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02-21-2012, 10:39 PM
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Lets Fix the Powerplay

Year in year out this teams PP is sketchy at best. I use to think it was Perry Pearn, then that we just didn't have the right guy on the point. None of that seems to matter.

How is it they actually look bad with the man advantage? Is that psychological?

In this day of the NHL it seems clear to me that one must SHOOT QUICK to avoid the endless blocked shots. So many PP highlights every night on NHLNETWORK are onetimers off the pass or rebound. Why don't they just preach the onetimer mentality instead of the classic cycle, look, cycle, look. It doesn't work anymore.


How would you fix the PP?

Can't they bring in a PP specialist to coach this PP? Just one guy whose whole gig is to fix this PP?

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Run a overload/umbrella mix. They need to move around and get open for passes. They would be a lot better with some more movement to pull the D out of position and make openings for backdoor and one timer passes

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it's all about the entry.

When the Rangers enter the zone cleanly and have time to set up, they make some damn good plays happen. But when their PP is failing miserably, they just don't enter the zone at all, and can't recover pucks on the dump in.

They need to work on their offensive zone entry.

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02-21-2012, 11:01 PM
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To be honest, I think a lot of it is psychological. Take last Saturday in Philly, their PP couldn't be stopped. The key is entry like Inferno said and they gotta keep cycling and moving around once in the zone. Standing still and passing back and forth does nothing. The only way to catch players out of position is by moving around and making quick passes to open up lanes.

Doesn't help when they're at MSG and a million people are yelling shoot the minute they enter the zone.

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02-21-2012, 11:05 PM
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To be honest, I think a lot of it is psychological. Take last Saturday in Philly, their PP couldn't be stopped. The key is entry like Inferno said and they gotta keep cycling and moving around once in the zone. Standing still and passing back and forth does nothing. The only way to catch players out of position is by moving around and making quick passes to open up lanes.

Doesn't help when they're at MSG and a million people are yelling shoot the minute they enter the zone.
Holy S***...this.....I really wish I could move Joe Tolleson out of the way and tell everyone to shut the hell up. This proves that all those shouting (most of the time ) really have no clue whats going on...especially those that think they do.

edit: sorry kinda got off topic there...

also, shooting & and hitting the net from below the line would also help. The rangers seem to score SO well off rebound but the puck either is blocked and never makes it there or it sails over the top of the net.

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02-21-2012, 11:13 PM
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Somehow, the Rangers seem to think that having a guy like Gaborik or Richards holding the puck will unsettle the opposition.
What unsettles the opposition is rotating positions, maybe keeping one good defensive presence (fast skater) on the blueline constantly. Get somebody crossing laterally through the slot. If you can get a puck on his stick or for a tip, great. If not, you have still screwed up their well-laid plans.
I don't understand why the Rangers PP does not play a little more pond hockey on the PP. Don't tell me they would be worse, as long as they keep a smart defensive guy back. Surely they are capable of some creativity.


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I just want them to MOVE around. They just stand there. One guy is in the middle the rest surrounding him. Gaborik should be set up more and Callahan should be in front directing shots from the point. Callahan has a NHL 4th best 11 PPG.

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it's all about the entry.

When the Rangers enter the zone cleanly and have time to set up, they make some damn good plays happen. But when their PP is failing miserably, they just don't enter the zone at all, and can't recover pucks on the dump in.

They need to work on their offensive zone entry.
Ding ding ding. I've been saying this all year. If we could gain the zone consistently, we would have a perfectly adequate PP, IMO.

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Winning the opening face-off might help too. We lost 30 seconds due to them winning the draw and sending it down, then usually fail to even get set up afterwards.

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To be honest, I think a lot of it is psychological. Take last Saturday in Philly, their PP couldn't be stopped. The key is entry like Inferno said and they gotta keep cycling and moving around once in the zone. Standing still and passing back and forth does nothing. The only way to catch players out of position is by moving around and making quick passes to open up lanes.

