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02-20-2012, 11:28 AM
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Explain why Nashville trade Weber for less than the 4 first rounders they would get if he signed an offer sheet and they didn't match it. Conditional picks?!
Because if Weber has no intention on re-signing in Nashville, then why would a team sign him to an offer sheet?
They would be inclined to move him. It'll be expensive. But yes, we could put forth a package worthy of him. We have good defensive prospects, Weber, Diaz, Emelin, Beaulieu, Tinordi, a very valuable 1st round pick, a couple 2nd, and more might be added by deadline.
So, there's no question in my mind that a package could be offered to Nashville, that would be of interest to them.

The conditional pick I got messed up. It was for Suter as he's a UFA.

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02-20-2012, 11:46 AM
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he is not a #1 , Lidstrom , Weber , Chara are ones

when he is mentioned as Norris trophy candidate then he can be a #1

is DD a #1 cause he happens to center our make shift #1 line ?
Really?

He and Gorges have been one of the best D-pairings in the league this season, they are both PLUS defenseman playing on a team that is in the hunt for a lottery pick. If that doesn't tell you what level Subban really plays at, I don't know what will.

His offensive production has been slowed this season, but keep in mind he has far more defensive assignments as well. His ES strength production is nearly identical as to what it was this time last season. It's been the terrible PP that's limited his offensive production, and that's the effect of not having a proper point partner that can compliment Subban's style and ineffective coaching strategies to bolster what we have. Lately they've incorporated the forwards more and it's been working.

There is a very small sample of defenseman in this league I'd take over Subban for the future. Very very small.

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02-20-2012, 12:12 PM
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Thats good....because the Habs don't need to rebuild!!! They need to get ride of some dead weight....and they started with Cammalleri and now Gill. If they can get rid of guys like Gomez and Gionta and get rid of their ugly contracts...the Habs will have the means to sign several veteran players that have some size and desire to win and succeed!

Gaulthier is doing a fantastic job with his latest trades by getting the type of players the Habs need and getting good draft picks while clearing away useless players and big contracts.

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02-20-2012, 01:46 PM
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Thats good....because the Habs don't need to rebuild!!! They need to get ride of some dead weight....and they started with Cammalleri and now Gill. If they can get rid of guys like Gomez and Gionta and get rid of their ugly contracts...the Habs will have the means to sign several veteran players that have some size and desire to win and succeed!

Gaulthier is doing a fantastic job with his latest trades by getting the type of players the Habs need and getting good draft picks while clearing away useless players and big contracts.
That's right, we don't need to rebuild. This is true only by virtue of the fact that the club is only aiming for 8th place.

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02-20-2012, 02:26 PM
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That's right, we don't need to rebuild. This is true only by virtue of the fact that the club is only aiming for 8th place.
Last year our 8th place team almost eleminated the Stanley Cup winner in the 1st round.

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02-20-2012, 02:36 PM
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Last year our 8th place team almost eleminated the Stanley Cup winner in the 1st round.
Awesome. How about we build a perennial Stanley Cup contender instead of pointing out how we "almost" beat the eventual champion in the first round?
Stagnating and competing for the 8th spot isn't good enough to those of us who remember when this team was actually good. When you "almost" beat someone means you lost and that simply isn't good enough.

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02-20-2012, 02:38 PM
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Awesome. How about we build a perennial Stanley Cup contender instead of pointing out how we "almost" beat the eventual champion in the first round.
Stagnating and competing for the 8th spot isn't good enough to those of us who remember when this team was actually good. When you "almost" beat someone means you lost and that simply isn't good enough.
Folks here want to empty the team to re-build. Which is totally non sense.

Do you want the Habs to be the next Edmonton Oilers ?

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02-20-2012, 02:56 PM
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Folks here want to empty the team to re-build. Which is totally non sense.

Do you want the Habs to be the next Edmonton Oilers ?
Right now we are the Oilers, the Islanders or any other bottom dwelling team.

Diaz, Kaberle, Campoli and Weber will not improve this team.

