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02-19-2012, 05:36 PM
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HOH Top 60 Defensemen List & Voting Record - VanIslander

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Player Rank
1 Bobby Orr
2 Eddie Shore
3 Doug Harvey
4 Ray Bourque
5 Denis Potvin
6 Red Kelly
7 Larry Robinson
8 Slava Fetisov
9 Pierre Pilote
10 Nicklas Lidstrom
11 Brad Park
12 Chris Pronger
13 King Clancy
14 Chris Chelios
15 Al MacInnis
16 Scott Stevens
17 Lionel Conacher
18 Serge Savard
19 Bill Gadsby
20 Paul Coffey
21 Dit Clapper
22 Tim Horton
23 Earl Seibert
24 Brian Leetch
25 Mark Howe
26 Valeri Vasiliev
27 Sprague Cleghorn
28 Rod Langway
29 Borje Salming
30 Jack Stewart
31 J.C. Tremblay
32 Mike Grant
33 Guy Lapointe
34 Jacques Laperriere
35 Scott Niedermayer
36 Marcel Pronovost
37 Harvey Pulford
38 Butch Bouchard
39 Alexei Kasatonov
40 Hod Stuart
41 Bill Quackenbush
42 Larry Murphy
43 Harry Cameron
44 Tom Johnson
45 Vladimir Lutchenko
46 Sylvio Mantha
47 Ebbie Goodfellow
48 Doug Wilson
49 Ken Reardon
50 Moose Johnson
51 Carl Brewer
52 Eddie Gerard
53 Fern Flaman
54 George Boucher
55 Zdeno Chara
56 Harry Howell
57 Reg Noble
58 Babe Siebert
59 Ching Johnson
60 Alexander Ragulin
61 Lester Patrick
62 Rob Blake
63 Art Coulter
64 Joe Hall
65 Red Horner
66 Si Griffis
67 Allan Stanley
68 Bert Corbeau
69 Pat Stapleton
70 Jean-Guy Talbot
71 Sergei Zubov
72 Leo Boivin
73 Jimmy Thomson
74 Vladimir Konstantinov
75 Jan Suchy
76 Cy Wentworth
77 Joe Simpson
78 Babe Pratt
79 Vitaly Davydov
80 Jim Neilson

Players from the Top 60 not to appear on this list
Frantisek Pospisil

Players ranked highest overall on this list
Pierre Pilote (9)
Chris Pronger (12)
Lionel Conacher (17)
Serge Savard (18)
Joe Hall (64)
Si Griffis (66)
Bert Corbeau (68)

Players ranked lowest overall on this list
Nicklas Lidstrom (10)

Players unique to this list
None

Round Rank 1 Rank 2 Rank 3 Rank 4 Rank 5 Rank 6 Rank 7 Rank 8 Rank 9 Rank 10
Round 1 Bobby Orr Eddie Shore Doug Harvey Ray Bourque Red Kelly Denis Potvin Larry Robinson Nicklas Lidstrom Slava Fetisov Chris Chelios
Round 2 Red Kelly Denis Potvin Larry Robinson Slava Fetisov Pierre Pilote Chris Chelios Brad Park King Clancy Al MacInnis Paul Coffey
Round 3 Pierre Pilote Brad Park King Clancy Chris Pronger Scott Stevens Al MacInnis Paul Coffey Sprague Cleghorn Earl Seibert Tim Horton
Round 4 Chris Pronger Scott Stevens Al MacInnis Earl Seibert Tim Horton Bill Gadsby Brian Leetch Valeri Vasiliev Dit Clapper Borje Salming
Round 5 Bill Gadsby Valeri Vasiliev Brian Leetch Borje Salming Dit Clapper Serge Savard Bill Quackenbush Rod Langway Scott Niedermayer Guy Lapointe
Round 6 Lionel Conacher Serge Savard Bill Quackenbush Eddie Gerard Rod Langway Guy Lapointe Mark Howe Scott Niedermayer Jack Stewart Butch Bouchard
Round 7 Lionel Conacher Jack Stewart Butch Bouchard Alexei Kasatonov Guy Lapointe J.C. Tremblay Marcel Pronovost Scott Niedermayer Ebbie Goodfellow Carl Brewer
Round 8 Moose Johnson Hod Stuart Butch Bouchard Alexei Kasatonov Tom Johnson George Boucher J.C. Tremblay Jacques Laperriere Carl Brewer Ebbie Goodfellow
Round 9 Moose Johnson George Boucher Butch Bouchard Tom Johnson Jan Suchy Babe Siebert Ken Reardon Zdeno Chara Ebbie Goodfellow Harry Cameron
Round 10 Lester Patrick George Boucher Jan Suchy Sylvio Mantha Babe Siebert Harry Howell Tom Johnson Allan Stanley Alexander Ragulin Ken Reardon
Round 11 Harvey Pulford Lester Patrick Sylvio Mantha Ken Reardon Harry Howell Fern Flaman Alexander Ragulin Tom Johnson Harry Cameron Allan Stanley
Round 12 Harvey Pulford Sylvio Mantha Mike Grant Harry Howell Fern Flaman Hap Day Vladimir Lutchenko Harry Cameron Alexander Ragulin Pat Stapleton

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I thought I might have had Pronger the highest (14) on my original list, but it turned out VanIslander was also a Pronger fan.

