffs it's actually been worse. And people are ready to hand over the keys to the city ? I say wait.
Furthermore, goalies in this league are getting better and better. There's only 30 number one spots. There are a lot of amazing goalies out there for these 30 spots and the difference between the 5th one and the 20th one is not that big. They can even swap rankings on any given season depending on luck and how good the teams in front of them are.
Price is indeed quite overrated. He's not the invaluable cornerstone people make him out to be. Reminds me a lot of when everyone was gaga over Theodore for a good 2-3 years after his Hart/Vezina season despite the fact Theodore wasn't doing anything special (he actually sucked most of the time). The funny part is that Theodore had actually done something to warrant that much hype (multiple trophies) whereas Price hasn't. The accomplishments haven't been there.
When I hear people say we don't need to rebuild because we already have a superstar franchise player in Price I always raise an eyebrow because he isn't there yet and goalies are really fickle. It's incredibly hard to say if he ever will be. Thing is, for a goalie to have as big of an impact on his team as a true franchise dman or forward he has to be pretty special. The #6 best goalie in the NHL doesn't have the same impact that Weber, Malkin, Datsyuk, etc have on a team. To say we're fine because we have a franchise player in Price is a smoke screen really. For that to be true Price would have to be better than he is and start shutting the door when he's given leads. No I'm not saying it's his fault, but MVP franchise players carry the team on their back, they don't need help all the time. Price was doing it last season. Rarely allowed softies and he'd shut the door down when given leads. But he's not doing it this season. He's not as good as he was last season, no one will make me believe that (even when accounting for the team's play in front of him). And last season, Price didn't even get any trophies, wasn't even nominated for one which goes to show you how good the goalies in this league are. You have to be head and shoulders above the rest to make a huge impact on your team and be a franchise player. I just don't see Price in that light at all, not yet anyway.
Anyway, can't wait for parts of my post to be cherry picked and for Price fans to see red and misunderstand the whole post.
Originally Posted by Glorieu
Listen, I've been watching hockey before many of you were thought of. I'm not pretending to be stupid enough to blame this loss on Price. This game aside, I do however believe he is overated. He is technically very sound and looks very good on the ice, but he just hasn't warranted his reputation and been the shut down goalie he needs to be on a consistent basis. Also his mental toughness is still very suspect. I agree with many of you regulars on here as to what the biggest problems with the team are (and I know goaltending isn't one of them), but watching Brodeur tonight, it struck me that Price is not even in the same category
My god, I'm glad to see this post, iv'e talked at great lenght about price's mental toughness, someone agree's.
Price as all the tools to be great except the mental toughness, it's the reason why
he doesn't win the big games. Sure hope St patrick can change all that next year. He's
price's only chance in montreal. Nobody else seems to be picking up on it.
Nobody else is picking up on it because people who just like to hate like yourself just look for reasons to ***** and moan. Every post I see from you is negative therefore you have zero credit and opinion here
Keep watching. it will get worse. Price can't stop a beach ball in a close game, and the forwards can't score.
Perhaps the worst Hab team that I have seen in my 54 years of watching.
Price wouldn't have a 0.916 save % if he couldn't stop a beach ball and our offense wouldn't be 15th in the league if we couldn't score.
You don't mention the REAL PROBLEM... the defense.
He IS a better overall player. He's better in his own zone in every facet, he's far better along the boards, and uses his size better (this one's obvious). He's a superior puck carrier and has a better shot.
I'd like to see how he would do playing with Patches and Cole all year. DD may be better on the score sheet, but I'd move DD before I'd move Eller...without question.
Eller doesn't have the vision or the decision-making acumen of DD. Watch Eller and watch DD closely. Who creates space in the offensive zone? Who can make the correct split second decision on passing? When DD is a little more experienced, he'll use his shot to better advantage and create yet more space in the offensive zone-and generate even better passing opportunities-than he already does.
DD is also not the defensive liability many make him out to be. In his last 24 games he's been on the ice for 24 ES goals for and 8 ES goals against. Tonight, I saw Parise, Kovalchuk and Elias on the ice plenty of times against the DD line. They hardly dominated against the DD line.
