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02-20-2012, 06:41 PM
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Right now we are the Oilers, the Islanders or any other bottom dwelling team.

Diaz, Kaberle, Campoli and Weber will not improve this team.

Darche, Gionta, Gomez, Bourque, Nokeleinen, Kostitsyn (as sad as that makes me saying that about AK) will not improve this team.

There you have it. Ten players that are basically useless to this team that we need to unload.

Gainey hamstrung us with Gomez. Gauthier hamstrung us with Kaberle and Bourque.

Does Gauthier have vision? Or will he keep those players and hope for the best? Sadly, I think it will be the latter.
What do you expect to get for these "useless" players ?

You gonna get equal value players or picks that gonna take 2 to 4 years to develop - not all of them will pan out - and the team gonna finish in the basement and loose its fans at tye Bell.

Mr Molson certainly doesn't want that.

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02-20-2012, 06:43 PM
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Gionta is useless.

**** this board.

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02-20-2012, 06:44 PM
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Perhaps you should compare the following:
Kopitar, Halak, MacDonagh to Gomez, Price
Who is MacDonagh?

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02-20-2012, 06:49 PM
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The Habs are a long way from being a power house in this league. They need an actual game breaker, a couple of guys in the top 25 in league scoring, two scoring lines, a first Line center and a couple of big tough shutdown dmen, and a solid enforcer to protect the bunch.

We are a bubble team that plays Boston well. That's why we are currently 25th in the league. We have a nice mix, some nice prospects and some assets on the way. Build progressively, we should challenge in 3 years.

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02-20-2012, 06:50 PM
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Perhaps you should compare the following:
Kopitar, Halak, MacDonagh to Gomez, Price
and don't forget Higgins......could still have him, too.

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02-20-2012, 07:11 PM
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When half your team is under 25, you've already started to rebuild. Our team is stocked with young guys who should improve, and as they do the team improves with them.

Question marks: Depending on how well Markov heals and how fast Nathan Beaulieu develops, our defense could be leaps and bounds better pretty soon. But if neither guy shows up next year, our current crop needs help. Subban, Diaz, Emelin and Weber will improve with experience, but we're still missing the key ingredient of a true shutdown guy. Stable key player: Gorges.

Up front, our developing young talents are Eller, Pacioretty, Desharnais and Leblanc. All are good, all should improve. Stable key players: Plekanec, Cole, Bourque, Gionta (yes, I believe he'll be back and productive). Questions: How to add scoring punch? Standing pat with the current young guys might take us a bit further next year as they mature, but we still need a stronger attack. We need to get two more scoring forwards any way we can in order to throw two strong scoring lines out there.

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02-20-2012, 08:40 PM
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Last year our 8th place team almost eleminated the Stanley Cup winner in the 1st round.
So what?

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02-20-2012, 08:47 PM
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P.S: We were't an 8th place team in 4 of the 6 years after the lockout. True story.

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02-20-2012, 08:59 PM
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Gionta is useless.

**** this board.
He's smaaaaaaalllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So what if he scores 25+ goals in tough matchups. Blunden>>>>>Gionta

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02-20-2012, 09:05 PM
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P.S: We were't an 8th place team in 4 of the 6 years after the lockout. True story.
You should do one GDT for good luck harry

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02-20-2012, 09:09 PM
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People forget how valuable Gionta was in his first 2 seasons. He had an ok start this year until his injury. He should definitely be on this team next year for leadership along with Cole and Gorges.

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02-20-2012, 09:58 PM
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The Habs are a long way from being a power house in this league. They need an actual game breaker, a couple of guys in the top 25 in league scoring, two scoring lines, a first Line center and a couple of big tough shutdown dmen, and a solid enforcer to protect the bunch.

We are a bubble team that plays Boston well. That's why we are currently 25th in the league. We have a nice mix, some nice prospects and some assets on the way. Build progressively, we should challenge in 3 years.
All they need is a true #1 D... maybe they got one on a plane somewhere?

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02-20-2012, 10:33 PM
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Of course. We are all saying that. Doesn't mean we can't trim the fat.

Sell at deadline:
Moen
Gill
Campoli

Try to sell at deadline:
Kaberle
Nokelainen
Darche
Bourque

Try to trade for a good return:
Gionta

Demote to Minors:
Scott Gomez.
you're blocked

gionta is our captain, we need leadership and experience in the dressing room dummy, plus he's been hurt all year and is havinfg ONE BAD SEASON
not to mention what he brings on the ice, goes to the dirty areas, feisty

bourque is a good player, yeah let's get rid of him for even though he produces and he's signed at a good salary


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02-20-2012, 10:36 PM
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IMO the defense needs more retooling than the forwards. We are in the upper half in 5 on 5 goals so what we need is a healthy Markov and some defense.

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02-20-2012, 10:37 PM
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We should ask that exec again... if there was even one to begin with...

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02-20-2012, 10:45 PM
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People forget how valuable Gionta was in his first 2 seasons. He had an ok start this year until his injury. He should definitely be on this team next year for leadership along with Cole and Gorges.
Frankly, the Gionta "hate" makes me sick to my stomach. The guy is a hard worker, leaves it all on the ice, is our captain, has been big in the playoffs and has led this team in goals the last 2 seasons and yet people lump him in with Gomez...wtf?

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02-20-2012, 10:56 PM
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Frankly, the Gionta "hate" makes me sick to my stomach. The guy is a hard worker, leaves it all on the ice, is our captain, has been big in the playoffs and has led this team in goals the last 2 seasons and yet people lump him in with Gomez...wtf?
I dont hate Gionta. I see him for what he is......not what he was.

Lets look at reality. He is 33 years old and before his injury, he had 15 points (8 goals) in 31 games and was a -7. Add to that his size......5'7", 173 pounds.