Doesn't help when they're at MSG and a million people are yelling shoot the minute they enter the zone.
So true. It's absolutely unbelievable where the players are when people yell this. They could be behind the net, you will hear it, and the half boards with somebody right in the shooting lane.

Then when they make a nice passing play, open a lane and score the same idiot always goes "See, I said to shoot!"

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So true. It's absolutely unbelievable where the players are when people yell this. They could be behind the net, you will hear it, and the half boards with somebody right in the shooting lane.

Then when they make a nice passing play, open a lane and score the same idiot always goes "See, I said to shoot!"
Just speaking as an outsider who has attended a few NHL games, do shouts from the stands have anything to do with what the players do on the ice? I spoke to a perrenial NHL all-star about this years ago and he basically said that he didn't even hear any of it. His ears opened up to the noise when the time was right (like when the play was whistled down or they scored), when concentrating on play, he heard nothing but what was at ice level. Maybe he was just good at focussing, but I really do not think these professionals even let stuff like that register.

People yelling 'shoot' from the crowd are irrelevant, or at least I would hope that that is the case.

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02-21-2012, 11:42 PM
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Just speaking as an outsider who has attended a few NHL games, do shouts from the stands have anything to do with what the players do on the ice? I spoke to a perrenial NHL all-star about this years ago and he basically said that he didn't even hear any of it. His ears opened up to the noise when the time was right (like when the play was whistled down or they scored), when concentrating on play, he heard nothing but what was at ice level. Maybe he was just good at focussing, but I really do not think these professionals even let stuff like that register.

People yelling 'shoot' from the crowd are irrelevant, or at least I would hope that that is the case.
I agree with you, doubt the players hear it/pay attention to it. Someone else said it and it just sparked one of my pet peeves. But at the end of the day it can't help.

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So true. It's absolutely unbelievable where the players are when people yell this. They could be behind the net, you will hear it, and the half boards with somebody right in the shooting lane.

Then when they make a nice passing play, open a lane and score the same idiot always goes "See, I said to shoot!"
I started mocking the people doing it. When our team goes and retrieves the puck after it gets cleared me and my friends yell "SHOOT". Same for anything like a draw outside the zone on the PP or anything like that. It's pretty funny

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If anybody in that picture is helping the PP, its Crosby.

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As has already been stated here, it's all about the offensive zone entry, and player movement and cycling. We actually have some pretty good passers and puck movement on the PP, but when you need to thread the needle every single pass because people aren't moving around, it becomes very difficult to string together enough passes to find the shooter. That's why we move the puck on the perimeter so much, people aren't moving. I'm sure Torts has tried to remedy this, why else would he put guys like Boyle or Prust out there if not to serve as a wakeup call for the normal PP guys to move their feet...

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They look the best when they get into the lanes. You're basically playing against a zone D. Treat it just like basketball! Have a guy skate hard at an open lane and watch the D collapse. Have other guys crash the net and the shots will be there.

This is exactly what they did in that good stretch with the PP where Callahan was scoring a ton.

Problem now is that they are just passing around the perimeter waiting for an open shot. Go back to the basketball analogy: Passing around looking for the open 20 ft jumper = not as effective and the open lay-up you can create with the right motion.

Just my humble opinion.

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Run a overload/umbrella mix. They need to move around and get open for passes. They would be a lot better with some more movement to pull the D out of position and make openings for backdoor and one timer passes
Thats all they do is move around and try n get open.By doing that they dont shoot the puck.NYR is just refusing to shoot into traffic as well,forever trying to find the open man. That perfect pass more often than not is never there,so just shoot the ****ing puck

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If anybody in that picture is helping the PP, its Crosby.
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Nobody on this team can one-time the puck.

I don't play hockey, but it can't be that hard for the pros, right?

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Like the Flyers always have bad goaltending, we will always have a bad powerplay.

New coaches, PP coaches, players, etc.. it never changes.

We used to have Jaromir ****ing Jagr back there and the PP still struggled.

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