Eller is most likely going to be a solid 2 way, defensive-oriented center-not an offensive powerhouse. He's scored 41 points in 140 career games. this year he has 22 in 57 (17 in 56 if you toss out the 5 point (4g1a game). He's a .4 PPG scorer this season even with that career night (.3 PPG without it) and based on what I see with him, 60 points in a season would probably be an overly optimistic projection for him. That would almost be double his PPG average of this season.
If the Habs do decide that this season is done and move some players for picks/prospects, I'd love to see Eller get paired with at least one of the two of Patches or Coles. It would be good for his development and would certainly increase his production somewhat. I also can't fathom why he hasn't gotten PP time over Gomez. That's one of the great mysteries of the RC world to me.
Keep bad mouthing and demeaning DD though if it makes you happy. BTW, DD has 23 points in his last 23 games. That's more than Eller has all season
Eller doesn't have the vision or the decision-making acumen of DD. Watch Eller and watch DD closely. Who creates space in the offensive zone? Who can make the correct split second decision on passing? When DD is a little more experienced, he'll use his shot to better advantage and create yet more space in the offensive zone-and generate even better passing opportunities-than he already does.
DD is also not the defensive liability many make him out to be. In his last 24 games he's been on the ice for 24 ES goals for and 8 ES goals against. Tonight, I saw Parise, Kovalchuk and Elias on the ice plenty of times against the DD line. They hardly dominated against the DD line.
Eller is most likely going to be a solid 2 way, defensive-oriented center-not an offensive powerhouse. He's scored 41 points in 140 career games. this year he has 22 in 57 (17 in 56 if you toss out the 5 point (4g1a game). He's a .4PPG scorer even with that career night and based on what I see with him, 60 points in a season would probably be an overly optimistic projection for him.
If the Habs do decide that this season is done and move some players for picks/prospects, I'd love to see Eller get paired with at least one of the two of Patches or Coles. It would be good for his development and would certainly increase his production somewhat. I also can't fathom why he hasn't gotten PP time over Gomez. That's one of the great mysteries of the RC world to me.
Keep bad mouthing and demeaning DD though if it makes you happy. BTW, DD has 23 points in his last 23 games. That's more than Eller has all season
And yet, DD was tied up all night today by elders like Zubrus, Poni and Clarkson.....
Nobody else is picking up on it because people who just like to hate like yourself just look for reasons to ***** and moan. Every post I see from you is negative therefore you have zero credit and opinion here
every board I go to, you are there posting about hate.....you must be a tenderfoot....
That was a bad game, but mostly because of how solid a team New Jersey is this year. We can't let this get us down. We got a big game tuesday and it's at home again. Let's go out and win that one!!
He didn't show much the first period, but who did? He was also involved in the only goal of the game for the Habs-in case you didn't notice
But he did not generate anything....he was literately tied up by big body guys.....this is probably what we will get to see more and more now that teams are focusing on DD. Since DD is not a fast skater, most big body guys can be used to tie him up....as NJ did today...
and the leafs have to play the devils and the sharks this week, followed by the caps, although we have to play the caps as well but still!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:handc lap:
Eller doesn't have the vision or the decision-making acumen of DD. Watch Eller and watch DD closely. Who creates space in the offensive zone? Who can make the correct split second decision on passing? When DD is a little more experienced, he'll use his shot to better advantage and create yet more space in the offensive zone-and generate even better passing opportunities-than he already does.
DD is also not the defensive liability many make him out to be. In his last 24 games he's been on the ice for 24 ES goals for and 8 ES goals against. Tonight, I saw Parise, Kovalchuk and Elias on the ice plenty of times against the DD line. They hardly dominated against the DD line.
Eller is most likely going to be a solid 2 way, defensive-oriented center-not an offensive powerhouse. He's scored 41 points in 140 career games. this year he has 22 in 57 (17 in 56 if you toss out the 5 point (4g1a game). He's a .4 PPG scorer this season even with that career night (.3 PPG without it) and based on what I see with him, 60 points in a season would probably be an overly optimistic projection for him. That would almost be double his PPG average of this season.