He is not what this team needs now. An aging (yes, hard working with a great attitude) forward who is undersized and his scoring touch has diminished.

Time to thank Gionta for all that he did here and move on. No hate involved at all. Its business and this team needs to progress, not hang on in the hope that Gionta rebounds. And as far as leadership, Cole can take that role.

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02-20-2012, 11:08 PM
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Gionta is useless.

**** this board.
I hear you, can't believe some are calling for his head.



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and don't forget Higgins......could still have him, too.
Yeah I miss hearing stories of him getting wrecked on the eve of some big games with his roomate ryder, their IQ was decent .... if you add them up to a grand total it should be at least 35.

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02-21-2012, 12:27 AM
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You make no sense.
Yeah right... I keep hearing that from you folks but we continually churn out 8th place teams. I've been right on the money for a long time now and if anything have overestimated the club so please don't come back with this crap.
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Rebuilding teams don't have any young pieces to build from which is not the case for this team. What is so hard for you to understand?

Do rebuilding teams have a young elite starting goalie?

Do rebuilding teams have a young 30 goals scorer power forward?

Do rebuilding teams have a future no1 defenceman on their team already?
Depends on what stage they're at in their rebuild. Nobody is suggesting that we rip every single vet out of this team but YES they should deal some of them away. Price, Subban and Max are great prospects and that's something to be happy about but we should be making MORE moves that bring in younger players like that.

We've got the best scouting in the league and we don't do nearly enough to take advantage of it.



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Yeah and if we were able to ice a full roster with all of our key players like Markov, Gionta and Cammalleri for 82 games....we would have been competing for 1st in the East!!
Sure we would...

Oh sorry, were you serious?
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The Habs aren't as bad as some fans like to believe. When you have important players missing 10, 20, 30 or more games through the season....you're bound to lose a couple of games that you'd otherwise win.

I can't believe how little some people know about the Habs!!
I can't believe how people will chow down on a crap sandwhich and crow about how good it tastes.

Andrei Markov has been missing going on three years now. It's time to put away that .... wait sorry... it's well PAST time to put away that rubber crutch. Anything we get from him is a bonus at this point. He may come back and be awesome or he may never play again. It is what it is.

We've got a lot of vets who are never going to win a cup with us. Yes, we have some of the pieces in place to build a winner with but we are still several large pieces away and our D is a freakin' mess right now. There's no reason not to look ahead to the future and come up with a PLAN. We don't do this though. It's just an endless cycle of aborted rebuilds and crappy retools. Good enough for the playoffs but not much else. It's not surprising that we're competing for last place actually considering how we've avoided top picks like the plague and absolutely refused to make the kinds of rebuilding moves that we should've been for all those years when we sucked. But we're the Montreal Canadiens right? So we're too good to rebuild. Too bad we're not good enough to win cups anymore.

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02-21-2012, 05:22 AM
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I dont hate Gionta. I see him for what he is......not what he was.

Lets look at reality. He is 33 years old and before his injury, he had 15 points (8 goals) in 31 games and was a -7. Add to that his size......5'7", 173 pounds.

He is not what this team needs now. An aging (yes, hard working with a great attitude) forward who is undersized and his scoring touch has diminished.

Time to thank Gionta for all that he did here and move on. No hate involved at all. Its business and this team needs to progress, not hang on in the hope that Gionta rebounds. And as far as leadership, Cole can take that role.
So because his production is down a bit over 30 games where he was out of the lineup twice and suddenly "his scoring touch has diminished"?

Funny how you twist the facts to match your argument.

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02-21-2012, 08:32 AM
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I have nothing against Gionta as a player. I would just prefer return assets and go in another direction. Him and Gomez are all that remain of Gainey's "free agency rebuild". The sooner the two of them are gone, the quicker we realize it as a failed experiment and that all we have positive on this team is what we've DEVELOPED, STUCK WITH, and DRAFTED.

Then they can see the error of their ways in dealing young talented players for scrubs because they weren't "mature" at 20 years old in a city that makes hockey players into rock stars.

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02-21-2012, 08:37 AM
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I have nothing against Gionta as a player. I would just prefer return assets and go in another direction. Him and Gomez are all that remain of Gainey's "free agency rebuild". The sooner the two of them are gone, the quicker we realize it as a failed experiment and that all we have positive on this team is what we've DEVELOPED, STUCK WITH, and DRAFTED.

Then they can see the error of their ways in dealing young talented players for scrubs because they weren't "mature" at 20 years old in a city that makes hockey players into rock stars.
So keep Gionta instaed of rushing young players up at 20 or 21.

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02-21-2012, 08:42 AM
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As per Martin McGuire, teams have been told that Moen is off the market as the Habs want to sign him to a contract.

It may be a bargaining tactic to increase his value.

And he apparently is not skating this week.

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02-21-2012, 08:43 AM
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So keep Gionta instaed of rushing young players up at 20 or 21.
And then wait until he has no value left. Lose him for nothing and continue the cycle of mediocrity? No thanks.

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02-21-2012, 08:52 AM
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Exactly....some fans think we need a rebuild but they have no intentions in sitting back and watching the team lose for the next 5 or 6 seasons while the rebuild happens.....like the Oilers are going through right now.

The Habs need a few upgrades....nothing more!!

They need a top 3 defencemen who is mobile, young, rough, big and can play defence and add some offence.

The 4th line needs to get rid of Darche and other soft players with no size or grit and replace them with strength, muscle, grit and energy.

They need another Erik Cole-like winger, or 2 who work hard and make things happen on the ice when they have the puck.

And most of all....they need to be healthy and in shape when the season starts.
That's a hell of a lot of needs. No problem. Right. Easy peasy.

And you didn't even mention that our worst problem is at center.

I'm sliding toward rebuild, not re tool.

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