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02-19-2012, 01:34 PM
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Hamonic for Edler or Kesler???

Hahahaha

My counter offer
Tanev for Tavares and Okposo

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02-19-2012, 01:47 PM
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Nobody understands yours either.
Explain what you mean, because I asked what it would take to get Hamonic? Or because I don't get how an unproven player is worthy of a proven player

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I wouldn't consider Hamonic a prospect. At this point in time the only way I trade Hamonic is if he is packaged for a better defenseman(say Nashville wants to trade Weber and the Islanders could sign Weber to a long term deal I would thing of unloading Hamonic+ for him)
Weber is a proven top 3 defenseman in the NHL... the + would have to be pretty heft, no?

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02-19-2012, 01:47 PM
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Ok, can understand that Hamonic is basically untouchable but I don't get why people say a prospect is worth a proven player... does that make sense?

A prospect that has potential to be a proven player, is worth someone who is already proven (ie. Kesler, Edler, etc)

I guess I don't understand the thought process.
He's 22 yrs old, playing over 22 mins a game in the top 4.He's already shown he can play quality,top pairing minutes.His +4 is 2nd best on the team to Moulson's +5 and easily the best among d-men.Streit's something like -20

Isles think he's developing into a stud.

No reason to trade him.Isles can only hope De Haan can come close to having such a postitive impact.

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02-19-2012, 01:51 PM
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Hamonic for Edler or Kesler???

Hahahaha

My counter offer
Tanev for Tavares and Okposo
Oh is this where we reach the point where some fans get pissy?

Start to verbally tear down the player they want?
Don't waste your time.


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02-19-2012, 01:54 PM
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Hamonic is exactly the opposite of what the Canucks need. He's an up and coming D man who's high trade value is based on his potential, not his current ability.

Would much rather have Streit.

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02-19-2012, 01:56 PM
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I can see the Islanders fans wanting a massive overpayment for Hamonic. It's no different than Canucks fans viewed Edler when he was in his second and third season. I do agree with the NY fans that it would take a massive overpayment ie. Edler or Kesler. To get him

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02-19-2012, 01:57 PM
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Hamonic is exactly the opposite of what the Canucks need. He's an up and coming D man who's high trade value is based on his potential, not his current ability.

Would much rather have Streit.
Don't think we could get Streit unless NYI were willing to accept a package of picks/prospects and take Ballard (just for salary purposes).

The best we could probably do would be Ballard + 1rst rounder + Schroeder or Cannauton for Streit.

Don't think Isles fans will approve

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02-19-2012, 01:58 PM
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He's 22 yrs old, playing over 22 mins a game in the top 4.He's already shown he can play quality,top pairing minutes.His +4 is 2nd best on the team to Moulson's +5 and easily the best among d-men.Streit's something like -20

Isles think he's developing into a stud.

No reason to trade him.Isles can only hope De Haan can come close to having such a postitive impact.
I dont think there are many doubting his potential. But again I'm just pointing out the fact fans seem to overvalue their prospects. That's like me saying Schneider is worth a Toews, etc.

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02-19-2012, 02:06 PM
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Don't think we could get Streit unless NYI were willing to accept a package of picks/prospects and take Ballard (just for salary purposes).

The best we could probably do would be Ballard + 1rst rounder + Schroeder or Cannauton for Streit.

Don't think Isles fans will approve
Doesn't really matter whether NYI fans would approve such a trade.Snow would likely pass after seeing how bad the market is for quality,top 4 d-men.

Ballard is a big. downgrade from Streit.Isles have a glut of unproven forward prospects,so getting another is not a big deal.Neither is a late 1st.

Isles badly needed Streit to continue to come around,return to the high level they've grown uesd to getting from him.Isles have several blueline prospects knocking on the doorat Bridgeport and Streit will be asked to mentor De Haan,Donovn and Ness.

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02-19-2012, 02:09 PM
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I dont think there are many doubting his potential. But again I'm just pointing out the fact fans seem to overvalue their prospects. That's like me saying Schneider is worth a Toews, etc.
I guess it is what you consider a prospect. Hamonic is playing top 4 minutes and proving to be one of the islanders best Dmen. A prospect to me is a player with less than a year of NHL experience or none at all. I think Hamonic has proven he can play in the NHL.