If the Habs do decide that this season is done and move some players for picks/prospects, I'd love to see Eller get paired with at least one of the two of Patches or Coles. It would be good for his development and would certainly increase his production somewhat. I also can't fathom why he hasn't gotten PP time over Gomez. That's one of the great mysteries of the RC world to me.
Keep bad mouthing and demeaning DD though if it makes you happy. BTW, DD has 23 points in his last 23 games. That's more than Eller has all season
How did I demean DD? Take off the homer glasses and think objectively for one second. You really think having DD as the #1 center is sustainable?
DD will always have to be matched with big body wingers and will have to rely on his wingers to bring the puck up ice. Eller does not require any of that. Does DD have better vision? Yes. But I'd much rather invest in Eller than DD. I'd love to see what Eller would look like with Patches and Cole on his wings.
Again, why are you comparing DD's stats with Eller's? They play different roles, have different ice time and different linemates.
I could understand if Eller was given the same linemates, PP time and 5 on 5 time, same role and such...but this is not true. So I don't get the stat comparisons.
But he did not generate anything....he was literately tied up by big body guys.....this is probably what we will get to see more and more now that teams are focusing on DD. Since DD is not a fast skater, most big body guys can be used to tie him up....as NJ did today...
****ing seriously?
The guy set up our only goal today. He did it by out-muscling his check to get the puck to Patches.
Moreover, people have been focusing on DD since he was paired with Cole and DD. Do you think this was some well kept secret over the past 30 games?
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Fair enough. I agree that with a few exeptions we have a less than stellar defense. Listen I'd love to see Price realize his full potential with a better calibre defensive corps but I'm entitled to think that at least thus far in his career, he is overated! I'm talking about his body of work thus far, regular season and playoffs (remember the meltdown against the Flyers? Getting schooled by Thomas last year etc) This is my last comment on this. It will take an excellent season or two and some post season heroics (something Brodeur and other high calibre goalies have already done) for me to change my mind. As a fan I hope he does.
Oh, it's your last comment on this? Thank God.
As for 'getting schooled by Thomas last year'. Exactly what series were you watching? Price was awesome.
Some of you people....
Montreal has absolutely no d-men capable of clearing the front of the net, not one. It's disgusting how many deflections and screened shots end up in the back of the net because of it.
every board I go to, you are there posting about hate.....you must be a tenderfoot....
no that was only to you because you had flawed views on DD. Basically I have a positive outlook on DD and the habs while you were discrediting everything he has done for this team. If I had a bad attitude I would have agreed with you. And good job sticking up for young gun that also proves that your negative.
But he did not generate anything....he was literately tied up by big body guys.....this is probably what we will get to see more and more now that teams are focusing on DD. Since DD is not a fast skater, most big body guys can be used to tie him up....as NJ did today...
lol so what if hes not a fast skater?. He is by far our smartest player and had amazing vision. He should be a 2nd line center yes but what he's doing this yr is incredible and I see no reason why he won't keep improving. I bet your one of those people who also think Roy would be a good coach for us too right?..theres a reason why no other team has showed interest in him. Bruce Boudreau 2.0
Listen, I've been watching hockey before many of you were thought of. I'm not pretending to be stupid enough to blame this loss on Price. This game aside, I do however believe he is overated. He is technically very sound and looks very good on the ice, but he just hasn't warranted his reputation and been the shut down goalie he needs to be on a consistent basis. Also his mental toughness is still very suspect. I agree with many of you regulars on here as to what the biggest problems with the team are (and I know goaltending isn't one of them), but watching Brodeur tonight, it struck me that Price is not even in the same category!
Since Carey Price entered the NHL in 2007
Price Brodeur
GP SV% GAA GP SV% GAA
41 .920 2.56 77 .920 2.17
52 .905 2.83 31 .916 2.41
41 .912 2.77 77 .916 2.24
72 .923 2.35 56 .903 2.45
52 .916 2.38 39 .904 2.53
Never thought I'd see the Habs so terrible at home..
Price wouldn't have a 0.916 save % if he couldn't stop a beach ball and our offense wouldn't be 15th in the league if we couldn't score.
