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02-20-2012, 09:58 AM
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If we sign Parise the cap hit HAS TO be BELOW 7 million.
Don't see that happening, considering Parise has an additional three prime years when compared to Richards.

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i have a bad feeling that he won't be doing that
Fear not. I highly doubt he will be traded let alone to NY.

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The problem is he'd come with a pricetag of assets that rivals all previous trades/acquisitions combined. The microscope on him would be absurd. 30 or even 40 goals wouldnt appease some of the neanderthals in the 400's - who were already making their feelings known last night.

Thinking in a vacuum about Nash being on this team is intriguing. Reality should quickly set in when you consider the entire situation. Just not worth it.
It isn't worth it at all. You didn't like the "We don't want you" chant?

I thought it was quite fitting. How come there isn't a poll up? I'm curious to see how many here want him vs. not.

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The reason I pointed out the players I did was to illustrate that fans often think players will come here and play leaps bounds better than on their previous clubs and that its never been true.

Players come here and play to their career averages or slightly below. That means nash would continue to be a very good player who nets ~30 goals a season. It also means that he will NOT turn into an elite superstar scoring an extra 15-20 goals every year even though he broke 40 once on a crappy team.
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Someone earlier on said that they wouldn't pay Nash 7.8m in free agency, so why would you give assets on top of that. I agree with this logic entirely. Not only are you taking on a horrible contract, but you are giving up assets too? Hell no.

If anything, they'd have to give us assets to take on such a bad contract. To me, at 7.8m cap hit Nash has negative value. To those of you who are starstruck, this might be a difficult concept, but his cap hit is so high that he's being paid way above his production...not just this year but for his career.

Those of you advocated acquiring him are looking at it from the vacuum of he's the best available guy right now. But nobody has a gun to our heads forcing us to make a move. We are 1st in the east by 9 pts, and only 3 pts behind Det for the President's trophy. And that's without Dubi producing, without BR producing for a huge stretch, and not counting Kreider's impact next year hopefully, or other improvements we can make with 6-8m in cap space this summer. I would love a cup this year, but we are positioned very well for now and the future. Do you guys really want to go for it this year while screwing ourselves the next few years into the future? Especially when we don't have to?

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Isn't this what we thought when we got Gaborik? Was it not reiterated when we signed Richards? Why would it be different now?
And what did Gaborik do? He scored 45 goals his 1st year, was injured his 2nd, and the 3rd isn't over yet.

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Kings fan just visiting and didn't want to go through all the Nash threads.

I was curious as to NYs interest in adding Nash. Can you guys give me the pros of adding him when your team looks to be doing so well. It seems like NY can put together the best package. Would Nash be that piece to put you over the top? Is he worth what Columbus is asking for? Just looking for some reasoning behind the possible move as LA seems more cut and dry with their desire and needs. Thx in advance for any insight.

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Theres nothing funny about it, theres no reason for it. What has Nash done to deserve that? It gives NY a bad rep. What kind of message does that send to future players who may want to come to NY? I know someone stupid will give us that bs excuse about how were so passionate....ok? so that means we can be stupid too? Nash has a list of just 5 teams and the Rangers are on it. You'd think fans could appreciate that even if we cant afford him or decide not to acquire him. Contract aside, Nash is some player. He is really the only I noticed on a night where his team was dominated.
As one of the people that participated in the chanting, I feel the need to address this. Firstly, despite what Strang reported, we were chanting "We don't want HIM", not "We don't want YOU". The chant was directed at Sather, not at Nash.

As someone who has season tickets and who buys merchandise, the revenues of which go in a small part to pay Sather's salary, I think I have a right to make my opinion known in the only acceptable way possible - I certainly can't burst into his office or email him to make my views known, so yes, I, along with thousands of other people chanted that we did not want to trade for Nash.

I, personally, am sick of looking at players like Tony Amonte, Doug Weight, Marc Savard, Sergei Zubov, Mike Knuble and Mike York having successful careers on other teams while the Rangers hover between 8th and 10th place fielding a team of overpriced "superstars".

Another poster called the chanting "ignorant", and some chants I have heard at the Garden are indeed ignorant (taunting Potvin about beating his wife comes readily to mind). In the case of what we were chanting last night, I disagree. I think refusing to learn from the past is the height of ignorance.


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Don't see that happening, considering Parise has an additional three prime years when compared to Richards.
Don't forget people were saying BR would get 7.5m or even 8m per year... there are reasons I can see for Parise to come here. He's gotta see that Broduer only has a year or two left...the Rangers' success, our domination of them for the last few years, the fact that he doesn't have to move and can be on a better team, etc etc. BR wanted to come here and took less money to do so. I can see scenarios were Parise does the same. But even if we don't get Parise, I want no part of Nash's contract. Nash himself is a good player - his contract is horrible. If we are going to trade assets for a star, we better be getting an affordable one.