Darche, Gionta, Gomez, Bourque, Nokeleinen, Kostitsyn (as sad as that makes me saying that about AK) will not improve this team.

There you have it. Ten players that are basically useless to this team that we need to unload.

Gainey hamstrung us with Gomez. Gauthier hamstrung us with Kaberle and Bourque.

Does Gauthier have vision? Or will he keep those players and hope for the best? Sadly, I think it will be the latter.

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02-20-2012, 02:59 PM
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That's right, we don't need to rebuild. This is true only by virtue of the fact that the club is only aiming for 8th place.
If you say so!!!!!

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02-20-2012, 02:59 PM
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Right now we are the Oilers, the Islanders or any other bottom dwelling team.

Diaz, Kaberle, Campoli and Weber will not improve this team.

Darche, Gionta, Gomez, Bourque, Nokeleinen, Kostitsyn (as sad as that makes me saying that about AK) will not improve this team.

There you have it. Ten players that are basically useless to this team that we need to unload.

Gainey hamstrung us with Gomez. Gauthier hamstrung us with Kaberle and Bourque.

Does Gauthier have vision? Or will he keep those players and hope for the best? Sadly, I think it will be the latter.
I'd love to hear your explaination on how all those guys are useless.

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02-20-2012, 03:01 PM
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Right now we are the Oilers, the Islanders or any other bottom dwelling team.

Diaz, Kaberle, Campoli and Weber will not improve this team.

Darche, Gionta, Gomez, Bourque, Nokeleinen, Kostitsyn (as sad as that makes me saying that about AK) will not improve this team.

There you have it. Ten players that are basically useless to this team that we need to unload.

Gainey hamstrung us with Gomez. Gauthier hamstrung us with Kaberle and Bourque.

Does Gauthier have vision? Or will he keep those players and hope for the best? Sadly, I think it will be the latter.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm...ntial&type=CON

We are not even close to those teams.

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02-20-2012, 03:07 PM
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This team is not re-building?!!? This team has been in a constant build, re-build, re-re-build for the past 7 years.

Team still has no #1 Center...been waiting almost a decade. Super-thin defense corps....not sure even Markov will improve it that much.

Sure they have some pieces, but the Habs are destined to be a middling team for awhile. A high draft pick would certainly go along way to expediting the improvement.

This team's also been lacking an identity awhile, hopefully this seemingly new direction of bigger, stronger will address that.


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02-20-2012, 03:07 PM
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm...ntial&type=CON

We are not even close to those teams.
I dont know what you are saying. We have 24 wins, the Islanders (tied with us in points) have 25 wins and the Oil have 22 wins with 2 games in hand.

We are them.

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02-20-2012, 03:11 PM
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I'd love to hear your explaination on how all those guys are useless.
Maybe the better explanation is why they should still be with this team as we are in 13th place in the East.

Hate to shock you but there are bigger and better DMen in the League who can score points and block shots.

And, there are forwards who can play the game better than the guys that I mentioned.

Explain how keeping virtually the same team will end in different results.

The term useless was used in the context of not being useful in moving toward a Stanley Cup.

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02-20-2012, 03:42 PM
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A high draft pick won't help the Habs much. The # 5 for Price didn't lift them to the upper level.

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it is time this team to grab a big #1 centre, enough

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02-20-2012, 03:50 PM
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it is time this team to grab a big #1 centre, enough
Eric Chouinard and Jason Ward got that covered. Wait...

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02-20-2012, 03:53 PM
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A high draft pick won't help the Habs much. The # 5 for Price didn't lift them to the upper level.
I've always wondered if the Habs had of drafted Kopitar instead of Price, how they would be doing. Not knocking Price, but Kopitar/Halak would have been an improvement over Price/Gomez.

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02-20-2012, 03:53 PM
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That's right, we don't need to rebuild. This is true only by virtue of the fact that the club is only aiming for 8th place.
You make no sense.

Rebuilding teams don't have any young pieces to build from which is not the case for this team. What is so hard for you to understand?

