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02-20-2012, 12:49 PM
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Subtract Williams, Stoll, Lewis..
Jesus that's a win in my book.

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http://lakingsinsider.com/2012/02/20...e-new-lines-4/

Interesting little switch up. Thoughts?
Like shuffling deck chairs on the titanic

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No, it's not a myth. Penner's style was completely different. I don't know how was that possible, because his conditioning was terrible, it was definitely worse than now. But he was playing faster, using body, was circling the puck well,...
Penner was awful from day 1. Kings fans were blinded by that fact because he got some lucky points playing with Kopitar/Williams. It was funny watching people fawn all over him initially.

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Subtract Williams, Stoll, Lewis..
Why?

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02-20-2012, 01:07 PM
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Why?
If we still had Cammy we wouldn't have Lewis or O'Sullivan, and without O'Sullivan there's no Williams. Plus if we're taking back all DL's trades, we got Stoll and Greene for Lubo. Wouldn't mind if that one was reversed but it doesn't do anything to improve our forwards.

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02-20-2012, 01:22 PM
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If we still had Cammy we wouldn't have Lewis or O'Sullivan, and without O'Sullivan there's no Williams. Plus if we're taking back all DL's trades, we got Stoll and Greene for Lubo. Wouldn't mind if that one was reversed but it doesn't do anything to improve our forwards.
false.

Demitra got the Kings O'Sullivan+Lewis


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02-20-2012, 01:24 PM
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If we still had Cammy we wouldn't have Lewis or O'Sullivan, and without O'Sullivan there's no Williams. Plus if we're taking back all DL's trades, we got Stoll and Greene for Lubo. Wouldn't mind if that one was reversed but it doesn't do anything to improve our forwards.
Shoot not having Lewis, Well for arguments sake. Lets say Dean Couldn't pick him.

So he would have stumbled upon the 7 or so Forwards after Lewis that are more productive ?

Yes please.

Giroux, Stewart, Mrchand, Lucic, Bergland,Foligno Kulemin Clutterbuck. Jesus man the 2006 draft makes me so angry.

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02-20-2012, 01:37 PM
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false.

Demitra got the Kings O'Sullivan+Lewis

Zis be true. Mixed those up. My b.

Hindsight really doesn't apply to that trade anymore

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02-20-2012, 02:21 PM
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If we still had Cammy we wouldn't have Lewis or O'Sullivan, and without O'Sullivan there's no Williams. Plus if we're taking back all DL's trades, we got Stoll and Greene for Lubo. Wouldn't mind if that one was reversed but it doesn't do anything to improve our forwards.
Oh check this out Chris Stewart was drafted right after Trevor Lewis. We even could have Nick Foligno.

To take it further, we can have picked Lucic or Kulemin of Toronto. But Trevor Lewis

But hey, so did 29 other team right? It's all hindsight!

But if we just had better talent scouts that year.... wheew!!!!!!! Again, it's all hindsight

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02-20-2012, 02:40 PM
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This is what I would like to see for now

Brown-Kopitar-King
Nolan-Richards-Williams
Penner-Stoll-Richardson
Clifford-Loktionov-Lewis

After the Deadline if Gagne is healthy
Brown-Kopitar-Nash
Gagne-Richards-Williams
Richarson-Loktionov-Lewis- energy line
Clifford-Gaustad-King

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02-20-2012, 02:50 PM
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Now,

King-Kopitar-Williams
Nolan-Richards-Brown
Clifford-Loktionov-Lewis
Penner-Fraser-Westgarth

If the rumored trade goes through, eventually this:

Gagne-Kopitar-Nash
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Penner-Stoll-Lewis
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02-20-2012, 03:03 PM
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Oh check this out Chris Stewart was drafted right after Trevor Lewis. We even could have Nick Foligno.

To take it further, we can have picked Lucic or Kulemin of Toronto. But Trevor Lewis

But hey, so did 29 other team right? It's all hindsight!

But if we just had better talent scouts that year.... wheew!!!!!!! Again, it's all hindsight
The thing is, we wouldn't have even had that pick had DL not traded Demitra for it + O'Sullivan. He then flipped Sully for Williams. So all in all he turned a guy who, tragic accident notwithstanding, was all-but-retired from the NHL entering this season for two players on the current roster. DL has made mistakes as GM, but I don't see how you can spin that deal as bad management. We could have Chris Stewart, but we could also have watched Demitra walk to Vancouver as a FA with nothing to show for it.