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02-19-2012, 02:13 PM
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I guess it is what you consider a prospect. Hamonic is playing top 4 minutes and proving to be one of the islanders best Dmen. A prospect to me is a player with less than a year of NHL experience or none at all. I think Hamonic has proven he can play in the NHL.
I've always deemed it to be if they are on a ELC then they're a prospect IMO

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I dont think there are many doubting his potential. But again I'm just pointing out the fact fans seem to overvalue their prospects. That's like me saying Schneider is worth a Toews, etc.
Hamonic is not some prospect in juniors or the AHL ,that the isles are hoping makes it to the nhl and lives up to his potential.

He is playing quality minutes in the nhl for the isles,often their best d-man at only 22 yr old.
Isles and their fans are not having doubts that Hamonic is not living up to the high expectations coaches and hockey personel like P.. McGuire have placed on him.

Isles have a glut of promising,but unproven prospects.Zero reason to trade a 22 yr old stud for picks/prospects or less talented players.

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02-19-2012, 02:15 PM
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Weber is a proven top 3 defenseman in the NHL... the + would have to be pretty heft, no?
My basic point was only way the Islanders trade Hamonic is if they are trading him as part of a package for a better player. But yeah the + would have to be fairly big in the case of Weber

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02-19-2012, 03:53 PM
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Hamonic for Edler or Kesler???

Hahahaha

My counter offer
Tanev for Tavares and Okposo
Holy crap. Hamonic has been a top-2 defeneman on his team for a year and a half. Tanev has managed not to look too bad for a couple of games in a number 6 role. Not to mention that Tavares >>> Edler or Kesler.

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NYI needs D prospects.
umm, what?

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02-20-2012, 12:34 AM
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Ok, can understand that Hamonic is basically untouchable but I don't get why people say a prospect is worth a proven player... does that make sense?

A prospect that has potential to be a proven player, is worth someone who is already proven (ie. Kesler, Edler, etc)

I guess I don't understand the thought process.
It's called an over-payment... it's going to happen in a case like this where the Isles are dealing a promising player that helps fill a position of weakness.

Nobody would expect the Canucks to consider trading Kesler or Edler for Hamonic, but it would take a similar quality of player/package to get the Isles to trade Hamonic.

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02-20-2012, 01:07 AM
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Ok, can understand that Hamonic is basically untouchable but I don't get why people say a prospect is worth a proven player... does that make sense?

A prospect that has potential to be a proven player, is worth someone who is already proven (ie. Kesler, Edler, etc)

I guess I don't understand the thought process.
Because Hamonic has been playing around the level of a top pairing dman for the past hundred or so games?

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02-20-2012, 06:52 AM
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Hamonic for Edler or Kesler???

Hahahaha

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Tanev for Tavares and Okposo
Hamonic is miles ahead of Tanev right now. You either sink or swim if your a young Isles D prospect.

Hamonic is not being traded unless he's part of a package for an upgrade.

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02-20-2012, 06:56 AM
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Overpayment only.

This. Too much value to the Isles to be in legit trade talks.

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Hamonic is exactly the opposite of what the Canucks need. He's an up and coming D man who's high trade value is based on his potential, not his current ability.

Would much rather have Streit.


LOL. Go fish.

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Holy crap. Hamonic has been a top-2 defeneman on his team for a year and a half. Tanev has managed not to look too bad for a couple of games in a number 6 role. Not to mention that Tavares >>> Edler or Kesler.
Agreed with your statement except the ridiculous bolded sentence.

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Agreed with your statement except the ridiculous bolded sentence.
Not as ridiculous as you think. Tavares>Edler is debatable based on a teams need for defence or offence, but Tavares>Kesler. In his first 3 seasons in the NHL Tavares has put up more than 50 pts/season and has been a near PPG pace. I wasn't even a Tavares fan before he was drafted but he is well ahead of Kesler's development in his first 3 seasons. Tavares has more points this year than Kesler and is 6 years younger as well. Going forward I believe the majority of teams would prefer Tavares over Kesler.

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I feel bad for making that Tanev for Tavares and Okposo

I mustve been really pissed to troll the Isles

No way Isles trade Hamonic

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