Do rebuilding teams have a young elite starting goalie?

Do rebuilding teams have a young 30 goals scorer power forward?

Do rebuilding teams have a future no1 defenceman on their team already?

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02-20-2012, 04:22 PM
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I've always wondered if the Habs had of drafted Kopitar instead of Price, how they would be doing. Not knocking Price, but Kopitar/Halak would have been an improvement over Price/Gomez.
Lets trade places with LA in that draft.

Price/Gomez or

Halak/Quick/Kopitar

or

Quick/Kopitar/Eller

or imagine

Quick/Kopitar/Eller/Mcdonagh

The possibilities are great when you don't have an incompetent GM.

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02-20-2012, 04:24 PM
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You make no sense.

Rebuilding teams don't have any young pieces to build from which is not the case for this team. What is so hard for you to understand?

Do rebuilding teams have a young elite starting goalie?

Do rebuilding teams have a young 30 goals scorer power forward?

Do rebuilding teams have a future no1 defenceman on their team already?
Wow, 3 young players.

You're right, this team isn't rebuilding it's on the cusp of greatness... not.

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Bourque isnt a problem. For 3 million he is a solid 3rd line player who could also play top 6. Expect Andrei Kostitsyn to go.

Moen might stay, but easily could go as well.

Priorities going into offseason:

See if anyone wants Plekanec. If not keep him. Continue to look for top line centerman, does not have to be huge.

Proceed with signings and before season begins bury Gomez.

Observe whether Markov will be able to return. If not throw everything at Suter and acquire another top 6 physical defenseman.

So:

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
?????-Plek-Gionta
Leblanc-Eller-Bourque
Geoffrion-Noke (if not dealt)-White

On the cusp:

Dumont, Schultz, Palushaj, Engqvist

Moen likely dealt with AK this deadline.

Defense:

Markov-Emelin (lets not kid ourselves, Markov should be ready next year)
Gorges-Subban
?????-??????

Kaberle, Diaz, Weber and Campoli are all serious question marks. While I like Diaz and Weber, I just dont know if they have a place in the NHL due to their size. Kaberle is relatively useless, especially 5 on 5 and Campoli will be traded.

Conclusion:

Campoli, Moen, Kostitsyn, Diaz, Weber, Nokelainen and Kaberle should all be available during this trade deadline. I fully expect Moen, Campoli and Kostitsyn to go. I am sure the habs have made Gomez available to anyone willing to take him and I am sure a team like Chicago may be looking.

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02-20-2012, 06:19 PM
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That's right, we don't need to rebuild. This is true only by virtue of the fact that the club is only aiming for 8th place.

Yeah and if we were able to ice a full roster with all of our key players like Markov, Gionta and Cammalleri for 82 games....we would have been competing for 1st in the East!!

The Habs aren't as bad as some fans like to believe. When you have important players missing 10, 20, 30 or more games through the season....you're bound to lose a couple of games that you'd otherwise win.

I can't believe how little some people know about the Habs!!

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Folks here want to empty the team to re-build. Which is totally non sense.

Do you want the Habs to be the next Edmonton Oilers ?

Exactly....some fans think we need a rebuild but they have no intentions in sitting back and watching the team lose for the next 5 or 6 seasons while the rebuild happens.....like the Oilers are going through right now.

The Habs need a few upgrades....nothing more!!

They need a top 3 defencemen who is mobile, young, rough, big and can play defence and add some offence.

The 4th line needs to get rid of Darche and other soft players with no size or grit and replace them with strength, muscle, grit and energy.

They need another Erik Cole-like winger, or 2 who work hard and make things happen on the ice when they have the puck.

And most of all....they need to be healthy and in shape when the season starts.

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02-20-2012, 06:38 PM
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I've always wondered if the Habs had of drafted Kopitar instead of Price, how they would be doing. Not knocking Price, but Kopitar/Halak would have been an improvement over Price/Gomez.

Perhaps you should compare the following:
Kopitar, Halak, MacDonagh to Gomez, Price

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