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Nash-Carter-Williams
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02-20-2012, 03:08 PM
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The thing is, we wouldn't have even had that pick had DL not traded Demitra for it + O'Sullivan. He then flipped Sully for Williams. So all in all he turned a guy who, tragic accident notwithstanding, was all-but-retired from the NHL entering this season for two players on the current roster. DL has made mistakes as GM, but I don't see how you can spin that deal as bad management. We could have Chris Stewart, but we could also have watched Demitra walk to Vancouver as a FA with nothing to show for it.
There was nothing wrong the Demitra trade. It didn't work out as well as we had all hoped, but it was still the right move at the time IMO.

Every GM makes mistakes, and that's why I've been tolerant of DL for so long. That said, the Cammalleri, Penner, Visnovksy and Richards trades were all blunders IMO.

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I'm not a fan of Sutter but nice to see somebody finally criticize and stop coddling these two guys:

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SUTTER: “Different? Yeah, Kopitar and Brown to get going. Neither one has done much for six weeks. These guys talk too much about the team. They should talk more about more about themselves, what they bring to the table. … Kopi and Brownie have been stale, from my standpoint, for a little while together. In terms of producing opportunities, if it’s working backwards, in terms of who you perceive as your fourth line, to your first, then it’s not really a team thing.’
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“Brownie is a straight-line, up-and-down, go-to-the net, shoot-the-puck, run-over-people player. Just break it down. If he’s doing those four or five things, he’s effective. If he’s not doing all those things, he’s not effective.

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I'm not a fan of Sutter but nice to see somebody finally criticize and stop coddling these two guys:
That's what I like to read. At least the coach is seeing the same things we are seeing and saying something about it. I love the hot seat.

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There was nothing wrong the Demitra trade. It didn't work out as well as we had all hoped, but it was still the right move at the time IMO.

Every GM makes mistakes, and that's why I've been tolerant of DL for so long. That said, the Cammalleri, Penner, Visnovksy and Richards trades were all blunders IMO.
I think we would've lost Cammalleri either way. You saw that even the Flames were unwilling to pony up after trading good assets to get him. It's also way way way way way too soon to tell re: Richards. He's having a bad stretch but he was settling in well before the concussion.

I think DL's biggest mistake was letting Zeus walk. He brought a lot to this team's bottom six which we've yet to replace.

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I wonder what Torterella would be saying if he was our coach right now?

Did anyone see on 24/7 when he was blasting Gaborik on the bench right in front of everyone? Classic.

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That's what I like to read. At least the coach is seeing the same things we are seeing and saying something about it. I love the hot seat.
Huge difference from TM press. Sutter mentioned that they were talking too much about "the team," and I think that's a team-building "we lose and win together" mindset that TM put in place which is far outdated now that expectations are so much higher.

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I'm not a fan of Sutter but nice to see somebody finally criticize and stop coddling these two guys:
I agree with his statements there. And with your statement. Hopefully Kopitar and Brown get the message. The only thing left for Sutter now is, to tell the truth about Richards. Unfortunately if there is one Kings player that Sutter will not realistically talk about, it's Mike Richards.

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Nash - Kopitar - Toffoly
Brown - Schenn - Wiliams
Penner- Loktionov - Simmonds
Clifford - Lewis - Nolan


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Penner was awful from day 1. Kings fans were blinded by that fact because he got some lucky points playing with Kopitar/Williams. It was funny watching people fawn all over him initially.
We will just have to agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that I guess, I am not here to persuade other people to see things the same way I see them.

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The thing is, we wouldn't have even had that pick had DL not traded Demitra for it + O'Sullivan. He then flipped Sully for Williams. So all in all he turned a guy who, tragic accident notwithstanding, was all-but-retired from the NHL entering this season for two players on the current roster. DL has made mistakes as GM, but I don't see how you can spin that deal as bad management. We could have Chris Stewart, but we could also have watched Demitra walk to Vancouver as a FA with nothing to show for it.
Exactly. I love people playing hindsight on drafts.

Doesn't everyone wish they would have taken Datsyuk before the 7th round?

Lewis was ranked high by all scouting staffs and outlets. He was projected to be a dynamite 3rd liner in the NHL. He is still growing into that role.

Also, if anyone wants to play hindsight on that draft, don't use Chris Stewart. The guy is a problem. He got traded away from Colorado for being lazy, he is on the 4th line in St. Louis for being lazy.

Lewis works his ass off at the least.

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02-20-2012, 04:19 PM
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I would like to see this, move stoll back to center, have king/nolan (i forgot who was the natural LW) create space on each of the lines they are on. Lokti is good and dishing the puck out but no one can ever finish, put williams on his line who can shoot.

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