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Kings fan just visiting and didn't want to go through all the Nash threads.

I was curious as to NYs interest in adding Nash. Can you guys give me the pros of adding him when your team looks to be doing so well. It seems like NY can put together the best package. Would Nash be that piece to put you over the top? Is he worth what Columbus is asking for? Just looking for some reasoning behind the possible move as LA seems more cut and dry with their desire and needs. Thx in advance for any insight.
Most of us don't want him because of the reported price tag.

The fact of the matter is that CBJ want young roster players now, and as much as Nash would help us, i'm not utterly convinced that Nash is worth more to us right now than Dubinsky and Del Zotto combined. MDZ has been such an underrated piece in this team's success this year that it is not even funny.

Rangers need 2 pieces to, in my opinion, make them a complete team. The first is a left winger with a scoring touch that excels on the power play. The other is a faceoff specialist.

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Don't forget people were saying BR would get 7.5m or even 8m per year... there are reasons I can see for Parise to come here. He's gotta see that Broduer only has a year or two left...the Rangers' success, our domination of them for the last few years, the fact that he doesn't have to move and can be on a better team, etc etc. BR wanted to come here and took less money to do so. I can see scenarios were Parise does the same. But even if we don't get Parise, I want no part of Nash's contract. Nash himself is a good player - his contract is horrible. If we are going to trade assets for a star, we better be getting an affordable one.
Right, but a discounted Parise is still more expensive than a discounted Brad Richards, because you're getting Parise at the age of 28 instead of 31.

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I disagree. They've already made it known that they are shopping him. He has a NMC so he is only going to go to a team he wants to. His contract will scare alot of teams away. Columbus is limited in who wants him from his list. I dont think after all of this media coverage and with the distraction its been the last week + to that team that they will turn around and keep him. If he isnt gone by the deadline he will be gone before next season starts. Not saying that they are going to give him away for nothing but I dont think they are going to get what they want for him.
Yep. Once you've made it known you are shopping a player, you've basically got to trade him. They are now committed to moving Nash.

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Yep. Once you've made it known you are shopping a player, you've basically got to trade him. They are now committed to moving Nash.
Oh, yea definitely. I mean, look at Bobby Ryan.

Do you know you're ************ when you say something so definitively, or do you really believe that?

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The reason I pointed out the players I did was to illustrate that fans often think players will come here and play leaps bounds better than on their previous clubs and that its never been true.

Players come here and play to their career averages or slightly below. That means nash would continue to be a very good player who nets ~30 goals a season. It also means that he will NOT turn into an elite superstar scoring an extra 15-20 goals every year even though he broke 40 once on a crappy team.
Theoretically. The way this team is built could help elevate a guy like Nash. Then again he could be average as you say, who knows?

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I dunno maybe it is just me but I am not buying this whole team chemistry thing. I agree that they are a close knit bunch and many players have said that including Marty Biron who said it was the best locker room he has ever been in. However, despite the chemistry being undeniably great, if the psyche of the room is that fragile that moving 1-2 pieces will tear it apart then I am a little bit worried regardless of whether we get Nash or not.

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Columbus wants McD or DZ. NYR have no interest in moving either player.

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Theoretically. The way this team is built could help elevate a guy like Nash. Then again he could be average as you say, who knows?
I don't think anyone is saying there's no chance that Nash would be elevated outside of Columbus; the problem is that there's also a good chance that he would not be elevated. With a $7.8m cap hit, that's a huge risk to take, and with how we have played this year, it doesn't make much sense to take that risk while also giving up valuable assets.

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Ryan's situation was somewhat different in that it had a lot to do with the current coach of the team, who was subsequently fired.

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Right, but a discounted Parise is still more expensive than a discounted Brad Richards, because you're getting Parise at the age of 28 instead of 31.
Hard to say this - depends on the market factors. Age is only one factor...his interest in playing for us, local comfort, what teams are bidding and for how much, etc. I will give you that I think he'll be higher...but by how much is the question? I think at 7m its doable with our cap.

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Most of us don't want him because of the reported price tag.

The fact of the matter is that CBJ want young roster players now, and as much as Nash would help us, i'm not utterly convinced that Nash is worth more to us right now than Dubinsky and Del Zotto combined. MDZ has been such an underrated piece in this team's success this year that it is not even funny.

Rangers need 2 pieces to, in my opinion, make them a complete team. The first is a left winger with a scoring touch that excels on the power play. The other is a faceoff specialist.
Thx. Stoll could probably be had for relatively cheap, maybe even a third. He has had a rough year but he is usually pretty solid.