Admin note: I will release two lists/voting records per day.

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VI has always been a big supporter of players from the early pre-NHL days, so I'm a little surprised that he didn't end up having the highest votes for guys like Stuart, Pulford and Grant.

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Reverse alphabetical order? I didn't expect that one.

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I had a good chuckle when VI said tarheel sold him on Lionel Conacher, since I distinctly remembered Vi ranking him very highly when I received his list.

Overpass, you aren't including ties, i guess? Not a big deal. Nobody ranked Shore higher than second.

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02-19-2012, 06:18 PM
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I had a good chuckle when VI said tarheel sold him on Lionel Conacher, since I distinctly remembered Vi ranking him very highly when I received his list.

Overpass, you aren't including ties, i guess? Not a big deal. Nobody ranked Shore higher than second.
No, I excluded ties and only included unique highest/lowest.

So we won't have 22 lists with Bobby Orr (1) under "Players ranked highest overall", for one.

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VI has always been a big supporter of players from the early pre-NHL days, so I'm a little surprised that he didn't end up having the highest votes for guys like Stuart, Pulford and Grant.
I can pretty much guarentee I had the highest vote for Stuart. Maybe Grant, but not likely for Pulford.

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wow some interesting rankings on VI's list.

Especially Pronger & Lidstrom who are pretty much an era by themselves ranked so close.
The difference between Savard and Lapointe is also pretty big in his ranking , and I disagree with this.

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I didn't vote, due to working insane amounts of hours lately on a project at work.

I think the most glaring thing that stands out to me on the defenseman I've watched play the game is Chara.

I would take Chara over Wilson, Murphy, Kasatanov and Langway.

I think Chara is now pushing the top 30, and will finish his career somewhere in the 22-27 range.

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Really surprised at Lidstrom being #10. Would like to hear VanIslander's reasoning for that.

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I can pretty much guarentee I had the highest vote for Stuart. Maybe Grant, but not likely for Pulford.
I was almost dead certain that I had Grant ranked highest of all lists, but we'll see what happens. In hindsight I'd have lowered Grant a bit and bumped up Stuart a great bit.

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Really surprised at Lidstrom being #10. Would like to hear VanIslander's reasoning for that.
I'm waiting patiently for that one too. That's.....yeah to be honest that's borderline inexcusable.

The other one I'm curious about on this list is Lionel Conacher. #17 seems high, but I'm not as entirely dismissive of it as I am with him ranking Lidstrom at 10. I'd be a lot more interested to hear that argument.

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It's not just Lidstrom in 10th that seems strange to me, it's Lidstrom under Pierre Pilote, since one of the main criticisms of Lidstrom (won his Norrises against a weak field) also applies to Pilote.

VI did sort of have a change of heart in Round 2, ranking Lidstrom over Fetisov.

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I didn't vote, due to working insane amounts of hours lately on a project at work.

I think the most glaring thing that stands out to me on the defenseman I've watched play the game is Chara.

I would take Chara over Wilson, Murphy, Kasatanov and Langway.

I think Chara is now pushing the top 30, and will finish his career somewhere in the 22-27 range.
Current players are a bit hard to rate, and it's not like Chara's legacy is over. I know -- I had Chara even lower than this.

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Lidstrom at #10, Pronger just behind him at #12 and before Chelios.

I really want to hear the reasoning. Because imho Lidstrom is easily better than Pronger. And Chelios was everything that healthy Pronger should have been.

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I'm waiting patiently for that one too. That's.....yeah to be honest that's borderline inexcusable.

The other one I'm curious about on this list is Lionel Conacher. #17 seems high, but I'm not as entirely dismissive of it as I am with him ranking Lidstrom at 10. I'd be a lot more interested to hear that argument.
Conacher didn't get into the Hall of Fame until 1994. Was there some other reason (other than not good enough) that it took so long for him to make it?

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Conacher didn't get into the Hall of Fame until 1994. Was there some other reason (other than not good enough) that it took so long for him to make it?
I've wondered this myself. He'd probably be on the 40s on my list, but I'm at least willing to hear why VanI put him at 17, whereas I don't see a justification for Lidstrom at 10 so I really don't even know what I'd be waiting to hear in that discussion.

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I've wondered this myself. He'd probably be on the 40s on my list, but I'm at least willing to hear why VanI put him at 17, whereas I don't see a justification for Lidstrom at 10 so I really don't even know what I'd be waiting to hear in that discussion.
It is probably because he played other sports too, which made him a better hockey player.

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