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Columbus wants McD or DZ. NYR have no interest in moving either player.

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To which I say "hell no" and tell Howson to gtfo.

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Oh, yea definitely. I mean, look at Bobby Ryan.

Do you know you're ************ when you say something so definitively, or do you really believe that?
The difference is that Ryan was quickly pulled off the market. Howson has been aggressively shopping Nash. He's been somewhat desperate which would worry me if I was a CBJ fan. You are right though it's not absolutely necessary he moves him, but he's making things awfully awkward in Columbus.

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Oh, yea definitely. I mean, look at Bobby Ryan.

Do you know you're ************ when you say something so definitively, or do you really believe that?

The Ducks are now fighting for a playoff spot and at the time Ryan was rumored to be on the block they were fighting to Fail for Nail with CLB.

Jon is right. The Jackets are in last and are not getting any better. By trading Nash they are essentially asking to start over and rebuild yet again. The Ducks on the other hand still had Perry, Getzlaf, Fowler and a great goaltender in Hiller. Ryan was not the heart and soul of the Ducks the same way Nash is in CLB.

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I dunno maybe it is just me but I am not buying this whole team chemistry thing. I agree that they are a close knit bunch and many players have said that including Marty Biron who said it was the best locker room he has ever been in. However, despite the chemistry being undeniably great, if the psyche of the room is that fragile that moving 1-2 pieces will tear it apart then I am a little bit worried
regardless of whether we get Nash or not.
Exactly my thoughts on tha topic. If removing a player such as Dubinsky (just an example) destroys this teams cohesiveness than the whole great chemistry talk is just smoke and mirrors.

I'd be more concerned if the team chemistry was several cliques who spend time together. While its true some of the guys spend more time with others I think the whole team is close. Instead of groups of friends who are civil with other groups.

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The Blue Jackets want to build a new generation of young 20's around Johansen and, in all likelihood, Nail Yakupov.

They want 20,21,22 year old proven blue chippers, which is why thery have such an interest in Philly where they could get Couturier, Schenn, JVR, Bobrovski. And this is why they want MDZ and Kreider from the Rangers.

If they could get those 4 Philly peices in a deal, and another blue chipper/first for Carter, they would have an amazing future foundation to build off of.

CBJ went for the stars this year with Carter and Prospal and Wiz and failed. Time to start over for them.

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This is a good point...btw I love your avatar...pretty much sums it up.


Someone earlier on said that they wouldn't pay Nash 7.8m in free agency, so why would you give assets on top of that. I agree with this logic entirely. Not only are you taking on a horrible contract, but you are giving up assets too? Hell no.

If anything, they'd have to give us assets to take on such a bad contract. To me, at 7.8m cap hit Nash has negative value. To those of you who are starstruck, this might be a difficult concept, but his cap hit is so high that he's being paid way above his production...not just this year but for his career.

Those of you advocated acquiring him are looking at it from the vacuum of he's the best available guy right now. But nobody has a gun to our heads forcing us to make a move. We are 1st in the east by 9 pts, and only 3 pts behind Det for the President's trophy. And that's without Dubi producing, without BR producing for a huge stretch, and not counting Kreider's impact next year hopefully, or other improvements we can make with 6-8m in cap space this summer. I would love a cup this year, but we are positioned very well for now and the future. Do you guys really want to go for it this year while screwing ourselves the next few years into the future? Especially when we don't have to?
Listen his contract isnt great but lets not pretend hes that over paid. This isnt like a Gomez situation with Nash. The guy is a 35 goal 65 point player. Hes only overpaid by $1 - $1.5 million maybe. Not saying I want him but to say he has negative value and that Columbus would have to give the Rangers assets to take his contract is nonsense.

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The Ducks are now fighting for a playoff spot and at the time Ryan was rumored to be on the block they were fighting to Fail for Nail with CLB.

Jon is right. The Jackets are in last and are not getting any better. By trading Nash they are essentially asking to start over and rebuild yet again. The Ducks on the other hand still had Perry, Getzlaf, Fowler and a great goaltender in Hiller. Ryan was not the heart and soul of the Ducks the same way Nash is in CLB.
Thanks for proving my point. Its all about the situation.

Which makes the statement "Once youve made it known you're shopping a player, you've basically got to trade him" a bunch of baloney. All depends upon the situation. Im not saying Nash wont get traded, but I dont think it'll be at the deadline. What sense does it make for Columbus to rush this thing along and not get the package theyre looking for? Demand will be higher in the offseason.

Sometimes the hunger to see a trade happen drives people into a frenzy around here.

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